jimlab

Yes, but I've purposely kept from mentioning them on this board... for the obvious reasons.

JoeD

c'mon...post some in the Kills Forum. it will be quite interesting.

Fritz Flynn

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Because your a well respected member of this forum its obvious that you should post them so some folks can take there heads out there butts. In my opinion a 2002 z06 would consistently beat any twin turbo 7 in the 1/4 mile with similar drivers. And not just in the quarter mile but on the track as well . For the money I think the Z06 is the best new sports car made but still not my cup of tea.

So Jimlab lets hear it from the horses mouth.

waltk88

What do you mean by "any" twin turbo 7? Do you mean stock twin turbo 7 or all twin turbo 7s? It's undisputed that a stock Z06 would beat a stock RX7. But it's silly to extend this to all twin turbo RX7s. Do you think that a stock Z06 would come close to a twin turbo with all the performance (400rwhp), suspension (coilovers), and brake mods (AP racing big brakes) running on R-compound tires (Hoosiers)?

Fritz Flynn

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Any twin silly means any twin maybe I am wrong but its my understanding that the stock twins are good for around 385 fwhp. Once thats achieved and you've replaced your turbo's a couple times you still need torque which you don't have cause your busy killing your third set of turbo's who are screaming bloody murder trying to make 16 to 18lbs of boost so you can catch that z06 who's just spendin gas money.

JoeD

it is very possible for an FD still on stock twins to beat a stock or close to stock Z06. some guy (forgot his name) supposedly ran 11.1 on stock twins, and ErnieT was running mid/high 11s on stock twins.

but dont forget, you are comparing:
-a 93-95 car to a 2002
-a car with 255 hp from the factory as opposed to 405 (~415 in Jim's case)
-a car with 217 lb. ft. of tourque as opposed to 400 (~410 in Jim's case)
-a ~$37,000 car to a ~$50,000 car.

not excuses, just facts that need to be pointed out.

jimlab

Waltk88, what color is your car, and what type of rims does it have?

jimlab

Kevin Wyum ran a 10.98 on a stock motor and stock twins in his One Lap monster, and drove Brooks Weisblat's car into the 11s before Brooks took over. Brooks ran a best of 11.4, I believe. There's a list member who has run 11.1 consistantly, and there are others in the 11s, all on the stock twins. But not on street tires, that's for sure.

For an RX-7 to run in the 11s on street tires, you're talking single turbo and a lot more mods. Most people can't get a highly modified RX-7 into the mid to low 12s on street tires, let alone 11s. The Corvette does have an advantage, because the P295/40-18 Goodyear F1 Supercar tires on the back of the Z06 are pretty sticky and (goes without saying) pretty wide.

If someone's managed to get an RX-7 into the 11s on anything but drag radials or slicks, I'd like to hear about it.

But JoeD, what happened to the RX-7's incredibly efficient 1.3 liter engine? The Z06 only makes 71 horsepower/liter, and the RX-7 makes 196.

JoeD

now that is a excuse.

Ehughes

I like the idea of modding to compete w/ the vette. I just got back from the track and got my *** handed to me by a modded late 90's vette w/ semislicks. He ran a 12. But I did get a best of 13.4. First time at the track since I bought the car last month. Can you say "Wheel Hop"?!?!

mmaragos

I wasn't missing the point, in fact you illustrated mine. You can add $$$ and know-how to virtually any car to make it faster than another car without the same level of modification. BFD.

Yeah, the sticker for the Z06 is a lot more than a used FD. So what. It is brand new and its stock performance is well beyond the stock performance of the FD (and most modded FDs), and I doubt that it has any reliability issues.

Maybe I should buy a used Geo Metro for $50 put a monster engine in the hatch, convert it to RWD and then it would be faster than the FD. Once again BFD.

It isn't like the FD is the cheapest means of street performance.

Fritz Flynn

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I just hope Mazda/Ford make another RX7 that we can be proud of but right now the Z06 far exceeds our beloved fd3s its just not a fair fight.

waltk88

jimlab, my FD is Montego Blue and has 18" SSR Integrals.

jimlab

Good.

Then you're not the owner of the stock-appearing VR FD who is probably still looking for his doors somewhere on 520 after they were blown off so badly. He attempted a ricer flybye heading towards the 51st St. exit and got left like he'd accidentally hit the brakes.

Or the owner of another VR with black wheels who I followed onto 520 and apparently expected to lose me through the "S" curves on the NE 24th St. onramp. He seemed surprised to still find me behind him on the onramp. He then took it up to 80 and moved over to the fast lane, and I followed. He went to 90. I followed. He was closing in on 100 but wouldn't jump, so I pulled along side. As soon as the red nose and badges came into his line of site, he dropped back and wouldn't play.

Unfortunately, the bulk of my run-ins have come from riced out Civics, so far. They don't read the right magazines, apparently.

waltk88

I wish I had the miles on my motor to get it on with a Z06. It's only at 750mi at the moment. I wouldn't take losing to a Z06 personally. I love and respect that car. It just means I need more mods, and makes it easier to rationalize that T78 purchase if twins won't do it.

Fritz Flynn

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Fritz Flynn

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Walt my car has very similar mods and in my earlier post I mentioned top rwhp at 385 with stock twins just conjecture but even with that # I don't think you could beat a z06 (with street tires that is) My car was dynoed at 342 rwhp with 15/16lbs of boost and after driving a Z I know there is no way I could beat one. If you go single with some 275's you could do it but short of that I don't think its possible I suggest you go drive one and then you'll realize what your up against.

waltk88

Fritz, I've drove a 2001 Z06 for an entire weekend. It felt fast but not super fast. I've not driven the 02.

Fritz Flynn

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Well hell then you already know there's not much diff I think the 01 was maybe 4.2 to 60 02 maybe 3.9 and the same in the quarter probably 3 or 4 10ths diff. With the weight diff they will feel a little slower at similar speeds though. Its the fastest car to 60 I've been in what did you think about its acceleration from a stop? I was inches away from getting a 2001 for 39k with only 2500 miles on it (silver too). But I still can't picture myself in one maybe when I'm old and grey. I still think an upgraded 7 is much more fun to drive and of course there's something about that wonderful rotary.

Cetchup

Hey jimlab-

You seem to know a lot about Corvettes, so i have a question for you. The other night i was cruising on the freeway and saw a new C5 with upgraded Quad exhaust and some nice shiny wheels =). So i pull next to him going about 80 and rock him about 2 times, and just as im putting it into 5th (thinking hes not gonna run with me) he takes off, so i drop it into 4th and couldnt catch him. We took it to about 110 and he slowed down, i waved and took the next exit. He then follows me to a local mexican shop and we talk for a bit (keep in mind the guy admitted to me he was drunk). He told me he ran a 12.8 and had a missle motor? (?? what is that) and that he had 8 coils and no distributor. Can you please tell me what else he most likely had, cuz i got beat pretty bad ( i only have CB so i didnt expect to win at all). Thanks !

waltk88

Fritz, one thing I like about the Z06 (and all C5s for that matter) is that it's an easy car to launch cleanly. The RX7's axle hop really annoys me, so I don't often launch hard from a dead stop.

The Z06 accelerates in a pretty linear fashion, it just pulls and pulls anywhere on the tach. In contrast, the RX7's power delivery really only picks up at about 5000rpm, delivering a big rush to 8000rpm. That's why subjectively the RX7 feels so quick. Both cars are so different in how they put down power, that it's difficult to say which one feels stronger.

Depending on my financial situation later in the year, I may pick up a Millenium Yellow 02 Z06. If I can't swing it, then I'll probably mod the hell out of the RX7 and go single.

JoeD

couldnt agree more. i have never driven in a C5 Vette, but a WS6 Trans Am that i drove once felt much, much slower than my uncle's stock S2000. the combination of the tight suspensionand high revs made the car feel so much quicker. and the car just kept on pulling harder and harder till ___, where as the TA felt like it died after 5K RPM.

i know the TA would whoop the S2K in a race, but i think the overall feel of the acceleration is just as important as the actual acceleration.

ronarndt

My Vette with my wife at the wheel vs me in my FD. Vette is 2 car lengths faster off the line, FD slightly faster once boost (15 psi) is up, but not fast enough to catch up, only stay 1-2 car lengths back up to 130 mph, then vette gains ground. Stock turbos are getting tired, maybe this is the excuse to go single or probably the ball bearing twins. Also may put in 4.3 rear end. Did someone say nitrous?

JoeD

how would a modified FD with 285s or 295s out back do against a Z06??

MPower

I was lucky enough to drive both Z06s and C5. The power band is broad and has good feel. But I've always loved my M Cars. Maybe is just the way BMW makes there engines, There are really smooth and still pulls hard. I've always like the power of NA motors opposed to turbo.

IMO I still like the power of my 2001 M Roadster compared to my RX7 even though my 7 is alot faster. Maybe because I can rev it all the way to 8 grand and its an inline 6. Its not as torquey as a Z06 but the power is smooth and accelerates pretty fast. The Lingenfelter Twin Turbo 427 Z06 now thats SICK!