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Old 08-23-03 | 02:05 AM
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Knight Sports or any other v-mount intercooler...

I'm looking for a v-mount kit it doesnt have to come with a radiator I'm mostly looking for the mounts and intercooler for a good price and I didnt want to have to spend 2300 at rotary extreme. I thought about building my own but I just want the easy of a kit. But I might end up building it. Pm me or just leave a thread.
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Also, does any one happen to know any web site that may have instructions on building one???
Old 08-23-03 | 03:33 AM
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the rotary extreme kit is one of the cheeper ones on the market. He can modify your rad (sounds like you already have one)

email him at rotaryextreme@aol.com and ask chuck about it.
Old 08-23-03 | 07:23 PM
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"I want a quality system but I don't want to pay money for it..."

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Old 08-24-03 | 11:05 AM
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I'm not 100% positive (as I haven't seen the full specs) but I think the new hks fd v-mount (which looks very nice) - is i/c only. It is about 50,000 yen cheaper than the other japanese kits (knightsports etc - which are all approx. 300,000 yen)

not sure on the current us-yen exchange rate, but I'm guessing that is still above your budget
Old 08-24-03 | 12:25 PM
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Why not get a tape measure... find out what u want, and have Spearco make you an IC?
Old 08-24-03 | 03:51 PM
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yea....im thinking about jus buying a core and welding everything i'll prolly have to talk to bryan from bnr about helping me find a core...thats why i was mainly looking for the brackets. but who knows... i raced an ls1 ta last night and his tork ****** ate me alive....my car must be faster.....but it is still mainly stock.. thats a whole diffrent thread though. if any one has any ideas feel free to share.
Old 08-24-03 | 05:21 PM
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race from a roll...10mph or so
Old 08-25-03 | 12:06 AM
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Just get the IC from HKS
Old 08-25-03 | 03:51 AM
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I would like to see how the hell air is going to flow through the IC with the radiator in the stock position in your proposed set-up. Chuck has done a lot of work engineering that system, which can retain both the A/C and the AST.

You got to pay to play. If you want to do this right, either get Rotary Extreme's kit or you are going to have to figure out how to customize brackets and your radiator to work properly in a V-configuration. And don't forget the shielding to properly funnel the air.
Old 08-25-03 | 09:05 AM
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Chuck will sell you just the intercooler if thats all you want. Im almost positive he will sell it individually. E-mail him at rotaryextreme@aol.com .

I would like to see this HKS V-mount setup.
If you want a full V-mount intercooler system then you will pay the same as if not more then Chucks system. I believe the knight sports V-mount system does not work on the U.S. Spec cars. Chuck told me this some time ago so I can't remember why. But kits such as the R magic V-mount and the RE Amemiya kit are gonna be probally closer to 3,000. I personally don't think that anyone building V-mount systems is gonna show you how to build it since they are out to make money. The engineering that goes into these setups is pretty substantial. Also your stock radiator will not work in the opposite position. You will need a aluminum radiator with the end tanks modified to work in the new postion. Unless HKS figured out some way to make it work.
Old 08-25-03 | 10:46 AM
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Chuck wouldn't sell me any of the parts seperately. I wanted him to just modify my rad. (fluidyne), and give me all he parts for the AC relocation and rad mounting, so i could do my own intake/IC. He wouldn't go for it.
Old 08-25-03 | 11:52 AM
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Chuck's vmount kit is the cheapest you will find. To get the Knight Sports kit here, you would end up paying about 4k for it. It does not fit on US spec cars because of the right drive differences. It doesn't seem like that would effect it but you do the cutting and relocating around a lot of the steering components on the car. As far as Chuck not going for the custom setup, he doesn't have that many v-mount kits in stock all the time and if he were to part one out, he'd potentially lose a full kit customer and/or get behind on all his other productions. He's a pretty busy one-man army so it may simply be because he trusts himself to have enough time to do a satisfactory job on your parts. The $2300 v-mount kit from him is worth it, but then again you have to realize that its one, if not the most advanced design for kits dealing with the intercooler/radiator and its price is at least the minimum of what you'd pay to have the class of it. I would go for making a custom kit or waiting on the HKS update, but be ready to spend time and money to make things work.
Old 08-25-03 | 12:26 PM
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Well, i can't use his IC because i'm not interested in relocating my battery or using that little teeny thing. I also don't want a <metal> intake. I can't see how modifying my radiator and selling me a set of brackets would really deplete the stock on what is basically a made to order kit.

But, thats Chucks choice..., and i do think his is the only setup worth looking at, because it retains the A/C.
Old 08-25-03 | 03:13 PM
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relocated your battery is a small price to pay...and if you don't like the metal intake check out Knight Sport's C/F intake, it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!
Old 08-25-03 | 03:50 PM
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You could also use an M2 carbon fiber box intake....or something else. Chucks is the only one worth looking at because his is the only one being made in the U.S. If you don't want to pay the price for a V-mount then you can go another route such as FMIC, or SMIC. It's all personal preference. But if you choose V-mount you will pay a little extra but the rewards will be worth it.
Old 08-25-03 | 11:46 PM
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I think i will just save my milk money and buy chucks. I have been talking to him over email for the past couple of days and i am defentally going the v-mount way. no fmin or smic for my fd......
Old 08-26-03 | 12:59 AM
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Josh,

Good to hear that you decided not to fab your own.. its better to get Chucks..

also do a search.. i think when chuck was making the vmount.. one of the first guy who got it, I used to chit chat about some of the issues with V mount.. ie, air flow, etc.. (also like to credit SPOAutos). Its not that simple as just getting an IC and radiator and make the shape.. also you need to consider how air will pass thru.. which means vented hood will make it better flow to IC.. also, remember that air will flow toward least restricted pathway.. so, if radiator has less restriction, most of the air will flow thru..

One thing I wanted to see was a divider put in between rad and IC.. so it will seperate the air and not worry about which path air will take.. but that's just my thought..

Anyhow, I'm glad that you decide to buy chucks.. also, V mount isn't really the BEST.. think about it before making your final decision.. Because i was all about v mount about a year ago.. but I ended up getting a greddy 2 row.. because, it was cheap and core was pretty big.. also its been used by many without any ill affect.. Also, I like the look of it..
Old 08-26-03 | 01:07 AM
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Yeah, do a search on the v-mount or VMIC...I've posted quite a lot of useful info on them also.
Old 08-26-03 | 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by Joshbham
i raced an ls1 ta last night and his tork ****** ate me alive....my car must be faster.....but it is still mainly stock..
Is tork an eating utensil?
Old 08-26-03 | 04:41 AM
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ive seen the rotary extreme v-mount and i have nothing but bad things to say about it. everything on it is mickey moused. the brackets are so ghetto. you have to cut away some of the frame for it to fit. you can shake the **** out of the ic too. and what about pressure drop? have they tested it out?
Old 08-26-03 | 08:33 AM
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scratchjunkie...you should really know what you are talking about before you post negative things about a company. In all reality you do not need to do any frame modification in order to make it fit. I haven't tried to "shake the ****" out of my intercooler...don't know why you would want to anyway, but it needs to have some movement. It is only held on by 2 bolts which is plenty. It's not going to fly out of the engine bay. It seems pretty stable to me. Does it matter what the brackets look like? If they work then who cares? Their are only a few brackets to deal with anyway. The pressure drop on a V-mount IC is obviously going to be less then on a FMIC due to the size of the IC and the distance the air has to travel. I just got my vented hood a few days ago. Once my engine gets back I will have some new info on air temps, water temps ect. Without the vented hood or shields installed I had intake temps of 35-40 degrees celcious when crusing at about 80. This is when ambient temps are around 85-90 degrees F. I am very satisfied with my setup. I think I can speak for MakoDhardie when I say that he is very pleased with his setup as well.

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Old 08-26-03 | 10:38 AM
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Scrub,

Thats pretty impressive with the intake temp.. 35 degree C is about 96F?? man, that's really good..

the thing that I liked about SMIC and V mount is the fact the the distance the air travel is LOT less.. FMIC, there is just too much distance.. And all the curves.. man.. But its cheap..
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