My Trip To KDR After A 21-Month Ordeal (LONG)
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Racelogic Traction Control
Originally posted by JConn2299
"I also can say that the traction control feature I added to my car saved me for those next 50 miles of hell."
Traction control? That's a new one on me. Can you supply any details of the system you added to your car?
"I also can say that the traction control feature I added to my car saved me for those next 50 miles of hell."
Traction control? That's a new one on me. Can you supply any details of the system you added to your car?
RACELOGIC TRACTION CONTROL
Racelogic Traction Control is universally recognized as the best after market system available, as it not only dramatically reduces the chances of an accident, but it also positively enhances acceleration. This is why companies like Aston Martin and Lotus Cars choose to fit the system, as unlike any other system, it always improves the performance of the vehicle. After fitting the system, the car becomes more fun to drive than before, giving the driver new levels of confidence in pushing the car to it's limits without ever overstepping the mark.
Once you have driven a powerful car with Racelogic Traction Control, you will never want to be without it. We are so sure that we offer a 30 day money back guarantee if you don't agree. Acceleration out of junctions becomes rapid and repeatable. Just bury the throttle and the system does the rest, constantly adjusting the power of the engine every thousandth of a second, searching for maximum grip. In a rear wheel drive car you can use full throttle around a corner with full confidence that the rear end isn't going to suddenly break away. In a front wheel drive vehicle push-on understeer is cured, with the system setting the correct level of power to finely balance the vehicle.
In wet and slippery conditions the system really becomes fun and usable; stomp on the gas and watch other cars disappear behind you as the car accelerates as fast as the grip allows without skidding all over the road. Acceleration away from traffic lights is so much quicker than cars without the system, that you'll leave behind plenty of drivers with faster cars.
If your powerful front wheel drive car is prone to wheelspin or powerful understeer, then the Traction Control system will give a good benefit. The throttle can be buried coming out of tight hairpins, and the system modulates the power extremely quickly to provide maximum acceleration without wasteful wheelspin. As you turn into a corner, the throttle again can be buried, and instead of drifting wide of the apex as the front wheels scrabble for grip, the car will power through the corner at the maximum speed without understeering. This will reduce tire wear quite considerably, and improve performance.
How does the Racelogic system work?
The system works by monitoring the speed of all four wheels using the ABS system or specially fitted wheel speed sensors. When wheelspin is detected, the engine power is reduced until grip is resumed. This occurs in a thousandth of a second, and appears to the driver as a slight misfire with no loss in acceleration.
Will it fit my car ?
The easiest car to fit Racelogic Traction Control is an electronically fuel injected car with ABS. If the car does not have ABS, then special wheel speed sensors have to be fitted. If the car is not electronically fuel injected, then the system requires an MSD or spark-cut interface unit.
FAQ’s
Question:- I have driven some modern cars with factory fitted Traction Control systems and they slow the car down quite significantly impairing performance. I am concerned that the Racelogic system might do the same.
Answer:- The Racelogic system is unlike any other Traction Control system available in that it always enhances performance. Manufacturer's systems have to work in all conditions without any input from the driver, therefore you are effectively driving around with very safe snow & ice settings on your system at all times. In making the system in-cockpit adjustable, we believe the customer has enough intelligence to set the system to whatever condition prevails, therefore maximizing the performance of the car.
Question:- I am concerned that the system cuts fuel, and I have a highly modified turbo engine, which if it runs lean will cause instant damage. How safe is the Racelogic system on these types of engine?
Answer:- The Racelogic system works on individual injectors, and is designed only to cut out one whole injection pulse. The amount of fuel is not just decreased, it is completely removed for one stroke. This means the engine either receives a 100% complete amount of fuel or none at all. If it receives none at all, the spark has no effect, the mixture will not ignite, and therefore the temperature does not go up. We have successfully fitted the system to Formula One engines, 750 BHP Turbo Engines (in our own Supra), motorbike engines and kart engines.
Question:- Doesn't cutting the fuel affect the catalytic converter or the lambda sensor ?
Answer:- We have carried out many tests on dynos with various manufacturer's and on the road with thermocouple probes before and after the catalytic converter, and we could not measure a significant rise in cat temperature when Traction Control was operating. Almost all traction control situations are on full throttle, and generally the ECU does not read the lambda sensors on full throttle. If a sustained traction control event occurs on part throttle (i.e. ice), then the lambda sensor will start to richen up the mixture on the firing injectors, which combined with the excess air from the unfired cylinders, may cause a rise in cat temperature. It is worth being aware of this, and we suggest backing off the throttle after about 30 seconds of sustained misfire on ice or snow.
Question:- I am thinking of fitting an LSD, will Traction control still be of benefit, and will it stop the LSD from working ?
Answer:- Our system is designed to allow a small amount of wheelspin because that is the fastest way to accelerate. The same is true for ABS, it allows a small amount of wheel slip to get the most braking force. Therefore, it works after the LSD has come into play, and not before. The Traction Control system will not increase mechanical grip, only LSD's and tires will do this. However, what it does it maximize the grip you already have. Therefore the ideal combination would be an LSD and Traction Control, because once both wheels are spinning, the LSD is of no further use, and the Traction Control comes into play. In acceleration times, an LSD will give about the same improvement as Traction Control, but will make the car more “nervous,” as when both wheels spin, the loss in grip is double that of when one tire loses grip.
What options are available for the system?
Cockpit adjuster:
To set the traction control up for varying conditions a 6 position cockpit adjuster is supplied. It has the following settings; wet, dry, 10% slip, 15% slip, 20% slip, off. These settings then allow the system to work in the most advantageous way in any condition. This adjuster will also allow controlled wheelspin by setting it to 10%-20%. In a rear wheel drive car, this allows a controlled powerslide that never develops into loss of control. Dimensions; 2.5” wide; 2” high; 1” deep.
Launch control:
Launch control is a function within the Traction Control system designed to automate standing starts to maximize the initial acceleration. It is activated by pressing a button on the dashboard when the car is stationary. This will bring in a secondary rev-limit, for example 4000 rpm, which removes itself automatically when the rear wheels are within a set percentage slip of the front wheels. The throttle can be fully depressed without over-revving the engine. The car is put into gear, the throttle floored, and then the clutch is engaged, whilst the launch control system controls the wheelspin and revs for the perfect start. The launch control rev limit can be programmed via a laptop computer or by a combination of presses on the launch control button. This is done by pressing it once, and then once again but this time holding it in and raising the revs to the desired level, then the button is released, setting the new rev limit to this level. This makes it very easy to re-program the launching revs just before a start if conditions suddenly change. There are various parameters you can tune if you want to get the last little bit of acceleration out of the system; you can have two switchable levels for wet and dry and the level of wheelspin at which the system swaps from launch control to traction control can be adjusted.
Full throttle gearshift:
The full throttle gearshift system is activated by either a hydraulic or mechanical switch fitted to the clutch pedal. Once the clutch is depressed, the system automatically drops the engine revs down by using a momentary rev-limit, allowing the next gear to be selected without lifting off the throttle. Because the throttle is always fully depressed, the engine is instantly back on full power, and on a turbo car the turbo is still producing boost. Tests have shown up to 0.1 seconds can be gained per gear change.
When you’re shifting gears, you can just keep your foot planted on the gas. The second you push in the clutch to shift, the Traction Control system will set a certain rev limiter(you can change it in the computer software). As you let the clutch out again, the Traction Control system will work at controlling any traction issues.
Data logging:
Data logging is for the serious racer. It allows you to record all wheel speeds engine rpm over the period of time the Traction Control system was active. The system will retain all the info even if the box is switched off. Basically, you can plot where the Traction Control system comes on, how much boost you’re running at the time, etc. This will help you change the parameters in the software(change the rev limiters, etc) to get the best results.
Gear shift light:
The gear shift light is a visual aid to tell the driver the best point to change gears to obtain maximum performance.
30 day money back guarantee:
If you are in any way unhappy with the system within 30days of original purchase, then we will refund your money with no questions asked. We also give a full warranty on the system for two years from the date of purchase.
Below are a few threads containing customer testimonials about Racelogic:
http://www.supraforums.com/showthrea...threadid=12114
http://www.supraforums.com/showthrea...ight=racelogic
http://www.supraforums.com/showthrea...ight=racelogic
Here is pricing as well;
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ ABS; (Max 12cyl)
$995
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ (Wheel Speed)WSS; (Max 12cyl)
$995
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ Launch Control & ABS; (6cyl) $1150
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ Launch Control & WSS; (6cyl)
$1150
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ Launch Control & ABS; (8cyl) $1300
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ Launch Control & WSS; (8cyl)
$1300
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ LC, Data Logging & ABS; (8cyl)
$1595
Racelogic Adjustable TC w/ LC, Data Logging & WSS; (8cyl)
$1595
Full Throttle Shift
$175
As always, let me know if there are any questions. We'd be happy to help.
Best regards,
Jeremy
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I know the feeling. I drove to KDR a few weeks ago on Dec 7th and there was snow all over the side streets. I missed the turn and got stuck with my 285/30/18 S-03's on a side street. Took me 5 mins to pull away from a stop sign. Anyone see my car up there? Its a Black FD with White TE-37's on it. Its getting a GT 35/40 single and a load of other mods installed.
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