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Old 12-12-06 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by njstreetrx7
when u guys say "overheat"...do u actually mean the engine WILL overheat or u think it would run HIGHER temp than a smic......?
Well, for starters how often will your car see track duty? Next, why do you even want to risk running at a higher temp? Higher temps are what kill rotaries.

Originally Posted by NissanConvert
hokay, i'm actually wondering some similar things as the OP. I have a FMIC from a SRT-4 (from my TII project that no longer has it's TII engine) and a truck load of piping, hose & clamps. i have no problem fabricating something but i don't have an extractor hood.

the car is my DD & has an aftermarket (dunno what brand) radiator. solutions?
So....can anyone help me out?
Old 12-13-06 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Wrong. If you run an FMIC on the track, you will overheat. No ifs, and, or buts about it. An FMIC is the worst choice for anyone planning to run on the track. Period.
i apologize i said its ok for any application. I should clarify. it is true, FMIC does have higher water temp at the track, takes longer to cool down. Higher engine temp but i wouldn't say overheat (from my experience w/my buddies that have HKS and Blitz FMIC).

FMIC "IS" the worse choise for track, but doesn't mean your car will burn or blow up.

When your car overheats that's a different story. overheat= damaging your apex seals... not all FMIC are going to "overheat" .. that's a false stereotype

still.. FMIC for DD is ok... just have to learn its hits and misses

Originally Posted by NissanConvert
So....can anyone help me out?
I don't quite understand your question? how is not having a extractor hood keeping you from putting on the SRT FMIC??? i've seen people keeping the hood for looks and still have a FMIC on a T2
Old 12-13-06 | 10:33 AM
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What i was saying is that it's a relatively small intercooler, though larger in terms of total surface area that the side mount. That gives me some flexibility on mounting locations. So if i were to try to fab it up as a V-mount could I? I mentioned the lack of an extractor hood because the air going up through the v-mount (theoretically) wouldn't have anywhere to go.

I also mentioned that i have an aftermarket radiator (koyo i think) so maybe(?) that would help with elevated temps?
Old 12-13-06 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RX7LINK
sorry herb, i have to agree w/ Montego on this one... RX-7 alone is a very eye catchy car.. FMIC does make the car catch even more attention

I would assume most people will not be able to recognize a VMIC unless they know RX-7s or are into cars enough to know what a VMIC is.

If they don't know what it is.. they're less likely to investigate
LOL! you could agree or disagree with me... But Montego stated initially that he wouldn't recommend a FMIC because someone with FMIC tends to have "tons of goodies that go with it as well". My statement was that people with V mounts tends to have more goodies than people who buy FMIC, because they are "CHEAP". If you don't want to agree with that, thats fine with me Bottomline, if someone wants to "5 finger discount" an FD, I don't think they really care if it has FMIC, Vmount, SMIC... Like you said, "RX-7 alone is a very eye catchy car".
Old 12-13-06 | 11:24 AM
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Just my experience

PFS SMIC, worked fine , but air intake temps were a issue . Nice and thick IC, but it had alot of heat soak issues.

Greddy 3row FMIC, I know removing the ac and ps helped alot, but engine temps are no longer a issue. Water sits at 180-185 in traffic on warm days. What makes my set up work, is I sealed the gaps on the rad to FMIC and run my fans 24/7 . I have enough air being sucked in that you can feel it when you walk past the FMIC .
Old 12-13-06 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RX7LINK
i apologize i said its ok for any application. I should clarify. it is true, FMIC does have higher water temp at the track, takes longer to cool down. Higher engine temp but i wouldn't say overheat (from my experience w/my buddies that have HKS and Blitz FMIC).

FMIC "IS" the worse choise for track, but doesn't mean your car will burn or blow up.

When your car overheats that's a different story. overheat= damaging your apex seals... not all FMIC are going to "overheat" .. that's a false stereotype

still.. FMIC for DD is ok... just have to learn its hits and misses



I don't quite understand your question? how is not having a extractor hood keeping you from putting on the SRT FMIC??? i've seen people keeping the hood for looks and still have a FMIC on a T2
I dare you to go track your car in the summer with an fmic. You will overheat, and it wont take long. Fact is, FMIC are alright for street use or drag, and there is no way I would run a stock rad with one, ever.

To me there just seems to be so many reasons to not run FMIC, besides the fact that I track my car regularly in the summer months. Such as, rock damage, longer piping, advertising the fact that your car is modified. I dont need people knowing that there is lots of money on the car. Or the fact you have to cut a lot of the front end out with many of the fmic kits. Or how you can get very similar intake temps with an M2 Large smic like mine, without compromising water temps. Which rotaries are already tempermental about.

I can see why it would be better in drag racing, but I see no other point. I just dynoed my car and I didnt get an ounce of heatsoak with my smic. Just get a quality one and you will be fine. Just seems like one of the biggest reasons people go fmic is for the looks and the comments they get on it.
Old 12-13-06 | 11:35 AM
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"I would assume most people will not be able to recognize a VMIC unless they know RX-7s or are into cars enough to know what a VMIC is."


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agreed, ive had a few people ask me when i'm going to get a FMIC because they didn't notice my v-mount.

overheating= coolant seals=warping.
Old 12-13-06 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nuvolari
Just my experience

PFS SMIC, worked fine , but air intake temps were a issue . Nice and thick IC, but it had alot of heat soak issues.

Greddy 3row FMIC, I know removing the ac and ps helped alot, but engine temps are no longer a issue. Water sits at 180-185 in traffic on warm days. What makes my set up work, is I sealed the gaps on the rad to FMIC and run my fans 24/7 . I have enough air being sucked in that you can feel it when you walk past the FMIC .

I agree. I've tracked the car with FMIC and i've had no issues. DD i see approx 85c-95c water temps in traffic and when it starts moving temperature gets up to 85 and stays there. On track i see water temps up to 110c after hard runs all this with sealed gaps and vented hood. I also believe that by having my FMIC slightly deeper in helps by creating a dam which ensures air is pushed thru intercooler and rad.
Old 12-13-06 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by herblenny
Like I said, If I spot a V mount, I know the guy has money (2k vs 1k). Also typical that if someone has V mount, they have all the stuff mentioned above... maybe better quality stuff since they can afford 2+K IC. I've seen several fmic with stock rad and stock twins and *** under the hood. All the V mount set ups I've seen usually have upgraded rad and nicer stuff... why? people who could afford V mount could afford other "nicer" ****. Hence my point earlier. And personally, I don't think V mounts are that much harder to spot..
Oh I agree with you, and and yes the guy with the Vmount is most likely to have better quality parts. But RX7LINK conveyed exactly what I was trying to say:


Originally Posted by RX7LINK
RX-7 alone is a very eye catchy car.. FMIC does make the car catch even more attention

I would assume most people will not be able to recognize a VMIC unless they know RX-7s or are into cars enough to know what a VMIC is.

If they don't know what it is.. they're less likely to investigate
Whether a Vmount shows that rx7 is more hooked up it does not negate the fact that a FMIC shows (screams IMO) a certain level of modifications. But either way, my only point was is that if you have a FMIC people automatically know that you car is hooked up. That's all.
Old 12-13-06 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by montego
Whether a Vmount shows that rx7 is more hooked up it does not negate the fact that a FMIC shows (screams IMO) a certain level of modifications. But either way, my only point was is that if you have a FMIC people automatically know that you car is hooked up. That's all.
LOL! Ok. I agree with ya..
Old 12-14-06 | 02:53 AM
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stinking hot climate, countless meets, FMIC.... and still one japan's best 'street'-class weapons...

Old 12-14-06 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaiOni
stinking hot climate, countless meets, FMIC.... and still one japan's best 'street'-class weapons...
One crucial fact that you are missing: That hole which I encircled is there so that the radiator receives fresh air from the outside.


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Old 12-14-06 | 08:38 PM
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montego: how I am I missing that? it's plain to see. Furthermore, fujita has a recognised trademark with their fmic setups - they aren't that high, and the rad sits lower.
Old 12-15-06 | 01:20 PM
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I mean you did say that hole is nonfunctional correct? So the radiator receives NO FRESH air from that hole... By any chance you wouldn't happen to have a pic of the engine bay would you?

I am really curious to see how far down they put the radiator and as why they made that hole nonfuctional. Currently it does not make sense to me as to why they would do that, since radiators love fresh cool air and all. But I am sure a picture would explain it all.

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