Mazda Reman Engine - recommendations ?
02-21-02, 11:47 AM
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Well I don't feel like retyping everything that was wrong with it since I've already done that on a few occasions, but if you'd like to see some pics of it disassembled(as soon as it arrived), then take a look here:http://photos.yahoo.com/tu6dolce click on "Everyone" then "Mazda Reman". If you can't see what's wrong from those pictures, then a reman is good for you.
02-21-02, 12:56 PM
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Mach2,
I took a look at your pics and GEEZ - what a rust bucket (I won't even ask what the tolerances were).
I am interested in this post beacuse I plan to purchase a reman in the near future and hope that I don't get a bad one (note to God - I will be donating heavily in the collection plate if I get a good one).
Was this a recent purchase? possibly from the now-non-existant CA facility? Is Mazda making good on their warranty, or just dragging their feet?
**** like this makes me wonder how many people actually know what they are doing (not just on rebuilds, applicable to anything)
M
I took a look at your pics and GEEZ - what a rust bucket (I won't even ask what the tolerances were).
I am interested in this post beacuse I plan to purchase a reman in the near future and hope that I don't get a bad one (note to God - I will be donating heavily in the collection plate if I get a good one).
Was this a recent purchase? possibly from the now-non-existant CA facility? Is Mazda making good on their warranty, or just dragging their feet?
**** like this makes me wonder how many people actually know what they are doing (not just on rebuilds, applicable to anything)
M
02-21-02, 01:09 PM
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Well I got lucky cause the dealer that sent it to me took it back after I sent them those pics, so I don't have it anymore(Thank God). I purchased the engine in November of 2001. Btw, did you see the pic of the supposedly NEW rotor bearings? What a joke. Good Luck.
02-22-02, 11:37 PM
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Pineapple Racing
http://www.pineappleracing.com
If you're spending $1900 or 2200 on a Mazda reman I would defintely consider Pineapple. For $1900 you get 2yr/24K mi warranty. For $2400 you get 5yr/60K mi warranty with balanced, blueprinted, competition springs/seals, HD water seals, cryo treated bearings, thermal barrier on spark plug holes and exhaust manifold/turbo plus more that I don't recall of the top of my head (a lot more prep than a Mazda reman). Both motors include new rotor housings and ported motors are still covered by warranty. Call and talk to Rob Golden for more details.
My motor is currently being rebuilt by Rob after much research and consideration. Compared with the other reputable builders he gives you much more for your dollar. Do a search on here and you'll find a lot of praise for his work.
I understand the idea of having the Mazda dealer install it but I would not consider using a dealer unless they have a very good reputation for working on FD's and standing behind their work (not many dealers qualify on these two counts).
Good luck with your project.
Jack
If you're spending $1900 or 2200 on a Mazda reman I would defintely consider Pineapple. For $1900 you get 2yr/24K mi warranty. For $2400 you get 5yr/60K mi warranty with balanced, blueprinted, competition springs/seals, HD water seals, cryo treated bearings, thermal barrier on spark plug holes and exhaust manifold/turbo plus more that I don't recall of the top of my head (a lot more prep than a Mazda reman). Both motors include new rotor housings and ported motors are still covered by warranty. Call and talk to Rob Golden for more details.
My motor is currently being rebuilt by Rob after much research and consideration. Compared with the other reputable builders he gives you much more for your dollar. Do a search on here and you'll find a lot of praise for his work.
I understand the idea of having the Mazda dealer install it but I would not consider using a dealer unless they have a very good reputation for working on FD's and standing behind their work (not many dealers qualify on these two counts).
Good luck with your project.
Jack
11-17-02, 03:08 PM
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Re: Pineapple Racing
Jack,
How's your motor from Pineapple Racing? I was thinking of going with the $2500 5-year/60,000-mile motor...?
How's your motor from Pineapple Racing? I was thinking of going with the $2500 5-year/60,000-mile motor...?
Originally posted by Trout
http://www.pineappleracing.com
If you're spending $1900 or 2200 on a Mazda reman I would defintely consider Pineapple. For $1900 you get 2yr/24K mi warranty. For $2400 you get 5yr/60K mi warranty with balanced, blueprinted, competition springs/seals, HD water seals, cryo treated bearings, thermal barrier on spark plug holes and exhaust manifold/turbo plus more that I don't recall of the top of my head (a lot more prep than a Mazda reman). Both motors include new rotor housings and ported motors are still covered by warranty. Call and talk to Rob Golden for more details.
My motor is currently being rebuilt by Rob after much research and consideration. Compared with the other reputable builders he gives you much more for your dollar. Do a search on here and you'll find a lot of praise for his work.
I understand the idea of having the Mazda dealer install it but I would not consider using a dealer unless they have a very good reputation for working on FD's and standing behind their work (not many dealers qualify on these two counts).
Good luck with your project.
Jack
http://www.pineappleracing.com
If you're spending $1900 or 2200 on a Mazda reman I would defintely consider Pineapple. For $1900 you get 2yr/24K mi warranty. For $2400 you get 5yr/60K mi warranty with balanced, blueprinted, competition springs/seals, HD water seals, cryo treated bearings, thermal barrier on spark plug holes and exhaust manifold/turbo plus more that I don't recall of the top of my head (a lot more prep than a Mazda reman). Both motors include new rotor housings and ported motors are still covered by warranty. Call and talk to Rob Golden for more details.
My motor is currently being rebuilt by Rob after much research and consideration. Compared with the other reputable builders he gives you much more for your dollar. Do a search on here and you'll find a lot of praise for his work.
I understand the idea of having the Mazda dealer install it but I would not consider using a dealer unless they have a very good reputation for working on FD's and standing behind their work (not many dealers qualify on these two counts).
Good luck with your project.
Jack
11-17-02, 04:39 PM
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so far Im thinking pineapple with a mild street port and 3mm apex seals, 99 j-spec turbos, efini y-pipe, upgraded radiator...now I just have to figure out what to do about pills....correct me if I'm wrong but the proper pills can keep boost down and negate the need for a new ecu..?? Or if you have a ported motor is it new ecu time regardless.
11-17-02, 04:42 PM
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so far Im thinking pineapple with 3mm apex seals, 99 j-spec turbos, efini y-pipe, upgraded radiator...now I just have to figure out what to do about pills....correct me if I'm wrong but the proper pills can keep boost down and negate the need for a new ecu..??
11-17-02, 05:32 PM
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I read and heard that 3-mm apex seals are not necessary.
With a street ported motor you WILL NEED AN UPGRADED ECU and extra fuel. There's a busted Atkins street-ported motor sitting at AIM that succumbed to NO ECU upgrade, J-spec Twin Turbos, Efini Y-pipe, and merely a boost control pill to keep the boost down to 12 or 13 psi. He lost the motor at a BMW CCA Putnam Park drivers ed in October.
Short answer is if you have a stock motor, like I do, the pill is fine for controlling boost, while using the stock ECU. I've been using a "10.5 psi" pill with stock twins, high flow cat, RB intake duct/K&N filter/stock airbox, stock IC, and Trust Sport catback exhaust.
With new J-spec twin turbos, Efini Y-Pipe and higher-flowing M2 dual tip catback (to replace the loud droning Trust), I'll need to install my "10 psi" pill to keep the spiking down. The Efini Y-pipe, J-spec twins, and higher flowing M2 dual tip help make more boost because of the higher efficiency of the turbo/Efini Y-pipe setup, and the higher flowing M2 dual tip exhaust...
With a street ported motor you WILL NEED AN UPGRADED ECU and extra fuel. There's a busted Atkins street-ported motor sitting at AIM that succumbed to NO ECU upgrade, J-spec Twin Turbos, Efini Y-pipe, and merely a boost control pill to keep the boost down to 12 or 13 psi. He lost the motor at a BMW CCA Putnam Park drivers ed in October.
Short answer is if you have a stock motor, like I do, the pill is fine for controlling boost, while using the stock ECU. I've been using a "10.5 psi" pill with stock twins, high flow cat, RB intake duct/K&N filter/stock airbox, stock IC, and Trust Sport catback exhaust.
With new J-spec twin turbos, Efini Y-Pipe and higher-flowing M2 dual tip catback (to replace the loud droning Trust), I'll need to install my "10 psi" pill to keep the spiking down. The Efini Y-pipe, J-spec twins, and higher flowing M2 dual tip help make more boost because of the higher efficiency of the turbo/Efini Y-pipe setup, and the higher flowing M2 dual tip exhaust...
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11-17-02, 06:35 PM
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it depends what you need. argh....3mm can be beneficial to you at times. TRUST ME....I would have not motor if i did not have my 3mm ceramics.
each particular apex seal is usable for a slightly different application.
I use 3mm Ianetti ONE PIECE which are built for high rpm abuse and also withstand detonation better than stock. mazda builds them to handle higher boost as well.
Ive told this story a hundred times but here ya go....when I got my second batch of **** maps from xs engineering, I went out to test drive the car with my engine builder in the passenger seat. we pulled out of the driveway and at 3000rpms or so there was HUGE detonation under light throttle. the guy that built my new streetported motor was curled up like a fetus in the passenger seat in the biggest cringe I ever saw. His words were to the effect of "good thing you went with the 3mm ceramics because your motor would be gone"..."that was the most detonation Ive ever heard"
the compression is perfect.
I know they can break...I saw a broken one in a display once...but they took the abuse and saved me from xs engineerings stupidity.
Im a believer...but they are EXPENSIVE.
good luck
maz remans are junk...too many guys on the list and the forums over the past four years losing them to make me at all interested in that scam.
go with maztrix..kdr..rotaryreliability and racing...pettit...pineapple...for your work...thats a few where you will get the quality stuff.
j
each particular apex seal is usable for a slightly different application.
I use 3mm Ianetti ONE PIECE which are built for high rpm abuse and also withstand detonation better than stock. mazda builds them to handle higher boost as well.
Ive told this story a hundred times but here ya go....when I got my second batch of **** maps from xs engineering, I went out to test drive the car with my engine builder in the passenger seat. we pulled out of the driveway and at 3000rpms or so there was HUGE detonation under light throttle. the guy that built my new streetported motor was curled up like a fetus in the passenger seat in the biggest cringe I ever saw. His words were to the effect of "good thing you went with the 3mm ceramics because your motor would be gone"..."that was the most detonation Ive ever heard"
the compression is perfect.
I know they can break...I saw a broken one in a display once...but they took the abuse and saved me from xs engineerings stupidity.
Im a believer...but they are EXPENSIVE.
good luck
maz remans are junk...too many guys on the list and the forums over the past four years losing them to make me at all interested in that scam.
go with maztrix..kdr..rotaryreliability and racing...pettit...pineapple...for your work...thats a few where you will get the quality stuff.
j
11-17-02, 07:53 PM
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I doubt it, since they are probably available only through Mazduh dealerships, but here's an interesting exercise:
Print up some slick business cards with your name, a rotor logo and "Mazda rotary repair specialist" on it. (hell, that's what 90% of the so called experts out there do anyway....)
Drive over to their office in person, introduce yourself and ask if you can set up a wholesale account. They'll probably ask for a Federal Tax ID number, but tell them you are a sole proprietor, and give them your social security number instead.
Badabing! Dood, you're gettin' a reman!
(But just don't tell everyone what the cost is, since you do not want to see grown men cry, and BTW, I'll buy one for a future spare, so now you have your first order of 2 engines.)
I've got cold hard cash and Paypal, so get going!
"To succeed in business, be first, be daring, be different"
- Marchant
Print up some slick business cards with your name, a rotor logo and "Mazda rotary repair specialist" on it. (hell, that's what 90% of the so called experts out there do anyway....)
Drive over to their office in person, introduce yourself and ask if you can set up a wholesale account. They'll probably ask for a Federal Tax ID number, but tell them you are a sole proprietor, and give them your social security number instead.
Badabing! Dood, you're gettin' a reman!
(But just don't tell everyone what the cost is, since you do not want to see grown men cry, and BTW, I'll buy one for a future spare, so now you have your first order of 2 engines.)
I've got cold hard cash and Paypal, so get going!
"To succeed in business, be first, be daring, be different"
- Marchant
11-17-02, 08:04 PM
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and we have the Tyco CEO stepping down, we have Arther Anderson out of a job, no one has any faith in large business CEOs--and it all starts with seemingly harmless posts like the one above....
11-17-02, 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
and we have the Tyco CEO stepping down, we have Arther Anderson out of a job, no one has any faith in large business CEOs--and it all starts with seemingly harmless posts like the one above....
and we have the Tyco CEO stepping down, we have Arther Anderson out of a job, no one has any faith in large business CEOs--and it all starts with seemingly harmless posts like the one above....
Oh, wait, I get it. Someone HAS to pay retail. Not me dood. Never. Ever.
So if I buy an engine directly from Mazduh for $1,000 (they are happy because they made $500) and mark it up to $2,000 and sell it to you (which is exactly the profit margin) this makes me a bad person.
That's exactly what Malloy Mazda does, but everyone seems to agree that's the best deal going.
The difference between me and the schmucks you mentioned is that they are felonious criminals and plundered thousands of OPM's (other people's money) for their own outrageous selfish gains.
Dennis Kowslowski - the Tyco CEO - has a $6,000 shower curtain hanging in the bathroom of his New York penthouse. A SHOWER CURTAIN. And you know what?
He's probably going to be able to keep that penthouse, but he has his two multimillion dollar mansions in Vail, Colorado up for sale as we speak. Bummer. Blame George Bush and his best friend, Kenny Boy from Enron for this largesse, not me.
I am just trying to get the best possible price out there.
And just exactly what is wrong with that?
In my world, which is obviously different than your enlightened one, Mazda owes every owner who purchased a new FD3S and still owns it (because they love the car) - a NEW engine.
So there.
11-17-02, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Dishonesty is where it starts. I have no problem with getting the best price, only if the best price is achieved through up-front and honest dealings...
Dishonesty is where it starts. I have no problem with getting the best price, only if the best price is achieved through up-front and honest dealings...
You seem to have a problem with capitalism.
The only way that you could characterize what I have proposed is "dishonest" is if I schemed to defraud someone upfront, or wrote a bad check or failed to deliver what I promised. That is dishonest.
Other than that, it's just a business deal. Plain and simple. It's called a middleman who gets his cut for putting the deal togther. Happens millions of times every day.
If I meet the criteria for Mazda to sell me their engine at wholesale, (which in the real world of business is anyone with a heartbeat paying cold hard cash up front for the discount) Mazda gets their $500 and a new customer who can move their product. I get my $1,000. You get your new engine. Everyone is happy and sleeps good.
I never knew there was some professional high brow criteria for representing oneself as a "rotary repair specialist", or "Joe's discount auto parts". Hell, just by owning an FD3S for a few years you could classify yourself by that moniker. I've owned mine for ten. I also payed $15.00 yesterday plus shipping for a Mazda lower radiator hose that must have been very special, since the exact same piece of rubber (with different bends) for my 1988 Chevy Truck costs $3.00.
What you see as dishonest (for some strange reason) I see as entreprenurial. Go figure.
PS. I've been in business for myself for 22 years. You don't stay in business for that long doing flakey deals.
11-17-02, 10:18 PM
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I like RonKMiller's idea, I might look into doing something like that, I also do have a friend that has a auto restoring business maybe I can get the engines thru him since the has a business lic. 
Now I just need to find out how to get in touch with the reman factory or where in FL it is
Now I just need to find out how to get in touch with the reman factory or where in FL it is
11-17-02, 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Quivver
I like RonKMiller's idea, I might look into doing something like that, I also do have a friend that has a auto restoring business maybe I can get the engines thru him since the has a business lic. Now I just need to find out how to get in touch with the reman factory or where in FL it is
I like RonKMiller's idea, I might look into doing something like that, I also do have a friend that has a auto restoring business maybe I can get the engines thru him since the has a business lic.
Now I just need to find out how to get in touch with the reman factory or where in FL it is
I also think they are made by someone - believe it or not - like Delco.
I still would bet that they only sell to authorized Mazda dealers to handle warranty claims, etc. but hey, if your friend can get you the best price go for it!..you'll still save a few hundred bucks in shipping charges from Malloy. Since you now know what Malloy charges gives you some leverage with the parts department at your local Mazda dealer. You would be amazed at how they will negotiate especially for a "part' that is a couple of thousand dollars. I would shop it around at several dealers or have your friend call for you to get the "trade"
price.
Just don't be dishonest....
11-17-02, 10:53 PM
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my question is...why buy a piece of **** rebuild when you can have a true rotary specialist build a streeported motor with a decent warrantee?
btw..the markup on those remans out here in so cal is much more...anaheim mazda wants 4800 for them..and irvine mazda wanted 4900 the last time i asked an the last time i ever spoke to them again.
get rotary reliability and racing to do it right...or pineapple etc...the smaller shops care about what they do and you will know that it is done right.
j
btw..the markup on those remans out here in so cal is much more...anaheim mazda wants 4800 for them..and irvine mazda wanted 4900 the last time i asked an the last time i ever spoke to them again.
get rotary reliability and racing to do it right...or pineapple etc...the smaller shops care about what they do and you will know that it is done right.
j
11-17-02, 11:12 PM
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Roger that. University Mazda says 4700 for a reman. Guess the price just went up now that they don't produce them. Oh, I know, go get an RX-8. Cause that looks sooo much similar. Joke time....
11-17-02, 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
my question is...why buy a piece of **** rebuild when you can have a true rotary specialist build a streeported motor with a decent warrantee?
btw..the markup on those remans out here in so cal is much more...anaheim mazda wants 4800 for them..and irvine mazda wanted 4900 the last time i asked an the last time i ever spoke to them again.
get rotary reliability and racing to do it right...or pineapple etc...the smaller shops care about what they do and you will know that it is done right.
j
my question is...why buy a piece of **** rebuild when you can have a true rotary specialist build a streeported motor with a decent warrantee?
btw..the markup on those remans out here in so cal is much more...anaheim mazda wants 4800 for them..and irvine mazda wanted 4900 the last time i asked an the last time i ever spoke to them again.
get rotary reliability and racing to do it right...or pineapple etc...the smaller shops care about what they do and you will know that it is done right.
j
(But then again, everything is more expensive in Kalifornia)
I heard that engine parts are getting harder and harder to get and that just about all the major components have to come direct from Japan since no one is stocking them anymore? Not even Mazda USA.
Truth or Consequences? (hehehe) What's the real dope Artguy?
