Locking in on SMOKE problem of freshly built Hayes motor..........
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Locking in on SMOKE problem of freshly built Hayes motor..........
Well, I'm now getting more smoke........tons of white blueish smoke with burning oil scent.........mmmmm tasty. At first thought it was my turbos at 105k miles stockers bound to be shot.........right ? Well, I undid all my piping and found no significant amt. of oil in there. Then I ran the car for a few blocks with the top IC piping completely disconnected thus eliminating any chance of oil blowby to reach the intake man. SOooooooooooooo.....that leaves two things.....Really messed up OMP dumping oil.........or another shitty assembly of an engine by Hayes Rotary. Gawd........I hate to even type that name. From speaking to a very knowledgeable engine builder he seems to think that since there was no smoke immediately upon start up of the freshly installed motor that it could be caused by the use of old springs that hold the oil seal in place on the rotor. I am getting oil coating on my front lower plug and the rest are covered in black sutt. Again......tons of white Blue smoke that covers up my neighbors house. I'm about to have the motor torn out and sent away to someone else and have them see what's inside the Hayes box of poo. BTW, this motor is a warranty job done by Hayes. It actually looks really nice. Fully polished housings, nice stage 2 street porting and rotors appeared to have been heat coated. Can't believe they would waste the time polishing the housings to put together a pos engine. We'll know whats really in there soon enough......................
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BTW, anyone think it could be the Oil metering pump ? It's a long shot....but just maybe ?? Hmmmmmm....well since it didn't smoke like this for the first couple of hours after just starting the newly installed engine I doubt its the OMP.
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Originally posted by ISUposs
it is probably the seals on the exhaust side of the turbos. mine smoked pretty much how you described. rebuilt the turbos and we're good to go.
it is probably the seals on the exhaust side of the turbos. mine smoked pretty much how you described. rebuilt the turbos and we're good to go.
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Originally posted by badass7
hmmmmmmm...............So they can leak on the exhaust side ? I do not see any external leakage.......did you ? Also, were your plugs covered in oil ? Thanks.
hmmmmmmm...............So they can leak on the exhaust side ? I do not see any external leakage.......did you ? Also, were your plugs covered in oil ? Thanks.
but anyway, yes, the turbos can leak out of the exhaust side.
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Originally posted by Bucrx7
There's a customer coming to the shop to get his HAYES motor rehauled because it's smoking after 5000 miles. You're not the only one experiencing the problem.
There's a customer coming to the shop to get his HAYES motor rehauled because it's smoking after 5000 miles. You're not the only one experiencing the problem.
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Originally posted by badass7
Hey Buc, let me know what you guys find with that engine. ISUposs, was there any clear external leak when your turbos were leaking onthe exhaust side ? I've read and seen pics. of people having oil actually drip down their midpipe. Mine appears to be clean in that area. Thanks guys.
Hey Buc, let me know what you guys find with that engine. ISUposs, was there any clear external leak when your turbos were leaking onthe exhaust side ? I've read and seen pics. of people having oil actually drip down their midpipe. Mine appears to be clean in that area. Thanks guys.
it doesn't take much oil in the exhaust to make alot of smoke.
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Originally posted by ISUposs
yes there was external leaking, but i think that was just due to leaky oil drain connections.
it doesn't take much oil in the exhaust to make alot of smoke.
yes there was external leaking, but i think that was just due to leaky oil drain connections.
it doesn't take much oil in the exhaust to make alot of smoke.
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Originally posted by turbojeff
Black "soot" is fuel, not oil. How does it run other than the smoke?
If the motor is burning oil internally you should get oil on the plugs.
Black "soot" is fuel, not oil. How does it run other than the smoke?
If the motor is burning oil internally you should get oil on the plugs.
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Just my 2 cents... I had a very similar problem with a Hayes rebuild on my old FB that had a 4 port 13b swap.
Lots of light blue smoke on startup, once warm its wasn't "that bad" but take it up to redline and I'd get a 007 style smoke screen.
I had a simple intake setup that was tuned to the same motor before the rebuild, never had a problem.
Hayes sucks ***
Lots of light blue smoke on startup, once warm its wasn't "that bad" but take it up to redline and I'd get a 007 style smoke screen.
I had a simple intake setup that was tuned to the same motor before the rebuild, never had a problem.
Hayes sucks ***
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Everyone who got screwed by these pos rebuilders should get a lawyer and sue the **** out of them. I mean seriously, this isn't a bad jug of milk we're talking about here. Rebuilding an engine takes a lot of cash. We should be able to expect more from these guys. Maybe if Atkins or Hayes got sued, they, along with all of the other rebuilders would be a little more careful when putting these things together. I can just see some ******* named Cletus putting a rotary together with a cigarrete in his hand at one of these places. "Hey Roy, how these durn things go in?" Just my $.02
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Mr. Bad,
Get the error code resolved. You may even need to figure out which pins on the ecu connect to the map sensor and then confirm they work.
When the MAP sensor is out the ECU tries to protect the engine.
Get the error code resolved. You may even need to figure out which pins on the ecu connect to the map sensor and then confirm they work.
When the MAP sensor is out the ECU tries to protect the engine.
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Originally posted by ech
Mr. Bad,
Get the error code resolved. You may even need to figure out which pins on the ecu connect to the map sensor and then confirm they work.
When the MAP sensor is out the ECU tries to protect the engine.
Mr. Bad,
Get the error code resolved. You may even need to figure out which pins on the ecu connect to the map sensor and then confirm they work.
When the MAP sensor is out the ECU tries to protect the engine.
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That is an great question, and I don't have a good answer for it. The ECU should be dumping in a huge amount of fuel, but even if the OMP was on overdrive, there shouldn't be that much oil. ??
So you may have multiple problems, but even if that is the case, the oil problem will be much easier to diagnose with the engine running well.
So you may have multiple problems, but even if that is the case, the oil problem will be much easier to diagnose with the engine running well.
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Well I would get the MAP sensor issue fixed and then move on to the smoking or oil as you put it. Smoking rotarys are due to oil control rings, side seals and um I cant remember if that is it or not. Also 100K plus turbos is a little shaky. Just my .02
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Engine is being yanked ASAP and being sent to someone who knows their shiaaaat. I would consider sueing Hayes, but that would be a waste of time and they would still prolly send me back another pos. So, I'm just gonna cut bait and take a loss on this one. Especially since this already is a warranty job.........can you imagine a double warranty job ?? That's a scary thought.....prolly open it up and find one of Don's shoes in there.....lol
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I hate to say it, but why does anyone buy a hayes motor nowadays. With nothing but **** for a reputation, how does a customer NOT know how bad they are? In the 9 years I've had my FD, I've yet to hear 1, 1 damn it, good engine story from Hayes. Granted, you only hear the bad stories, but I can't remember anyone responding to counter someone with a bad experience.
Yeah, cut your losses and egg their shop next time your in the area.
Tim
Yeah, cut your losses and egg their shop next time your in the area.
Tim