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Old 10-14-09 | 09:45 PM
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my first brew rebuild

so, first off, this engine is not mine, but i have been left in charge of the engine to get it ready to be dropped in my friends FD. the car is located in GA, because thats where hes from, but we picked up this engine locally.

originally this engine was supposed to just be rebuilt and kinda prettied up and have all the emissions devices so we can take his current engine out, drop this in, pass smog, then drop the other back in.................buuuuuuuuuuuuut, being us, stock is just not acceptable.

a little bit of back story about this engine.
he had been looking around for an engine that was stock, either running or not, that we could use as an emissions legal engine. He picked up the engine for 500$ including an auto tranny and all that. we got rid of the flex plate, he gave me the counterweight for my fc, got rid of anything that wasnt going to be used.
we got around to pulling the spark plugs, and realized they were normal autolite plugs............welllllllll, go ******* figure, thats probably why it wouldn't crank over. luckily enough, the spark plugs were not long enough to cause interference.

we started pulling the engine apart, taking the rear iron off, seeing the rear main seal almost looked new, pulled the rear iron off, took the rotor out.............the apex seal had broken in two, one of the side seals was broken in 3, and it took us 3 hours to get another of the sideseals out. i had to take a metal scraper, grind it to a point, then get up under the seal, breaking it into about 15 pieces.....****
we got a little ahead of ourselves and put everything back together so we could take the front bolt out. i used my snapon mt725, that sucker puts some serious nut busting torque. after heating it with an oxy/acetyln torch, we used my gun......nothing.
ok, so we put my breaker bar on it.....nothing
long story short, and 4 hours later, we got a breaker bar, 3 feet of pipe, and my 3 foot pry bar, plus my 280lbs of texan, it broke loose. we were so sure that we broken something, we both looked at each other in horror, i nudged the breaker bar a little then realized the front bolt broke loose, finally.
THE ******* IDIOT WHO REBUILT THE ENGINE PREVIOUSLY USED RTV ON THE FRONT BOLT..............................................i have no ******* clue why.

so, we start tearing it apart, it all was gravy after that. well, us being us and joking around, we said "hey, why dont we just port this mother and have fun with it, i know a smog tech who will pass it." well, that was it, and that was the plan of attack after that.
furthermore, after looking at all the pretty engines and me showing him my powdercoating that ive done, he then tells me its getting coated. thats cool, thats money in my pocket.

so, master plan for this engine is now as follows
medium street port- pineapple racing
medium exhaust port- pineapple racing port ep3a
master rebuild kit, super seal apex seals, oem main and rotor bearing
custom powdercoating done by me

im pretty sure that hes going to upgrade the fuel lines and all that, i dont know, i havent seen his car seeing as its on the other side of the country.

now that thats all said and done, here are the pictures, in the order taken. i will have some brief commentary as the pictures progress. and trust me, i like pictures, and i know you rx7 picture ******. sorry, i dont have any pictures of the tear down, we were both ******* coated and i dont like touching things with my disgusting hands, specially not my camera

starting with the irons being ported







and hers stuff just stacked, we were just putting them there as we went
Old 10-14-09 | 09:49 PM
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the next couple of pictures are the whole arranement of my s5 engine and just a whole shitload of stuff






this one is him (the owner of the engine and fd) have fun porting


the tools we used
mac tools porting kit
mac tools porting bits (these little bastards are ******* expensive)
harbor freight 1/4" and 1/8" collet stones

Old 10-14-09 | 09:53 PM
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thats all the pictures of the ports, the next couple of pictures are the plates and housings taped up for media blasting.
for the media, i used 80 grit number 4 glass bead. it turned out quite well.
little tip if blasing, mask off everything, and take apart the gear in the front plate for the MOP.
after you blast them, soak them in chemdip and clean them with a tooth brush (im just **** enough to do that) just to make sure all the media and all the shavings from porting are cleaned out, dont want that **** to end up in the oil and getting shot into the engine






i like to use masking tape, then follow along the contours of the plates with a long scraper blade, just to get rid of the tape so the media doesnt stick to it
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here are all the housings after blasting, chemdip and cleaning, prepped for powdercoating




now, since i do my own powdercoating, i like to get all my powder from columbiacoatings.com
they have superior powder and i have had great luck with it. even though im using a shitty craftsman powder gun, it all turned out pretty good, cept for a few things that i sorta fucked up, but its all been fixed since the pictures
the housings are being powdercoated with a Candy Blue Translucent powder, it has to have either a silver or chrome basecoat, i decided on the chrome because i have seen it used as a base, and its fappable to say the least
these pictures just show the chrome in powder form





baked them at around 380 for exactly 16 minutes as per instructions from CC.com
put them in, then waited, in the meantime, beer break

shameless plug, i love bluemoon, i just didnt have any pyrimids hefeweizen.
Old 10-14-09 | 10:02 PM
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now, prep yourselves, if you feel the need to fap, i understand, i sorta did to.









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ok, i kinda ran out of room on my camera, so i dont have complete pictures of everything, but i will take them tomorrow when i do the irons the hyper mirror wet black

here is the candy blue on the chrome
powder form before baking



at this stage, i was very hesitant. i have never used a candy powder, just normal colors.
boy was i surprised when i pulled them out of the oven






this is where i ran out of room on my camera, right after i put the front plate in the oven. oh well, ill finish taking pictures, but my friend is VERY happy to say the least, hes stoked and im pleased the way everything came out.

now, i realize that i should have masked off the bolts and such, but i dont care seeing as i have a tap and die set, being a technician and all allows me to do pretty much whatever i want.
the rest will be posted shortly, this whole thing so far has taken us about 6 total days of work, just the housings and front plate took me 6 hours of work today, not including the blasting and previous prep work.
i have never done this level of work, but no i realize why rebuilds and custom engine work is expensive and takes as long as it does. my hats off to all the engine builders out there, i enjoy doing this whole process and learning and experiencing and expanding my knowledge and getting to do some seriously cool ****

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Old 10-14-09 | 11:28 PM
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looks like fun!
Old 10-15-09 | 12:31 AM
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I bet you would feel so proud about your self when its all done.
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I kinda like the chrome by itself. Too bad once you put the motor into the car, you can't see much of the motor.
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I kinda like the chrome by itself. Too bad once you put the motor into the car, you can't see much of the motor.
You could if you go na with i.t.b
J/K
Old 10-15-09 | 03:12 AM
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well, thats actually what im doing with my 90 fc. its a full drift car, so im going nuts with it.

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Old 10-15-09 | 06:03 AM
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so what did you bake the housings in? I'm just curious.
Old 10-15-09 | 10:58 AM
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medium exhaust port- pineapple racing port ep3a
that is not a "medium" exhaust port IMO. I have it on my engine. It ports the exhaust significantly below the sleeve. It definitely affected the amount of overlap. I had my exhaust ports matched to the sleeve before, then I bought the EP3A template which ported it down significantly. Even with brand new seals etc the engine made significantly less vacuum. It pulls about 12" now, but my intake porting is pretty aggressive. It makes idle trickier to tune among other things. If you are concerned about emissions testing I'm not sure if it's a good idea. But maybe with that level of intake porting it won't be too bad.
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That blue came out sexy!
Old 10-15-09 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by arghx
that is not a "medium" exhaust port IMO. I have it on my engine. It ports the exhaust significantly below the sleeve. It definitely affected the amount of overlap. I had my exhaust ports matched to the sleeve before, then I bought the EP3A template which ported it down significantly. Even with brand new seals etc the engine made significantly less vacuum. It pulls about 12" now, but my intake porting is pretty aggressive. It makes idle trickier to tune among other things. If you are concerned about emissions testing I'm not sure if it's a good idea. But maybe with that level of intake porting it won't be too bad.
like i said, we were originally going for emissions, we decided **** it and just have fun with the engine. if we can get a few shitty irons and housings, were going to try practicing a full bridge port, then doing it on an actually good engine.
we ported the intake and exhaust, we are also going to port match the intake manifolds, and we were going to port the oil galley on the rear iron, but decided to just move forward with the build and that its not that big of a deal.

btw, i used my house oven for the baking. dont even start giving me the "you cant do that" crap, i have done it countless times, there is just a procedure for making sure all is ok after the baking. obviously dont cook anything when youre baking parts, but as long as it gets cleaned out, who cares. also, if youre not using the oven 24/7 for parts, and doing coating in mass quanity, its ok, i promise.
i mean ****, i cooked italian dressing chicken over penne last night after cleaning the oven, i feel perfectly ok.

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Old 10-16-09 | 03:57 AM
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btw, that blue is a little deeper in color than the pictures show, the pic was taken in direct sunlight.
anyways, im going to start on the irons on friday. i wasnt able to get anything done today, seeing as my gf wanted to take me hostage today until my graduation.
ill have more pictures up asap
just a teaser of how the powdercoat should look on the irons

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Originally Posted by arghx
that is not a "medium" exhaust port IMO. I have it on my engine. It ports the exhaust significantly below the sleeve. It definitely affected the amount of overlap. I had my exhaust ports matched to the sleeve before, then I bought the EP3A template which ported it down significantly. Even with brand new seals etc the engine made significantly less vacuum. It pulls about 12" now, but my intake porting is pretty aggressive. It makes idle trickier to tune among other things. If you are concerned about emissions testing I'm not sure if it's a good idea. But maybe with that level of intake porting it won't be too bad.
FWIW, I have a Pineapple large street port which has a very lopey idle and low vac. I was able to pass CA emissions with a cat and airpump; barely, but it passed....
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FWIW, I have a Pineapple large street port which has a very lopey idle and low vac. I was able to pass CA emissions with a cat and airpump; barely, but it passed....
what cat did you use
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Lloyd the pics came out good but i dont remember you taking one of me when i was porting
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Lloyd the pics came out good but i dont remember you taking one of me when i was porting

ya well, im sneaky like that. gotta get the pics up of the irons eventually

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what cat did you use
I used a reworked (for max flow) stock cat. The stock FD uses 3 bricks in its factory cat. I removed the first one and only the 2nd and 3rd bricks are present in this cat. Please note that the DP (not shown) and the inlet pipe to the cat have been heat wrapped to maximize cat performance, among other things. Everything must be fully warmed up to pass.

Oh yea, one more thing: this cat outflows every other cat I have ever tested. >530 cfm @ 20.3", IIRC. That's almost a 100% improvement over many HF cats and greater than 50% improvement over the best metallic substrate cats. Who said stock parts can't be made to perform?.... lol.
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BTW, on the front pulley bolt, Mazda does say to use RTV on it in the shop manual. The FC's use a copper crush washer on the front pulley to prevent an oil leak, on the FD you use RTV instead. The RTV doesn't make the bolt harder to remove, but the FD's front pulley bolt is torqued tighter than the FC and, of course, you have a good 2" bolt slathered in "don't remove me" Loctite.

The front pulley bolt is always a chore to remove. You pretty much have to have the engine secure (like on an engine stand) and the engine locked to keep it from moving. You can either use the flywheel lock tool or do what I do, bolt a chain to the rear iron then to the flywheel, works great and is quite simple to do. Then get a BIG damn breaker bar and put all your weight on it.

To do it with an impact gun you'd need some sort of he-man gun, like a 1" drive gun or something absurd. I've yet to see an impact gun that can EASILY get the front pulley bolt. Instead of dorking around with heating it and working the gun for an hour, get a breaker bar and be done in 2 minutes.

Anyhow, good luck with the motor!

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Originally Posted by DaleClark
BTW, on the front pulley bolt, Mazda does say to use RTV on it in the shop manual. The FC's use a copper crush washer on the front pulley to prevent an oil leak, on the FD you use RTV instead. The RTV doesn't make the bolt harder to remove, but the FD's front pulley bolt is torqued tighter than the FC and, of course, you have a good 2" bolt slathered in "don't remove me" Loctite.

The front pulley bolt is always a chore to remove. You pretty much have to have the engine secure (like on an engine stand) and the engine locked to keep it from moving. You can either use the flywheel lock tool or do what I do, bolt a chain to the rear iron then to the flywheel, works great and is quite simple to do. Then get a BIG damn breaker bar and put all your weight on it.

To do it with an impact gun you'd need some sort of he-man gun, like a 1" drive gun or something absurd. I've yet to see an impact gun that can EASILY get the front pulley bolt. Instead of dorking around with heating it and working the gun for an hour, get a breaker bar and be done in 2 minutes.

Anyhow, good luck with the motor!

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ya are supposed to use some RTV but the person used way to much rtv and he used RTV red we had to heat it up so much that the RTV remelted just to get it off.
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i wish i had taken a picture of it. see, like i said, my first brew rebuild, im used to s5 n/a and t2 engines.
anyways, he must have used like 1/2 the damned tube of rtv red to secure that bitch.
see, loctite i can understand, but so much red rtv that it takes 4 hours to get off? i dont think so

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Old 10-17-09 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by magus2222
i wish i had taken a picture of it. see, like i said, my first brew rebuild, im used to s5 n/a and t2 engines.
anyways, he must have used like 1/2 the damned tube of rtv red to secure that bitch.
see, loctite i can understand, but so much red rtv that it takes 4 hours to get off? i dont think so

Lloyd
The RTV had nothing to do with it being difficult to get off, you just got introduced to FD front main bolts, 95% of the are really really difficult to remove where my 700 ftlb impact wont do it after being heated. Still, a little heat, 8 foot breaker bar, tool to stop engine from turning and it takes a couple mins


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