SpeedKing

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That don't do **** if the hearing aid isn't turned on.

the ancient words

honestly I have bumped people who were drifting into my lane, and it gets their attention real quick...NEVER let any clown "force" you off the road, that is suicide....you push right back....granted this was when I owned a '65 El Camino that had already been bashed in from every angle (none of which were my fault, two of the incidents were drunk drivers)

it's free-for-all out there....run them over before they run over you....or simply out-run them altogether

jimlab

It does a lot more than trying to move away from the other car and hoping they sense you with ESP before hitting you...

Toadman

I'm gonna Monday-morning quarterback here. Was the old lady parallel to her when she merged over? Was ait a jerk lane change or a slow merge? Fender to 1/4 panel? Was her blinker on? There's variables and road conditions we don't know about and the reason I ask(and the point is moot) is the FD has some incredible brakes and ABS.

BATMAN

It's interesting to see that when Ancient words comments on women's driving skills and when Jimlab agrees with parts of that, people will disagree with Ancient and not Jimlab for the most part.

I think too many people are rolling their subjective dices more often than not.

Just an observation.

Riccardo

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I am really sorry to read about your car, but I think you have your priorities right in your life, and thank god your Girlfriend escaped the worst!
I must say I am a bit annoyed of what I have read on this forum about the driving abilities of your girlfriend etc etc
Grow up guys
THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE AT ANY TIME WHETHER THEY ARE SCHUMAXER OR AN AVERAGE DAILY DRIVER

spoolin93r1

procrastination owns me. she did tell me she tried to hit the horn first

Ben93RX7

Sorry to hear about your car... Manny told me about it, never got to see it in person, but the pics were AWESOME.

I love how people bash on female drivers, but from the actuarial point of view (what I do for a living), females are less likely to be in a serious accident PERIOD. There is tons of data to prove it. Why else do you think that their insurance rates are lower, it is cause it is a statistical FACT. It's not just cause "They are a girl." It is because they tend to naturally drive more defensively than male drivers.

Spoolin, glad to hear your g/f is ok. I am sure I will see you around if you hang out with the Indy RX7 club (just look for me in the blue Buick Regal).

jimlab

No, it's because they tend to drive less aggressively than male drivers. That's not necessarily the same thing as driving defensively.

There's a big difference between driving defensively and just moving along with the rest of the sheep, oblivious to what they're doing because your mind is on something else. Most of the time, that works out just fine. Occasionally it comes back to bite you, and then you hear phrases like "there was nothing I could do" or "they came out of nowhere".

Like I said, many women (and a lot of men, for that matter) think that they're good drivers because they don't get tickets and haven't had any accidents. Not getting tickets can be attributed to not speeding, or just not being caught doing it, but no tickets doesn't necessarily make you a good or defensive driver. Not getting into accidents doesn't necessarily make you a good driver either. All it takes is someone else looking out for you on the road and many potential accidents are avoided.

Most of the time, the erratic drivers I see are women, distracted by something they're doing while driving. Often they don't use turn signals, change their minds on making turns or changing lanes last minute, or other mistakes that a driver with their mind on the task of driving would not make.

A defensive driver, on the other hand, is always checking their mirrors, always looking ahead and identifying potentially dangerous situations, aware of the cars around them, and maintains a significant margin of free space around their car whenever possible. I don't know many women who fall into that category. Not that many men, either.

adam c

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While it is true that female drivers are statistically in less accidents, it is not because they drive more defensively than males. They are certainly not more carefull drivers either. How often do you see a guy doing something else while driving. Women are often putting on make up, lipstick etc. Nearly every time I pass a young woman in a car, she is yacking on a cell phone. The % of men doing this is far less.

The reason that men are in more accidents, is that they generally drive faster than women. This doesn't just mean that men drive down the freeway at higher speeds. The problem is that men screw around in cars more than women. They push the limits of the car far more often, and often exceed the limits of their car, and/or driving ability.

Men are generally better at handling cars under performance and emergency situations because they push the limits more than women. In addition, men are stronger, and have better reactions. Just take a look at professional race drivers. When was the last time any woman won a professional road race, Nascar, or Grand Prix? I don't know the answer. I would bet that less than 2% of these drivers are women. Why?? It is simple. Men are better race drivers....... period.

Flame suit on

DamonB

This has bothered me since I first read it. My impression when I read this is she completely lost control of the car. Some old lady forced her into a guardrail; fine. But to hit the rail and then cross 2 lanes of traffic, a median and then hit a guardrail on the opposite side of the road in oncoming traffic you must do something dumb.

We drive on the right in the USA so if my understanding of the accident is correct she was in the right lane and the old lady was to her left. Old lady comes over and forces FD off the road and FD strikes the guard rail on the passenger side. FD then comes off guard rail, flies to the left while crossing both lanes of traffic and then crosses the median and heads into oncoming traffic before striking another guardrail nearly head on. Even after hitting the first guardrail the FD still continues at a high rate of speed.

Why wasn't the accident just "Old lady comes over, FD hits guardrail, FD slows while grinding against guardrail until there's room to move over to the left slightly and then stops"? The tires don't appear flat and the right side suspension is just fine so the guardrail caused no loss of control at the initial impact.

IMO the damage to the car and the description of the accident don't fit together. The damage to the hood and front does not appear to be from hitting a guard rail, it's from running under something like the bumper of another car. The way the hood is buckled and the driver side fender destroyed the FD ran under something with the left half of the car. The bumper is for the most part in one piece and if the car went head on into a rail it would look very different. This car ran under something and it doesn't appear to have been a second guard rail as those by law are set at a particular height. Notice how low the marks from the first guard rail on the passenger side of the car are. If the car then went head on into another rail the damage would be focused lower and more on the front end as opposed to the upper surfaces. The other impact was at about headlight level on the driver's corner as the damage shows. It appears to have happened at night because the headlights are up but I don't think it was raining as the car isn't dirty. Brakes should have been working just fine in that case.

I think someone flat did something stupid and lost control of this car and wrecked it badly.

What the pics suggest to me is the car was traveling in a straight line at a high rate of speed and swerved to the right in order to miss another car (or something big) directly in front. It did not miss this car but took a heavy impact on the left side before then continuing to the right and striking the guardrail on the passenger side. The pics suggest the first impact was the front as it's the most heavily damaged. I'm no accident investigator but I think the original story doesn't add up as I understand it.

My apologies for coming off harsh but that's what I see from the pics.

DamonB

No, the real reason men have more accidents than women is that men average more miles than women. Since men are in the car more often men wreck more often.

Teenage boys and younger male drivers is a different story. Generally they are overly aggressive and do stupid things. Once into adulthood though the male accident rate compares about the same with woman when accidents per mile driven are computed.

sonix7

must be one of the fans up in Detroit last week that brawled. dude have some compassion. drive defensively not ******* crazy. I am also not here too defend "most" women drivers. god knows my girl can't drive worth ****, but many can. my point is how would you like it if your girl died driving a car? there isn't any amount of money or any car that I would trade the love and companionship of my girl for. guess it says alot about the person if you can't see it was an accident - meaning not on purpose. a lot of people are f-ing nuts and cause **** to happen all the time. never should a human have to pay for that with their life. no matter what their driving exp. level is. that's why this world is going to ****. care about something other than yourselves. glad to see everyone is ok to live life. stay up.

spoolingrl

Ok, I would like to clear some things up. I thought about just leaving you people to think whatever you want to think, because it's likely you will anyway, but I can't keep reading this garbage.

First off, yes, I am sure there is *something* that I could have done to prevent this. I just don't know what. The interstate that I was traveling has very limited space to the right side. I'd say about 3 feet from the line to the guard rail, not enough to fit an entire car in...And I thought when i moved over some that this person would have looked and noticed a car there, but NO, the blind *** just jerked right over completely into my lane without so much as a glance, a turn signal, NOTHING. I thought as soon as it hit, i let off the gas and went to hit the brakes, but the wheel caught on the part of the road between the pavement and the guard rail (i'd say about a 1 1/2" to 2" drop from the pavement to the gravel jerking the car back the other direction and from then, i remember nothing until the time i hit the other guard rail. From where the car sits so low, the car actually went under the guard rail. If you drive past the site where it happened, you can tell how the guard rail is bent upward where the car went under it rather than dead into it or over it for that matter....do I need to go take pictures of this, or do you guys actually understand?

I know half of you guys probably don't give two ***** about what happened to me, the car, or what caused it to happen, but good god there is no need for over analyzing. I loved this car just as much as Eric did, and I fully believe that if he didn't have the confidence in my abilities to let me drive it, that he wouldn't have. He's seen me in the car, been with me driving the car, been with me reaming on the car and getting it all kinds of sideways that he knows I am fully capable of handling it in a given situation if it were to get nasty on me. I wouldn't drive the car if I didn't have the confidence in myself to handle it and not screw it up. It wasn't my property, nor did I pay for most of the stuff done to it. It wasn't mine to destroy, and there aren't words to describe how terrible I feel for the whole situation.

Granted there probably was *something* like i said before, that I could have done to prevent this...I didn't. And I still don't know what I could have done. Maybe slam the brakes and let the person riding the tail end of the car hit me...or speed up and let her ram me anyway. Maybe I should have let the woman hit me. At the time though, I was thinking that if i moved over some...since there was no horn to hit, and if she couldn't hear the loud *** car she likely wouldn't have heard a horn either...but I thought that she would have looked over, at least in time to see me...but she didn't, and the guard rail was just too close. Maybe this is the reason people aren't supposed to pass on the right. Maybe I shouldn't have been doing that....but the point here is, it happened. It's over. There is not one thing I can do to change what happened no matter how much I want to. I can't even begin to tell you people how this made me feel, and still affects me. But it isn't like you'd understand anyway.

So keep overanalyzing...make up your own stories and believe what you want to believe. But when it all comes down to it, I know in my heart what happened and I would never, ever do anything to compromise the trust between Eric and I, even to save my *** about his car. I know that, and he knows that. And we are fine. So you guys just keep believing whatever, and go on about your lives and tell yourselves whatever it takes to make it easier for you to sleep at night.

Kento

I avoided reading this thread because I hate seeing totaled FDs, and to tell you the truth, unless you're trying to get opinions on whether the car is salvageable, I don't see the point. While I'm glad that your girlfriend is OK and sad to see your car, unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with Damon here. I cannot see how a car forcing you into a guardrail can suddenly cause you to go across two lanes of traffic, over a median, over two more, and head-on into the guardrail on the opposite side, unless you were-- as Damon pointed out-- traveling at a very high rate of speed. Otherwise, the usual reaction when someone is moving over on you is to hit the brakes and slow down, regardless of whether a semi is right behind you or not. Then the result would've been just some scrape damage to the right side, not a complete destruction of the car.

Kento

Sorry, we're not "overanalyzing"; all I'm doing is reading what was posted, including your long defensive reply, and it just doesn't add up, that's all.

spoolingrl

thats fine. belive what you want, just like I said. But I know the truth, whether it adds up in anyones elses head or not.

cloud9

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jesus christ people leave the girl alone, just be glad everyone is ok, **** the car, he already said he's going to build another one....

1QWIK7

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isnt that overanalyzing then?

i mean since none of us were there, all we can do is assume what was "supposed" to happen with the info she provided..

why should we say otherwise? she told us what happened, gracefully, she coulda been dead (thank god she wasnt)..

why would she even make something up or alter it to favor her side. there is no point to that, the car is already gone and she walked out ok..

story seems legit to me

rex u.k

That is due to the fact that mr Labreck is never wrong,don't you know that?

cloud9

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and
I disagree, a car moving at 70MPH has alot of inertia, **** happens, just my opinion though

rex u.k

Sounds like falling asleep at the wheel syndrome to me.I'm not saying this is what happened but from the description given it seems this would only happen if you fell asleep on the job, i mean at the wheel.RIP.

jimlab

Was that a turnip truck that just went by? It sort of looked like you fell off the back...

Whitewidebodyrx7

dude man that sux hardcore

Kento

Nope. If I was working on your car that was running fine before, then suddenly it was running like crap, wouldn't you quickly come to the conclusion (or at the least the idea) that it was my fault? Or would you call that overanalysis?

Because this was all posted on a public forum. That's why I question the wisdom of the original post.