M2 - ASP IC's What really happened?
05-19-04 | 09:32 PM
#76
Kevin no need to defer me to Jimlab, your a big boy you can handle it. What's my hidden agenda? Please explain. I'm not the one trying to sell IC's that were related to M2 and are in direct competition with Rotary Extreme, or their V-mount setup. Who has the agenda? Simply put what was the reason for even going in and starting the name calling on the other thread, now just a few days later here you are trash talking again, you speak how mature you are, your posts don't show it, and from a business standpoint that sucks, period. That is my agenda. Here is a little of your hypocrisy.
So what you run around and trash talk oh wait..... stir things up and there is no hidden agenda?Your finding and weeding all the bad guys out, for what a ignorant mass of consumers who need to be led.
Here so it is clear for the whole forum I HAVE NO AGENDA I JUST WANT THE MY IC IS BETTER THAN YOURS SO I HAVE TO GET MY LITTLE JABS IN WHEN I CAN THREADS TO GO AWAY.(for the ignorant mass there is the hidden agenda) I'm not friends with Chuck at RE or Tony at RXecret7 or Brian R. with M2.
As smart as you are you should know your product sells itself. IT IS A GOOD PRODUCT so what's the need again?People ask what's up PM them or email them. Why have any negativity surround ASP/Kevin T. Wyum name. That's the point.You have two people from the old days telling you your losing respect in their eyes, that should tell you something.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Anyway, pretty funny thread. You can actually see a good lesson here as well, by stirring up the hornets nest a bit you can immediately spot specifically which people are eager to sting. It lets you know who to ignore in the future and which agenda they might have when they try to play unbiased in the future. A little turmoil flushes them all out.
Kevin T. Wyum
Anyway, pretty funny thread. You can actually see a good lesson here as well, by stirring up the hornets nest a bit you can immediately spot specifically which people are eager to sting. It lets you know who to ignore in the future and which agenda they might have when they try to play unbiased in the future. A little turmoil flushes them all out.
Kevin T. Wyum
Here so it is clear for the whole forum I HAVE NO AGENDA I JUST WANT THE MY IC IS BETTER THAN YOURS SO I HAVE TO GET MY LITTLE JABS IN WHEN I CAN THREADS TO GO AWAY.(for the ignorant mass there is the hidden agenda) I'm not friends with Chuck at RE or Tony at RXecret7 or Brian R. with M2.
As smart as you are you should know your product sells itself. IT IS A GOOD PRODUCT so what's the need again?People ask what's up PM them or email them. Why have any negativity surround ASP/Kevin T. Wyum name. That's the point.You have two people from the old days telling you your losing respect in their eyes, that should tell you something.
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05-19-04 | 10:31 PM
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I think you're talking to the wrong person if those are truly your concerns. I'll take you at your word though, in which case you need to scold Chuck Huang. Look no further than the thread you quoted above. I only posted a comment about how I thought it was silly that people were being asked not to post pictures of their intercooler for fear they'd be copied when he does the exact same thing to other vendors with body panels.
I didn't say a word about the quality, function or any other aspect of his product before he jumped in badmouthing mine, in fact later in the thread I even said he seems to make decent products. On the other hand Mr. Huang was so vitriolic that he actually ended up making things up to bad mouth my products, when caught he could only respond, ... so what you're still lazy and it's a bad design yadda yadda.
I'll believe your sincerity when I see you jumping on Mr. Huang about conduct like that. Until then kindly step off the high horse.
Kevin T. Wyum
I didn't say a word about the quality, function or any other aspect of his product before he jumped in badmouthing mine, in fact later in the thread I even said he seems to make decent products. On the other hand Mr. Huang was so vitriolic that he actually ended up making things up to bad mouth my products, when caught he could only respond, ... so what you're still lazy and it's a bad design yadda yadda.
I'll believe your sincerity when I see you jumping on Mr. Huang about conduct like that. Until then kindly step off the high horse.
Kevin T. Wyum
Originally posted by Zero R
Kevin no need to defer me to Jimlab, your a big boy you can handle it. What's my hidden agenda? Please explain. I'm not the one trying to sell IC's that were related to M2 and are in direct competition with Rotary Extreme, or their V-mount setup. Who has the agenda? Simply put what was the reason for even going in and starting the name calling on the other thread, now just a few days later here you are trash talking again, you speak how mature you are, your posts don't show it, and from a business standpoint that sucks, period. That is my agenda. Here is a little of your hypocrisy.
So what you run around and trash talk oh wait..... stir things up and there is no hidden agenda?Your finding and weeding all the bad guys out, for what a ignorant mass of consumers who need to be led.
Here so it is clear for the whole forum I HAVE NO AGENDA I JUST WANT THE MY IC IS BETTER THAN YOURS SO I HAVE TO GET MY LITTLE JABS IN WHEN I CAN THREADS TO GO AWAY.(for the ignorant mass there is the hidden agenda) I'm not friends with Chuck at RE or Tony at RXecret7 or Brian R. with M2.
As smart as you are you should know your product sells itself. IT IS A GOOD PRODUCT so what's the need again?People ask what's up PM them or email them. Why have any negativity surround ASP/Kevin T. Wyum name. That's the point.You have two people from the old days telling you your losing respect in their eyes, that should tell you something.
Kevin no need to defer me to Jimlab, your a big boy you can handle it. What's my hidden agenda? Please explain. I'm not the one trying to sell IC's that were related to M2 and are in direct competition with Rotary Extreme, or their V-mount setup. Who has the agenda? Simply put what was the reason for even going in and starting the name calling on the other thread, now just a few days later here you are trash talking again, you speak how mature you are, your posts don't show it, and from a business standpoint that sucks, period. That is my agenda. Here is a little of your hypocrisy.
So what you run around and trash talk oh wait..... stir things up and there is no hidden agenda?Your finding and weeding all the bad guys out, for what a ignorant mass of consumers who need to be led.
Here so it is clear for the whole forum I HAVE NO AGENDA I JUST WANT THE MY IC IS BETTER THAN YOURS SO I HAVE TO GET MY LITTLE JABS IN WHEN I CAN THREADS TO GO AWAY.(for the ignorant mass there is the hidden agenda) I'm not friends with Chuck at RE or Tony at RXecret7 or Brian R. with M2.
As smart as you are you should know your product sells itself. IT IS A GOOD PRODUCT so what's the need again?People ask what's up PM them or email them. Why have any negativity surround ASP/Kevin T. Wyum name. That's the point.You have two people from the old days telling you your losing respect in their eyes, that should tell you something.
05-19-04 | 10:31 PM
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Re: M2 - ASP IC's What really happened?
What a good story! Is it your fault that you tried to cover up for M2 when they were screwing you because you are afraid you can't get your money or it's our fault to think that you are bad mouthing M2?
You knew that M2 had changed the design of the IC and you knew that's going to create the ducting problem but you kept it hush hush. Why? Because you are afraid that you are not going to get your money. The more they sell, the more money you are supposed to make but too bad they never paid. If none of the M2 nonpayment is happening, would you continue to sit there and collect all the royalty when you know there is problem with design of the M2 IC? I think you would keep it hush hush just like you did. You revealed it now because you are done with them and you are going to or already got your court settlement. And now you can blame everything to M2 on the design flaw and all the other crap when you knew about all the problems associated with them all along. Talking about morals and honesty.
The bottomline is, since you authorized M2 to make the IC's for you, you should take part of the responsibility. You did or going to get your $25,000 which was generated from those defective units. Now throwing all the problems back to M2 is not what a guy who honors his product will do. I wish I can blame everything on the contractors when there is any problem with the products I authorized them to make.
And who are you calling a screwball when you are the one who either got screwed or trying to screw others?
Chuck Huang
You knew that M2 had changed the design of the IC and you knew that's going to create the ducting problem but you kept it hush hush. Why? Because you are afraid that you are not going to get your money. The more they sell, the more money you are supposed to make but too bad they never paid. If none of the M2 nonpayment is happening, would you continue to sit there and collect all the royalty when you know there is problem with design of the M2 IC? I think you would keep it hush hush just like you did. You revealed it now because you are done with them and you are going to or already got your court settlement. And now you can blame everything to M2 on the design flaw and all the other crap when you knew about all the problems associated with them all along. Talking about morals and honesty.
The bottomline is, since you authorized M2 to make the IC's for you, you should take part of the responsibility. You did or going to get your $25,000 which was generated from those defective units. Now throwing all the problems back to M2 is not what a guy who honors his product will do. I wish I can blame everything on the contractors when there is any problem with the products I authorized them to make.
And who are you calling a screwball when you are the one who either got screwed or trying to screw others?
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
To the screwball trying to make a scene over my not being so nice to M2, does that explain it? Keep quiet unless you know what you’re talking about pretty please with sugar on top.
So that’s the story of ASP and M2 in summary. I think it probably explains a lot over the past couple years. Sorry I couldn’t mention it previously.
Kevin T. Wyum
To the screwball trying to make a scene over my not being so nice to M2, does that explain it? Keep quiet unless you know what you’re talking about pretty please with sugar on top.
So that’s the story of ASP and M2 in summary. I think it probably explains a lot over the past couple years. Sorry I couldn’t mention it previously.
Kevin T. Wyum
05-19-04 | 10:42 PM
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Chuck you're pathetic. You got caught lying in the last thread and could only respond, "so what you're still lazy" admitting you had made things up, real classy. Why would I bother talking to a liar? I wouldn't, so kindly go elsewhere I have no interest in any contact with a person of your ilk.
Kevin T. Wyum
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05-19-04 | 10:43 PM
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I thought it's silly that a guy who doesn't have too much morals himself trying to preach morals.
I don't know about pointing out the design flaws of your IC or your general practice of hiding information from the customers can be called bad mouthing. You said it yourself. You knew all about the M2 verison of your IC being the wrong desgin but you kept it hush hush. That's another good example from this thread. Calling you lazy is bad mouthing? You are too lazy to make the medium IC duct with the correct design. You are too lazy and the IC duct is not the optimal design. Those are facts. I made a mistake thinking about your using the same IC ducts for both because your wrong design on the medium IC duct. Obviously there is another guy on this thread making the same honest mistake.
You have come to numerous threads about vmount trying to bad mouthing my product or vmount in general and now you are denying all that? You have been bad mouthing me ever since the mailing list days. Too bad I can't do a quick search on those like on the forum.
Chuck Huang
I don't know about pointing out the design flaws of your IC or your general practice of hiding information from the customers can be called bad mouthing. You said it yourself. You knew all about the M2 verison of your IC being the wrong desgin but you kept it hush hush. That's another good example from this thread. Calling you lazy is bad mouthing? You are too lazy to make the medium IC duct with the correct design. You are too lazy and the IC duct is not the optimal design. Those are facts. I made a mistake thinking about your using the same IC ducts for both because your wrong design on the medium IC duct. Obviously there is another guy on this thread making the same honest mistake.
You have come to numerous threads about vmount trying to bad mouthing my product or vmount in general and now you are denying all that? You have been bad mouthing me ever since the mailing list days. Too bad I can't do a quick search on those like on the forum.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
I think you're talking to the wrong person if those are truly your concerns. I'll take you at your word though, in which case you need to scold Chuck Huang. Look no further than the thread you quoted above. I only posted a comment about how I thought it was silly that people were being asked not to post pictures of their intercooler for fear they'd be copied when he does the exact same thing to other vendors with body panels.
I didn't say a word about the quality, function or any other aspect of his product before he jumped in badmouthing mine, in fact later in the thread I even said he seems to make decent products. On the other hand Mr. Huang was so vitriolic that he actually ended up making things up to bad mouth my products, when caught he could only respond, ... so what you're still lazy and it's a bad design yadda yadda.
I'll believe your sincerity when I see you jumping on Mr. Huang about conduct like that. Until then kindly step off the high horse.
Kevin T. Wyum
I think you're talking to the wrong person if those are truly your concerns. I'll take you at your word though, in which case you need to scold Chuck Huang. Look no further than the thread you quoted above. I only posted a comment about how I thought it was silly that people were being asked not to post pictures of their intercooler for fear they'd be copied when he does the exact same thing to other vendors with body panels.
I didn't say a word about the quality, function or any other aspect of his product before he jumped in badmouthing mine, in fact later in the thread I even said he seems to make decent products. On the other hand Mr. Huang was so vitriolic that he actually ended up making things up to bad mouth my products, when caught he could only respond, ... so what you're still lazy and it's a bad design yadda yadda.
I'll believe your sincerity when I see you jumping on Mr. Huang about conduct like that. Until then kindly step off the high horse.
Kevin T. Wyum
05-19-04 | 10:48 PM
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Uh Mr. Huang. There was a contract in place at the time. I couldn't tell anybody anything until he defaulted on it. I have to confess when reading your posts I always imagine a really low budget asian movie dubbed in English.
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05-19-04 | 10:49 PM
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haha. you are the pathetic one. If you keep insisitng on making a honest mistake lying, I have nothing to say. The point is that you can't argue with your bad design of the medium IC duct or the whole SMIC design in general, you will need to use that against me. I am not the only one thinking you use the same IC duct for both the medium and large. So you use two kinds of IC ducts and so what? The medium IC duct still has design flaw and you still can't argue with that, can you?
On the contrary, you made up some story saying I borrowed some bodypanels to make copy from and never paid, where is your explanation on that? Either you made an mistake or you are lying, which one is it?
Chuck Huang
On the contrary, you made up some story saying I borrowed some bodypanels to make copy from and never paid, where is your explanation on that? Either you made an mistake or you are lying, which one is it?
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Chuck you're pathetic. You got caught lying in the last thread and could only respond, "so what you're still lazy" admitting you had made things up, real classy. Why would I bother talking to a liar? I wouldn't, so kindly go elsewhere I have no interest in any contact with a person of your ilk.
Kevin T. Wyum
Chuck you're pathetic. You got caught lying in the last thread and could only respond, "so what you're still lazy" admitting you had made things up, real classy. Why would I bother talking to a liar? I wouldn't, so kindly go elsewhere I have no interest in any contact with a person of your ilk.
Kevin T. Wyum
05-19-04 | 10:53 PM
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Why couldn't you? Because you are not going to get your money if you do so even though you knew about your product was made the wrong way. Yeah, I am stupid that I think keeping the customres informed is the correct way of doing business. I guess being honest with the customers is not part of your moral value.
Ok, I can put myself in your shoes that you couldn't tell no one about it. How about now? Are you going to get those defective units fixed free of charge and be an honorable man as you present yourself or blame everything on M2?
Chuck Huang
Ok, I can put myself in your shoes that you couldn't tell no one about it. How about now? Are you going to get those defective units fixed free of charge and be an honorable man as you present yourself or blame everything on M2?
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Uh Mr. Huang. There was a contract in place at the time. I couldn't tell anybody anything until he defaulted on it. Sheesh you sure can be stupid.
Uh Mr. Huang. There was a contract in place at the time. I couldn't tell anybody anything until he defaulted on it. Sheesh you sure can be stupid.
05-19-04 | 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by rotaryextreme
I don't know about pointing out the design flaws of your IC or your general practice of hiding information from the customers can be called bad mouthing. You said it yourself. You knew all about the M2 verison of your IC being the wrong desgin but you kept it hush hush. That's another good example from this thread. Calling you lazy is bad mouthing? You are too lazy to make the medium IC duct with the correct design. You are too lazy and the IC duct is not the optimal design. Those are facts. I made a mistake thinking about your using the same IC ducts for both because your wrong design on the medium IC duct. Obviously there is another guy on this thread making the same honest mistake.
You have come to numerous threads about vmount trying to bad mouthing my product or vmount in general and now you are denying all that? You have been bad mouthing me ever since the mailing list days. Too bad I can't do a quick search on those like on the forum.
Chuck Huang
I don't know about pointing out the design flaws of your IC or your general practice of hiding information from the customers can be called bad mouthing. You said it yourself. You knew all about the M2 verison of your IC being the wrong desgin but you kept it hush hush. That's another good example from this thread. Calling you lazy is bad mouthing? You are too lazy to make the medium IC duct with the correct design. You are too lazy and the IC duct is not the optimal design. Those are facts. I made a mistake thinking about your using the same IC ducts for both because your wrong design on the medium IC duct. Obviously there is another guy on this thread making the same honest mistake.
You have come to numerous threads about vmount trying to bad mouthing my product or vmount in general and now you are denying all that? You have been bad mouthing me ever since the mailing list days. Too bad I can't do a quick search on those like on the forum.
Chuck Huang
I do have the M2 IC too. Yeah the duct don't fit right so I had to modify it and come up with my own duct.
Now that I think about it, kevin licensed his name and design to M2 and if he's going to get money from M2 so may be he should stand behind M2 IC and his products.
05-19-04 | 11:35 PM
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Kevin I am not on a high horse claiming to give life lessons,I had good debates with you the first time around about the whole V-mount versus the S-mount thing. Then I started to notice how every thread about a V-mount you would chime in, and in 1 page it would get ugly between you two, and I will defend my views on the v-mount design, then it was well I must have a hidden agenda the past few go arounds, then it comes out your taking over production again(hidden agenda)-(I only throw this at you because you insist on throwing it at me). I don't know you or Chuck or any of you people personally, and hey guess what I had a deal go bad with Brian also, but I covered myself, I believe he bit off more than he could chew but he never intentionally screwed me, others I have no idea on. I never came on here and told the world about it, I don't even to this day give out that info even if asked. Why? It was between me and him. But notice what this thread has got you, alot of negative crap. I won't go out of my way to bad mouth Chuck or RE, I won't go out of my way to bad mouth M2, I wont go out of my way to bad mouth you until you attack me on here with your witty jabs. I wont go out of my way to bad mouth other businesses wether I like them or not. I have very few exceptions to this rule, and even now I just don't do it at all, it brings nothing but negative crap torwards my business, and I don't need to bad mouth others to sell my product.(not saying you do, already stated above) but your honestly creating drama where there need be none, and it hurts your name, same goes for Chuck. He kinda has a hard fight on his own because people bitch about copies, (I know I had someone steal my kits. That's why they are no longer sold except through me and made by me.) Of coarse then the other half cries about how come someone can't make a copy. He is screwed either way he goes. Purists hate him, cheapies love him and some of the stuff I've seen on customer cars is better than the originals great for him.
Plain and simple what has this thread done positively for you? ASP/KevinWyum? Nothing unless your a drama queen. It just looks bad and drags the other side out to bad mouth you. Again I wish you the best, but your hurting yourself and your reputation by using negative remarks.
Plain and simple what has this thread done positively for you? ASP/KevinWyum? Nothing unless your a drama queen. It just looks bad and drags the other side out to bad mouth you. Again I wish you the best, but your hurting yourself and your reputation by using negative remarks.
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05-19-04 | 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
...I do have the M2 IC too. Yeah the duct don't fit right so I had to modify it and come up with my own duct.
Now that I think about it, kevin licensed his name and design to M2 and if he's going to get money from M2 so may be he should stand behind M2 IC and his products.
...I do have the M2 IC too. Yeah the duct don't fit right so I had to modify it and come up with my own duct.
Now that I think about it, kevin licensed his name and design to M2 and if he's going to get money from M2 so may be he should stand behind M2 IC and his products.
If you had to modify a real duct from an ASP IC then you either have a different radiator, didn't know how to install it or have a tweaked car. Real customers know how tightly the ducts fits. The guy that makes them does, for lack of a better term, a perfect job. They fit like a glove, I can't for the life of me figure out what crazy Chuck is psychotically ranting about. He's now gone so crazy that he's saying every SMIC is a flawed design, you should only use his intercooler rofl. Anyway maybe you got a knock off duct? Now that I think about it this is sounding awfully odd. If you had bought an IC and the duct didn't fit wouldn't you have asked for another one? You mean to tell me you bought a new IC and the duct didn't fit so you had to a.(modify it) or b.(make your own)? Sorry I couldn't determine which you meant. Are you leaving something out?
Why in the world would I support something I had never been paid for? Sorry I'm not a charity. Are you people crazy?
BTW do you have a name or are you just some anonymous poster?
This is getting pretty funny. : )
05-20-04 | 12:29 AM
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I'll have to give you credit, this post was actually a pretty good one, with some very valid points. Most of the stuff on this board from anonymous people is well, lacking and really not worthy of response. Perhaps I was jumping the gun in lumping you in with the other groupies with the mention of an agenda. If so my fault. I also agree with you that the previous debates about function etc. on the whole Vmount thing were what this forum is supposed to be all about. As you so astutely observed though, anytime I posted any debate points about Vmounts the same group of 5 or 6 people went nuts soon afterwards (the hornets I mentioned). Nobody would rationally discuss the point and Chuck Huang in particular would go off the deep end spamming 40 posts to the point a person couldn't respond before he had made 4 other posts. : ) Look at his posts in this thread, it's just bizarre. Anyway as you said you're not a friend of Chuck so...I made posts in those threads because they were about Vmounts. Where else should I post discussion about Vmounts? It had nothing to do with Chuck Huang, it had to do with Vmounts, I could care less who was building them.
I mentioned in an earlier post why I felt I had to make the original post. Viewed systemically it didn't appear that it could reasonably be swept under the rug and achieve the separation I felt was needed. Trust me, I left the vast majority of the dirt out of this. It was the very broad strokes to clear my name and my product from everything he had been doing. Here's something to think about, if someone like you had made public the problems you had maybe I would have never gotten involved with him? It might have saved a lot of anguish. My company does background checks on people and I can tell you if everyone kept quiet all the bad people would be allowed to skate. Can you imagine places like Ebay or Shopping.com if they refused to allow feedback? Don't tell me you advocate that kind of thing with staying quiet?
I actually wish I could tell you some of the things this has achieved but I can't. My purpose is to clear the product, not harm him. Outside of some spamming from anonymous net posters or Chuck Huang, which I don't really consider harmful, this has actually been very positive. I've had quite a few PM's and emails from people, like you it seems, that had certain dealings as well. If I knew what I know after posting this, the people that have come out of the woodwork, including former M2 employees mind you, I would have done things drastically different when I started the suit a year ago. So yes, on balance, this has, overall, been very positive, although, I suppose the spam is hard for some to see through. With 20/20 hindsight I would have done the same thing, with the exception that I would have tagged my second post in the thread to the end of the first.
Anyway I really have a lot of stuff I'm not getting done because of all of this, perhaps that is the one negative to all of this, so I'll have to make this my last post of the night. As I said, good post and perhaps I jumped the gun lumping you in with the others. If everyone was willing to calmly debate things would be far more fun.
Kevin T. Wyum
I mentioned in an earlier post why I felt I had to make the original post. Viewed systemically it didn't appear that it could reasonably be swept under the rug and achieve the separation I felt was needed. Trust me, I left the vast majority of the dirt out of this. It was the very broad strokes to clear my name and my product from everything he had been doing. Here's something to think about, if someone like you had made public the problems you had maybe I would have never gotten involved with him? It might have saved a lot of anguish. My company does background checks on people and I can tell you if everyone kept quiet all the bad people would be allowed to skate. Can you imagine places like Ebay or Shopping.com if they refused to allow feedback? Don't tell me you advocate that kind of thing with staying quiet?
I actually wish I could tell you some of the things this has achieved but I can't. My purpose is to clear the product, not harm him. Outside of some spamming from anonymous net posters or Chuck Huang, which I don't really consider harmful, this has actually been very positive. I've had quite a few PM's and emails from people, like you it seems, that had certain dealings as well. If I knew what I know after posting this, the people that have come out of the woodwork, including former M2 employees mind you, I would have done things drastically different when I started the suit a year ago. So yes, on balance, this has, overall, been very positive, although, I suppose the spam is hard for some to see through. With 20/20 hindsight I would have done the same thing, with the exception that I would have tagged my second post in the thread to the end of the first.
Anyway I really have a lot of stuff I'm not getting done because of all of this, perhaps that is the one negative to all of this, so I'll have to make this my last post of the night. As I said, good post and perhaps I jumped the gun lumping you in with the others. If everyone was willing to calmly debate things would be far more fun.
Kevin T. Wyum
Originally posted by Zero R
Kevin I am not on a high horse claiming to give life lessons,I had good debates with you the first time around about the whole V-mount versus the S-mount thing. Then I started to notice how every thread about a V-mount you would chime in, and in 1 page it would get ugly between you two, and I will defend my views on the v-mount design, then it was well I must have a hidden agenda the past few go arounds, then it comes out your taking over production again(hidden agenda)-(I only throw this at you because you insist on throwing it at me). I don't know you or Chuck or any of you people personally, and hey guess what I had a deal go bad with Brian also, but I covered myself, I believe he bit off more than he could chew but he never intentionally screwed me, others I have no idea on. I never came on here and told the world about it, I don't even to this day give out that info even if asked. Why? It was between me and him. But notice what this thread has got you, alot of negative crap. I won't go out of my way to bad mouth Chuck or RE, I won't go out of my way to bad mouth M2, I wont go out of my way to bad mouth you until you attack me on here with your witty jabs. I wont go out of my way to bad mouth other businesses wether I like them or not. I have very few exceptions to this rule, and even now I just don't do it at all, it brings nothing but negative crap torwards my business, and I don't need to bad mouth others to sell my product.(not saying you do, already stated above) but your honestly creating drama where there need be none, and it hurts your name, same goes for Chuck. He kinda has a hard fight on his own because people bitch about copies, (I know I had someone steal my kits. That's why they are no longer sold except through me and made by me.) Of coarse then the other half cries about how come someone can't make a copy. He is screwed either way he goes. Purists hate him, cheapies love him and some of the stuff I've seen on customer cars is better than the originals great for him.
Plain and simple what has this thread done positively for you? ASP/KevinWyum? Nothing unless your a drama queen. It just looks bad and drags the other side out to bad mouth you. Again I wish you the best, but your hurting yourself and your reputation by using negative remarks.
Kevin I am not on a high horse claiming to give life lessons,I had good debates with you the first time around about the whole V-mount versus the S-mount thing. Then I started to notice how every thread about a V-mount you would chime in, and in 1 page it would get ugly between you two, and I will defend my views on the v-mount design, then it was well I must have a hidden agenda the past few go arounds, then it comes out your taking over production again(hidden agenda)-(I only throw this at you because you insist on throwing it at me). I don't know you or Chuck or any of you people personally, and hey guess what I had a deal go bad with Brian also, but I covered myself, I believe he bit off more than he could chew but he never intentionally screwed me, others I have no idea on. I never came on here and told the world about it, I don't even to this day give out that info even if asked. Why? It was between me and him. But notice what this thread has got you, alot of negative crap. I won't go out of my way to bad mouth Chuck or RE, I won't go out of my way to bad mouth M2, I wont go out of my way to bad mouth you until you attack me on here with your witty jabs. I wont go out of my way to bad mouth other businesses wether I like them or not. I have very few exceptions to this rule, and even now I just don't do it at all, it brings nothing but negative crap torwards my business, and I don't need to bad mouth others to sell my product.(not saying you do, already stated above) but your honestly creating drama where there need be none, and it hurts your name, same goes for Chuck. He kinda has a hard fight on his own because people bitch about copies, (I know I had someone steal my kits. That's why they are no longer sold except through me and made by me.) Of coarse then the other half cries about how come someone can't make a copy. He is screwed either way he goes. Purists hate him, cheapies love him and some of the stuff I've seen on customer cars is better than the originals great for him.
Plain and simple what has this thread done positively for you? ASP/KevinWyum? Nothing unless your a drama queen. It just looks bad and drags the other side out to bad mouth you. Again I wish you the best, but your hurting yourself and your reputation by using negative remarks.
05-20-04 | 12:45 AM
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I have an M2 with the f'd up end tank. Yes it does hang over slightly, but I managed to center it pretty good and with a little tape, it should be perfect. I have to say that the duct fits like a glove, it slips right into place and is very solid. The only problem that I have is the one tube rubs on the hood, so I am going to have to shorten the y-pipe to get it to fit correctly.
I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own.
As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion.
Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***.
Cheers...
I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own.
As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion.
Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***.
Cheers...
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Psst.. I did make about 4 prototype exhausts that were sections welded together that really did suck. I'd never really intended to sell them but oh well. Afterwards I made a series about about 30 or 40 that were pretty flawless though. I think some people complained that it only had a 3.5" tip since I wouldn't do ricey stuff.
If you had to modify a real duct from an ASP IC then you either have a different radiator, didn't know how to install it or have a tweaked car. Real customers know how tightly the ducts fits. The guy that makes them does, for lack of a better term, a perfect job. They fit like a glove, I can't for the life of me figure out what crazy Chuck is psychotically ranting about. He's now gone so crazy that he's saying every SMIC is a flawed design, you should only use his intercooler rofl. Anyway maybe you got a knock off duct? Now that I think about it this is sounding awfully odd. If you had bought an IC and the duct didn't fit wouldn't you have asked for another one? You mean to tell me you bought a new IC and the duct didn't fit so you had to a.(modify it) or b.(make your own)? Sorry I couldn't determine which you meant. Are you leaving something out?
Why in the world would I support something I had never been paid for? Sorry I'm not a charity. Are you people crazy?
BTW do you have a name or are you just some anonymous poster?
This is getting pretty funny. : )
Psst.. I did make about 4 prototype exhausts that were sections welded together that really did suck. I'd never really intended to sell them but oh well. Afterwards I made a series about about 30 or 40 that were pretty flawless though. I think some people complained that it only had a 3.5" tip since I wouldn't do ricey stuff.
If you had to modify a real duct from an ASP IC then you either have a different radiator, didn't know how to install it or have a tweaked car. Real customers know how tightly the ducts fits. The guy that makes them does, for lack of a better term, a perfect job. They fit like a glove, I can't for the life of me figure out what crazy Chuck is psychotically ranting about. He's now gone so crazy that he's saying every SMIC is a flawed design, you should only use his intercooler rofl. Anyway maybe you got a knock off duct? Now that I think about it this is sounding awfully odd. If you had bought an IC and the duct didn't fit wouldn't you have asked for another one? You mean to tell me you bought a new IC and the duct didn't fit so you had to a.(modify it) or b.(make your own)? Sorry I couldn't determine which you meant. Are you leaving something out?
Why in the world would I support something I had never been paid for? Sorry I'm not a charity. Are you people crazy?
BTW do you have a name or are you just some anonymous poster?
This is getting pretty funny. : )
05-20-04 | 01:00 AM
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Grrrr, one more quick post, then I'm done for the night : ). I'm going to cut your post up a little for speed.
"I have an M2 with the f'd up end tank. Yes it does hang over slightly, but I managed to center it pretty good and with a little tape, it should be perfect. I have to say that the duct fits like a glove, it slips right into place and is very solid."
Almost everyone says the same thing, which is why I found the other person's post very odd. The duct is extremely well done. Note I didn't make it : )
"The only problem that I have is the one tube rubs on the hood, so I am going to have to shorten the y-pipe to get it to fit correctly. "
That's why I'm making the cast tube, it will replace those and eliminate that issue people had while using the M2 pipes, and honestly even some of mine although it was always the strut bar not the hood. I'd hold off for the cast tube if I were you.
"I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own."
Thanks for the kind words I can't say I don't appreciate it.
"As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion. "
I've heard other things privately as well but I don't have permission to mention them, wish I could. Chuck does seem to over react.
"Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***."
I actually agree with you about this as well. It used to be that you could have an honest debate here, now it turns into a spam fest and personal attacks. I'll confess it might not be nice to call Chuck crazy but I really do think his posts are over the top and it seems to be taboo to do anything but praise him. Sometimes I shouldn't post as well but sadly I do get drawn in.
Kevin T. Wyum
Cheers... [/B][/QUOTE]
"I have an M2 with the f'd up end tank. Yes it does hang over slightly, but I managed to center it pretty good and with a little tape, it should be perfect. I have to say that the duct fits like a glove, it slips right into place and is very solid."
Almost everyone says the same thing, which is why I found the other person's post very odd. The duct is extremely well done. Note I didn't make it : )
"The only problem that I have is the one tube rubs on the hood, so I am going to have to shorten the y-pipe to get it to fit correctly. "
That's why I'm making the cast tube, it will replace those and eliminate that issue people had while using the M2 pipes, and honestly even some of mine although it was always the strut bar not the hood. I'd hold off for the cast tube if I were you.
"I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own."
Thanks for the kind words I can't say I don't appreciate it.
"As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion. "
I've heard other things privately as well but I don't have permission to mention them, wish I could. Chuck does seem to over react.
"Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***."
I actually agree with you about this as well. It used to be that you could have an honest debate here, now it turns into a spam fest and personal attacks. I'll confess it might not be nice to call Chuck crazy but I really do think his posts are over the top and it seems to be taboo to do anything but praise him. Sometimes I shouldn't post as well but sadly I do get drawn in.
Kevin T. Wyum
Cheers... [/B][/QUOTE]
05-20-04 | 01:44 AM
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From: Stockton, CA
You are the classic example that no one can please everyone. Why don't you tell people how rude you were in the email. I didn't tell you to **** off and the "quality" issue you had was nonsense to begin with. The bar was CNC machined and 100% guranteed fitment. Why don't you tell people what kind of issue you had?
I have sold at least 20-30 of those bars. Why don't you start a thread and ask those people who have them to see if they share the same opinion as you.
The bottom line is, treat people the way you want to be treated. If you want to be rude, I reserve the right not to serve you.
Chuck Huang
I have sold at least 20-30 of those bars. Why don't you start a thread and ask those people who have them to see if they share the same opinion as you.
The bottom line is, treat people the way you want to be treated. If you want to be rude, I reserve the right not to serve you.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by wickedrx7
I have an M2 with the f'd up end tank. Yes it does hang over slightly, but I managed to center it pretty good and with a little tape, it should be perfect. I have to say that the duct fits like a glove, it slips right into place and is very solid. The only problem that I have is the one tube rubs on the hood, so I am going to have to shorten the y-pipe to get it to fit correctly.
I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own.
As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion.
Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***.
Cheers...
I have an M2 with the f'd up end tank. Yes it does hang over slightly, but I managed to center it pretty good and with a little tape, it should be perfect. I have to say that the duct fits like a glove, it slips right into place and is very solid. The only problem that I have is the one tube rubs on the hood, so I am going to have to shorten the y-pipe to get it to fit correctly.
I think it is a tried and true design that is perfect. It installs in no time and requires almost no modification to the car.
To everyone bashing the design of Kevin’s or anyone’s intercooler, get off your *** and design your own. Not many people would have the ambition or smarts to do this on their own.
As far as Chuck goes, I bought a strut bar and was disappointed by the quality and that he didn't include SS inserts for both sides. I brought this to his attention and he got ultra defensive and basically told me to f*&^ off for privately bashing his product. Personally I don't think I will buy another product of his. This is just my personal opinion.
Kevin-I think you are bigger than this "yours is better than mine ****" you are much respected and getting into these spitting contest will only hurt you reputation in my opinion. People like to get into this **** because they feel like they can be big and tuff with a keyboard when all they do is make themselves look like an ***.
Cheers...
05-20-04 | 02:00 AM
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From: Stockton, CA
As for you Kevin, I actually felt bad for you that you got screwed by M2. I was going to post something to apologize to you that I thought you screwd M2. But when I read your last comment about my being a screwball, all my sympathy went out of the window.
Anyway, after everyone calms down, you think for a sec. I am very capable making an SMIC or even a ASP IC copy if I want to. Why didn't I do it like all the other companies have done to you? It's because I don't run my business to hurt others and I don't like to be in direct competition with others. I hate drama and I don't have time for that kind of ****. Like I said to you before from the vmount thread, you mind your business and I mind mine and everyone is happy. You went crazy after my post because you thought I was going to copy you. If I am really want to screw you or try to hurt your business, I would have done so in many ways already. That was not a threat. Just to prove to you that we don't need to go into battle. Everyone can just do their own stuff quietly in this community and survive at the same time. I hope we can both put this to the past and be happy. It makes me sad that when I see those Japanese racing videos, all those rotary shop owners are having fun together on the track even though they are still competitors in business. We don't really see that kind of harmony here.
Chuck Huang
Anyway, after everyone calms down, you think for a sec. I am very capable making an SMIC or even a ASP IC copy if I want to. Why didn't I do it like all the other companies have done to you? It's because I don't run my business to hurt others and I don't like to be in direct competition with others. I hate drama and I don't have time for that kind of ****. Like I said to you before from the vmount thread, you mind your business and I mind mine and everyone is happy. You went crazy after my post because you thought I was going to copy you. If I am really want to screw you or try to hurt your business, I would have done so in many ways already. That was not a threat. Just to prove to you that we don't need to go into battle. Everyone can just do their own stuff quietly in this community and survive at the same time. I hope we can both put this to the past and be happy. It makes me sad that when I see those Japanese racing videos, all those rotary shop owners are having fun together on the track even though they are still competitors in business. We don't really see that kind of harmony here.
Chuck Huang
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05-20-04 | 02:46 AM
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From: Tejas
chucks last sentence has been my thoughts this whole time.
look at all the old schoolers in here. I remember many from the big list. I read your words to learn my car back before this forum.
it is sad that the good ole days are over...or maybe you all will stop acting so ****** retarded and realize that it is time to move forward and let go. all you are creating here is more gmonson vs pfs bullshit which just gets worse and worse as time goes on (they showed us all how stupid it is)...then the community suffers. I am not one to talk when it comes to setting an example around here but honestly, many people around here look up to your knowledge and this old dirty laundry biz **** is fukking that up. that goes for all sides.
it is great to see you all coming around for the thread though. I hope this can turn into intelligent discussion rather than the kindergarten bitching about spelling and years old baggage that aint doing anyone any good.
feels like a full moon. is it?
j
look at all the old schoolers in here. I remember many from the big list. I read your words to learn my car back before this forum.
it is sad that the good ole days are over...or maybe you all will stop acting so ****** retarded and realize that it is time to move forward and let go. all you are creating here is more gmonson vs pfs bullshit which just gets worse and worse as time goes on (they showed us all how stupid it is)...then the community suffers. I am not one to talk when it comes to setting an example around here but honestly, many people around here look up to your knowledge and this old dirty laundry biz **** is fukking that up. that goes for all sides.
it is great to see you all coming around for the thread though. I hope this can turn into intelligent discussion rather than the kindergarten bitching about spelling and years old baggage that aint doing anyone any good.
feels like a full moon. is it?
j
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05-20-04 | 10:54 AM
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Whoa! Everyone needs to relax. We're arguing about intercoolers for ten year old cars that leak oil. Not worth getting worked up over.
With that said, I got an ASP LIC a while back, and I LOVE it. BUT I was annoyed that it used 17 rows instead of 22 like M2's. Far bigger deal than the endtank design. In the grand scheme of things though, it doesn't really matter.
With that said, I got an ASP LIC a while back, and I LOVE it. BUT I was annoyed that it used 17 rows instead of 22 like M2's. Far bigger deal than the endtank design. In the grand scheme of things though, it doesn't really matter.
05-20-04 | 11:40 AM
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Hey guys, sorry to interject but none of this is making anyone look good. I see several adults batting back and forth a dead horse with nobody winning. Everyone should take a deep breath, gather some composure, and move on.
Best Regards,
Steven Hyde
Performance Group Unlimited, LLC
www.pg-unlimited.com
Best Regards,
Steven Hyde
Performance Group Unlimited, LLC
www.pg-unlimited.com
05-20-04 | 12:07 PM
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From: Delaware
Originally posted by Devilish
..... I got an ASP LIC a while back, and I LOVE it. BUT I was annoyed that it used 17 rows instead of 22 like M2's. Far bigger deal than the endtank design. In the grand scheme of things though, it doesn't really matter.
..... I got an ASP LIC a while back, and I LOVE it. BUT I was annoyed that it used 17 rows instead of 22 like M2's. Far bigger deal than the endtank design. In the grand scheme of things though, it doesn't really matter.
2.4 stock
1.1 M2 med (22 row)
1.1 M2 lg (22 row)
1.7 M2 lg (17 row)
seems proper fix for duct fit on M2 med would be a simple alum L bracket attached to the lower tank side, extending the sealing surface. couple small holes, sheet metal screws, and rtv would complete a repair kit. IMHO, M2 should provide the kits at cost (if requested) since they created the problem. No freebees since many have used M2 IC's.
the change to the 22 row lg IC I would consider an evolutionary design improvement, that occured during M2's run based on scc data. no action required.
anyone have the thread they can PM me?
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