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Old 08-08-06 | 12:05 PM
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where do you get all this stuff?
Old 08-08-06 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nicad2
Yep, that's a good idea. I was showing the changes I had used in the test. Here is the wiring diagram with the extra ground. There are still more things that can be done such as eliminating the fuel pump connector (B1-06) and hardwiring everything it.
Just a FYI for all the people out there doing this, there is an alternative to doing the hard-core rewire that also assists in getting more voltage to the pump, without eliminating the stock high/low voltage system.

You can simply take the blue wire that normally feeds voltage from the ignition switch and run it to constant power on the distribution block.

The relay is still ignition switched, however the power for the pump itself is no longer ignition switched. I made this change and added a second ground, and my voltage went from 11.6V at the pump to 12.9V. The alternator was putting out 14.1 volts at the time.
Old 08-18-06 | 05:51 AM
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Not only is the crimp gas tight ($125 tool) but there is a heat shrink cover, with glue bands that bond to the wire jacket that protects the actual crimp joint itself.
I must have this tool..where can i get it?
Old 08-18-06 | 06:55 AM
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Those are military spec environmental crimp splices. When heat shrunken they do not allow any intrusion of corrosion causing enemies. I haven't seen them available to the general public. We didn't always use the correct tool to do the crimping, a pair of safety wire pliers and know how work just as good.
Old 08-18-06 | 07:11 AM
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Here is the official tool.
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Old 08-18-06 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sevensheaven
We didn't always use the correct tool to do the crimping, a pair of safety wire pliers and know how work just as good.
HAHAHA!! (Wait, you were joking right? The only thing that makes a proper crimp is a proper tool)

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it's been a few years...I'll look for the p/n's this weekend.
Old 09-02-06 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nicad2
In order to prove that replacing the fuel pump wiring improves fuel pressure I have been searching for an electric fuel pressure sender to hook to my powerfc. Though I still haven't found the perfect sender yet, I have proven it indirectly!
Finally found a good,cheap way to log fuel pressure with my datalogit. I posted a circuit diagram and parts list here.
https://www.rx7club.com/rotary-car-performance-77/logging-fuel-pressure-529948/page2/
Old 09-02-06 | 04:28 PM
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That's a nice simple wiring setup to keep the stock resistor in place, although my only concern is that if the fuse you added blows, you will end up with low voltage on the pump again (hopefully not while you are under boost). It would be nice to have a setup for which the 'deafult' situation (that is open relays etc) yields high voltage to the pump.


Originally Posted by nicad2
The attached picture shows the service manual wiring diagram with the changes I made. My approach is different than some others in that it does not eliminate the "low speed" resistor. Also, the additional relay is controlled by the original high speed signal from the ECU (pin 1K). Therefore, the stock low and high speed behavior is maintained. This should improve fuel pump life as Mazda intended. I left out the user-specific details such as where to attach the 12V ign signal, wire guage and relay capacity, etc. How these items are chosen is really up to you and what works best for your car.
Old 10-15-06 | 10:55 AM
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in this schematic you can keep the speed relay and rewire the l/r wire direct to battery + is exactly the same.
Old 01-07-07 | 01:30 PM
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so whats the benefit of the spped relay?
Old 01-07-07 | 01:57 PM
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nice work
Old 01-07-07 | 02:00 PM
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where can i find a write up on how to rewier my stock fuel pump?
also would this be resonable to do with only catback & cold air mod to air box
Old 01-07-07 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sevensheaven
Those are military spec environmental crimp splices. When heat shrunken they do not allow any intrusion of corrosion causing enemies.
yeah, and how many people are going to use that?

for the average joe, soldered connections are better...crimp connections can easily pull apart
Old 01-07-07 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KX500FD
yeah, and how many people are going to use that?

for the average joe, soldered connections are better...crimp connections can easily pull apart
Your right but would you rather check to see if all your connections are together or check the resistance of your soldering joint? Just because it "looks ok" doesnt mean its not gonna fail soon.
Old 01-07-07 | 03:39 PM
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The right solder for the job won't have a significant resistance. they use solder on pcb's for-goodness-sakes. if you're going to over engineer something use a rosin core flux solder and then crimp the connector to be absolutely sure that no humidity or FOD will get into it. Then do your heat shrink to ensure further that no FOD will muck up the connection and to hold the wires still and prevent fraying.


EDIT: is there a quantifiable improvement from raising the voltage. i absolutely understand that better flow is well...better but what does it mean? Is this a reliability thing or does it mean that we can tune for more power on the stock fuel system?
Old 01-07-07 | 04:06 PM
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the voltage drop associated with ths stock wiring can cause fuel delivery to drop off when you need it most (high rpm, high load)...Steve Kan has written about this in other sections

the stock plug above the fuel pump cover is so cheap and the wires inside the tank are so small I've had the car refuse to start because the voltage drop was so bad (or the connection was corroded)

I noticed a 2 V jump after I rewired it with 10 gauge and ditched the plug
Old 01-07-07 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NissanConvert
The right solder for the job won't have a significant resistance. they use solder on pcb's for-goodness-sakes. if you're going to over engineer something use a rosin core flux solder and then crimp the connector to be absolutely sure that no humidity or FOD will get into it. Then do your heat shrink to ensure further that no FOD will muck up the connection and to hold the wires still and prevent fraying.


EDIT: is there a quantifiable improvement from raising the voltage. i absolutely understand that better flow is well...better but what does it mean? Is this a reliability thing or does it mean that we can tune for more power on the stock fuel system?
HAHA! you said FOD!
Old 01-07-07 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TRISPEEDFD3S
HAHA! you said FOD!
ah yes, i noticed in another thread you were talking about "duty" in San Diego. Lemme guess, you're navy too?
Old 01-07-07 | 05:09 PM
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The average Joe doesn't know dink about soldering! The crimper and environmental splices shown above are better than solder. People who really know have been properly instructed in both crimping and soldering. I personally have a military electrical / electronic back ground and have been educated in both types of connections.
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Yes. I'm on the freaking Aircraft Carrier USS NIMITZ. I get out in July! YES!
Old 01-07-07 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sevensheaven
The average Joe doesn't know dink about soldering!
true, but most people have not been properly instructed in "environmental splices" either

I had the work professionally done, and it was all soldered

this is picking at nits
Old 01-07-07 | 07:11 PM
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I remember reading an AMP technical paper on why the proper crimp tool, crimp connectors AND wire are all a "system" that when used together the crimp basically "fuses" the two metals together.

Cheap crimpers and cheap connectors will NOT make the same gas-tight connections as needed on aircraft.

I did find an article from "Import Service" magazine on the subject and it's test on how on high-current connectors, that the solder melted.

I am a FIRM believe on relays for high-current / voltage-sensitive devices (e.g., head lights). Try relaying your headlights as well, you'll love it, esp. if you use E-code headlights . . .

I ONLY use Bosch or Hella relays on high-current and high-reliability items (e.g., fuel-pumps; horns; headlights; etc.). I've had too many cheap relays fail.

BTW: I crimp and solder . . .

:-) neil
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Old 01-07-07 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TRISPEEDFD3S
Yes. I'm on the freaking Aircraft Carrier USS NIMITZ. I get out in July! YES!
Hey, at least it's not the sh!tty-hawk!

BTW: I crimp and solder . . .
I thought i was on to something. :P
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