My 3rd gen dyno
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Originally posted by Gargamel
Guestimating that the car weighs 2800 and Mike weighs 160. This brings the total weight to 2960 + 628 rwhp = 9.70 @ 139mph w/ good driving and track conditions
Guestimating that the car weighs 2800 and Mike weighs 160. This brings the total weight to 2960 + 628 rwhp = 9.70 @ 139mph w/ good driving and track conditions
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Originally posted by Wargasm
Well maybe if the original poster had mentioned this very minor detail, I wouldn't have said his numbers were suspect.
Mental note: Post my friend's 780 rwhp dyno tomorrow...
Oh yeah that's on a Supra motor, but I won't say anything
Well maybe if the original poster had mentioned this very minor detail, I wouldn't have said his numbers were suspect.
Mental note: Post my friend's 780 rwhp dyno tomorrow...
Oh yeah that's on a Supra motor, but I won't say anything
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congrats Mike!
but one thing is confusing me... when you dropped your car off... wasnt there some sort of a 800rwhp guarentee or the job was free? something like, drop the car off, pay $35K, come to the shop, go to the dyno with the guys, and walk out with a 800+ rwhp car??? i am 100% possitive i did read this before.
but one thing is confusing me... when you dropped your car off... wasnt there some sort of a 800rwhp guarentee or the job was free? something like, drop the car off, pay $35K, come to the shop, go to the dyno with the guys, and walk out with a 800+ rwhp car??? i am 100% possitive i did read this before.
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Originally posted by rynberg
You're right, the "actual" number is the "actual" number at the time of the dyno -- minus whatever fudge factors the dyno operator has put in....
However, comparisons with other dyno results are meaningless unless all numbers are SAE. And yes, SAE takes into account climate conditions as well as elevation.
You're right, the "actual" number is the "actual" number at the time of the dyno -- minus whatever fudge factors the dyno operator has put in....
However, comparisons with other dyno results are meaningless unless all numbers are SAE. And yes, SAE takes into account climate conditions as well as elevation.
proper corrections for runs with 12.5 psi ambient at 5000 feet:
na:
14.7/12.5= 1.18 (as in SAE)
turbo at 15 psi
(14.7+15)/(12.5+15)= 1.08
1.18/1.08 => 9% overestimated hp at 5000 ft
fudge factors: ... can be an issue with any dyno run.
#61
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I have added your dyno to my dyno page at
http://www.catenet.net/dyno.php
I have a couple predictions:
o You will get NO traction unless you put in some seriously taller gears
o You better have one hell of a cooling system!
Hehehehe good job!
B
http://www.catenet.net/dyno.php
I have a couple predictions:
o You will get NO traction unless you put in some seriously taller gears
o You better have one hell of a cooling system!
Hehehehe good job!
B
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Originally posted by rxrotary2_7
congrats Mike!
but one thing is confusing me... when you dropped your car off... wasnt there some sort of a 800rwhp guarentee or the job was free? something like, drop the car off, pay $35K, come to the shop, go to the dyno with the guys, and walk out with a 800+ rwhp car??? i am 100% possitive i did read this before.
congrats Mike!
but one thing is confusing me... when you dropped your car off... wasnt there some sort of a 800rwhp guarentee or the job was free? something like, drop the car off, pay $35K, come to the shop, go to the dyno with the guys, and walk out with a 800+ rwhp car??? i am 100% possitive i did read this before.
I had a choice when it came down to it.. Bragging rights of a 1k rwhp car being undrivable (for my usage), or a 650 rwhp car at a very low 13/14 PSI of boost; which is manageable.
And no worries though, I still have a few things in the works.. Over the next 6 months, I will be picking up a little larger custom turbo to provide those numbers. The idea is for the turbo to be an easy swap, depending on the needs of the car.
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Originally posted by Wargasm
I have added your dyno to my dyno page at
http://www.catenet.net/dyno.php
I have a couple predictions:
o You will get NO traction unless you put in some seriously taller gears
o You better have one hell of a cooling system!
Hehehehe good job!
B
I have added your dyno to my dyno page at
http://www.catenet.net/dyno.php
I have a couple predictions:
o You will get NO traction unless you put in some seriously taller gears
o You better have one hell of a cooling system!
Hehehehe good job!
B
I like comparing my dyno to another single turbo 13b at comparable boost... interesting.
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Originally posted by Wargasm
Well I don't tune/test the cars, I just find dynos and put them in there.
As for me not seeing the Resourcemobile in the sig, I've had a hell of a day and I'm not thinking clearly... and I was in no mood to see what I thought was an "April Fools" type dyno in here....
Sorry for casting doubt without asking for a mods list first, that was my bad!
B
Well I don't tune/test the cars, I just find dynos and put them in there.
As for me not seeing the Resourcemobile in the sig, I've had a hell of a day and I'm not thinking clearly... and I was in no mood to see what I thought was an "April Fools" type dyno in here....
Sorry for casting doubt without asking for a mods list first, that was my bad!
B
Oh yea, I know. I didnt mean it like it was your fault or anything. I was just making the comment.
BTW - I really like your site and I use it all the time! Its on my favorites list.
You know what would be interesting info. Do you have a way to seeing stats on all those sheets to see how many times a certain dyno has been selected. It would be interesting to see what most people going to the site are looking for.
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so is this car on the road finally...ive been watching the progress pics with happy jealousy for some time. hehe
i agree...wargasms site has helped me tremendously....so when i saw someone giving him hell i got a bit irritated. is gargamel really the thief cheatham?
gotta love the drama dyno sheets bring up.
j
i agree...wargasms site has helped me tremendously....so when i saw someone giving him hell i got a bit irritated. is gargamel really the thief cheatham?
gotta love the drama dyno sheets bring up.
j
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The funny thing about Rikki's sheets is that he wasn't lying. He was just sort of twisting things around with the whole "race gas" thing and ignition timing. However, his engine was nicely ported.
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Originally posted by clayne
The funny thing about Rikki's sheets is that he wasn't lying. He was just sort of twisting things around with the whole "race gas" thing and ignition timing.
The funny thing about Rikki's sheets is that he wasn't lying. He was just sort of twisting things around with the whole "race gas" thing and ignition timing.
Yes I know, I just found the crayon drawing that looks like a 5 y/o did it rather amusing. Maybe huffner will check in, who knows..
Oh and I forgot to say it but congrats on this dyno sheet. I think the logic around pretty much 600 or hp being enough, and not shooting the gap looking for the 1000rwhp too. 1000rwhp would be impressive, but I think(and you can tell me if I'm wrong) that 600 rwhp should be MORE than enough for any kind of street driving.
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Well I can say I"ve seen several 3 rotor dynos, ridden in a few, and even drove one myself.... this one looks like the best one I've seen so far!
You've really got me reconsidering doing a 20B now! My 406 rwhp at 14 PSI is just kinda... snore.... now....
Brian
You've really got me reconsidering doing a 20B now! My 406 rwhp at 14 PSI is just kinda... snore.... now....
Brian
#72
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My car vs Red's 3 rotor
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
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#73
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So how do you plan to keep that much HP cool?
3 major reason I haven't done a 3 rotor yet are:
1 - How the hell do you cool it?
2 - How do you keep traction (fender flares?)
3 - How do you gear it and keep it together? (Guru?)
3 major reason I haven't done a 3 rotor yet are:
1 - How the hell do you cool it?
2 - How do you keep traction (fender flares?)
3 - How do you gear it and keep it together? (Guru?)
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Originally posted by Wargasm
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
I understand your point but it's not fair to compare a "complete" custom engine swap to the basic bolts-ons of your personal car and then say overall a 20b's to expensive. I guarantee you if Mazda actually made the 20b available as a factory option in the Rx7, we would not be having this conversation. You do realize that there are people on this board to whom have spent 15K plus just to modify their 13b's to high hp figures w/singles? There are also people who have installed 20b's themselves for less than that.
Don't underestimate the displacement advantage a 20b gives a person who wants "RELIABLE/DURABLE" high hp. There is no comparison that a 20b is far more superior to the 13b in this respect. Also, you don't have to drive the **** out of a modded 20b to get the most performance out of it like you would a modded 13b.
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Originally posted by Wargasm
My car vs Red's 3 rotor
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
My car vs Red's 3 rotor
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
MOST 3 rotors I've seen just don't "stack up" that well vs a 2 rotor when you factor in cost... in other words, yeah they might make 50-75 more hp than me, and definitely more low-end punch.. on a ROAD COURSE where you're in the powerband most of the time... they aren't THAT great... and they cost a LOT more and take a LOT more work to build... like these two vs my car:
http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH
Sure they make more power or better low range... but they are way more complicated to build.... mine is ALL bolt on stuff except the street port.
This new 3 rotor dyno makes me want one!
Brian
sweet jesus man. I feel so inadequate now.