FD V 2005 C6 Corvette
08-05-04 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Wrong! NO WAY a small bock 350 Chevy with 400 horses will do that, no way.
08-05-04 | 08:22 PM
#53
I knew that was coming. LSx engines are a good design that get much better mileage than I can achieve with my carbureted motor, that's for sure. That's why I'd like to have one. I don't have Jim's experience with the motor or probably half the sources to quote info from, but I do have several friends with them and they ALL make 25 mpg look bad.
08-05-04 | 08:40 PM
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geo, i didn't think this thread was going to turn into an economy run. we could all be driving Geos.
back to reality.
the new shrunken C6 is 10 inches longer than the FD... that's a plus and minus of course.
more profound is the 400 plus pounds of weight. weight is the enemy as to performance. it hurts braking, cornering and acceleration. it shreds brake pads and clutch discs. and 400 pounds is a ton... well, uh, figuratively.
i remember one year racing in SCCA GT3 when they put 100 pounds of weight on my car. it drove like the queen mary and it was situated as lead 4 inches from the track in the best spot.
during the FD development Mazda picked 2 engineering teams and assigned them with just one job. neither team could talk to each other. they worked for one year. their job: take weight out of the car... just look at the swiss cheese swaybar mounts. maybe even a little out of control?
most of that C6 weight is in the absolute worst place for performance, on the front tires. 1731 pounds to be exact. my FD, admittedly a bit modded has 1272 pounds on the front tires. guess whose front tires will be junk after a few laps?
as to performance. assuming you take the stock suspension geometries, tune them for maximum grip, springs shocks bushings and bars are free, engines are same block but unlimited prep i have no doubt that the FD will beat the C6 on any road course. it will weigh less, have less drag, it has an optimum suspension geometry and you can easily put 500 rwhp to the ground which is plenty of hp to do the job in a lighter more efficient chassis.
that's not a knock on the C6. it is a super car for the money. the FD was designed to be more performance oriented... a shrunken cockpit for less drag at a slight claustraphobic expense etc.
my only point as to starting the thread was that with all the ballyhoo as to the new corvette the FD still looks pretty good after 10 years and GM is moving (smaller/lighter) in our direction.
too bad the light assembly doesn't quite fit.
howard coleman
back to reality.
the new shrunken C6 is 10 inches longer than the FD... that's a plus and minus of course.
more profound is the 400 plus pounds of weight. weight is the enemy as to performance. it hurts braking, cornering and acceleration. it shreds brake pads and clutch discs. and 400 pounds is a ton... well, uh, figuratively.
i remember one year racing in SCCA GT3 when they put 100 pounds of weight on my car. it drove like the queen mary and it was situated as lead 4 inches from the track in the best spot.
during the FD development Mazda picked 2 engineering teams and assigned them with just one job. neither team could talk to each other. they worked for one year. their job: take weight out of the car... just look at the swiss cheese swaybar mounts. maybe even a little out of control?
most of that C6 weight is in the absolute worst place for performance, on the front tires. 1731 pounds to be exact. my FD, admittedly a bit modded has 1272 pounds on the front tires. guess whose front tires will be junk after a few laps?
as to performance. assuming you take the stock suspension geometries, tune them for maximum grip, springs shocks bushings and bars are free, engines are same block but unlimited prep i have no doubt that the FD will beat the C6 on any road course. it will weigh less, have less drag, it has an optimum suspension geometry and you can easily put 500 rwhp to the ground which is plenty of hp to do the job in a lighter more efficient chassis.
that's not a knock on the C6. it is a super car for the money. the FD was designed to be more performance oriented... a shrunken cockpit for less drag at a slight claustraphobic expense etc.
my only point as to starting the thread was that with all the ballyhoo as to the new corvette the FD still looks pretty good after 10 years and GM is moving (smaller/lighter) in our direction.
too bad the light assembly doesn't quite fit.
howard coleman
08-05-04 | 08:56 PM
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Check out this video about the C6.
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/To...orvette_lo.wmv
Ha! British ********.
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/To...orvette_lo.wmv
Ha! British ********.
08-05-04 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by howard coleman
my only point as to starting the thread was that with all the ballyhoo as to the new corvette the FD still looks pretty good after 10 years and GM is moving (smaller/lighter) in our direction.
08-05-04 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tkuwaha
I think with the introduction of C5 Z06(not the upcoming C6), the stock FD performance was surpassed pretty much in every category. As much as I like FD's, it has no chance against a C5 Z06 stock vs. stock on the street/drag strip/road course. Your analysis concentrates on the advantage of FD over the vette, but how about the other way around, such as torque? I think that's where the V8's have the biggest advantage over turbo rotaries. Just my two pennies.
Well you see the main factor in a road course race between the 2 cars would really depend on the driver. The hp doesnt matter if the driver knows the course like the back of his hand. If a perfect drift was initiated properly the FD could beat the C5 Z06 stock vs. stock
08-05-04 | 09:19 PM
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I have a 2002 z06 AND a 1993 single turbo Rx7 and I love both cars, but I have to say that the 7 will not keep up with the 6 in any catagory. That is stock for stock and even after all the mods on both.
Tom
Tom
08-05-04 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nycrx7
HMm.. good rear seats... I would go grab an STi or EVO .
4 door, econobox - with a damn stout engine. If I ever need a daily driver, I think Evo will be my first choice. Willl leave the luxury for the wife..er.. that si when I find one.
.4 door, econobox - with a damn stout engine. If I ever need a daily driver, I think Evo will be my first choice. Willl leave the luxury for the wife..er.. that si when I find one.
Why grab an EVO when you can get an OZ Rally for half the price and add a turbo and intercooler and have just as much hp and the EVO. maybe you dont get the EVO VII spoiler but you can alway add it at the purchase time.
08-05-04 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IntialD_Driver
If a perfect drift was initiated properly the FD could beat the C5 Z06 stock vs. stock
Also, if you think a stock FD could take a stock Z06, you'd better think again. I wouldn't usually resort to power to weight ratios, but in this case, it's ridiculous... 10.9:1 (255 horsepower, 2,800 lbs.) for the stock FD, 7.7:1 for the stock Z06 (405 horsepower, 3115 lbs.), and the Z06 has far more area under the curve. No contest whatsoever.
08-05-04 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You do know that drifting isn't the fastest way around a race track, right?
i think some of us should stop trying to be so defensive about owning an FD and reasons it is better than more updated sports cars. personally, i just didnt want leaf springs! ;P
08-05-04 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You do know that drifting isn't the fastest way around a race track, right?
Also, if you think a stock FD could take a stock Z06, you'd better think again. I wouldn't usually resort to power to weight ratios, but in this case, it's ridiculous... 10.9:1 (255 horsepower, 2,800 lbs.) for the stock FD, 7.7:1 for the stock Z06 (405 horsepower, 3115 lbs.), and the Z06 has far more area under the curve. No contest whatsoever.
Also, if you think a stock FD could take a stock Z06, you'd better think again. I wouldn't usually resort to power to weight ratios, but in this case, it's ridiculous... 10.9:1 (255 horsepower, 2,800 lbs.) for the stock FD, 7.7:1 for the stock Z06 (405 horsepower, 3115 lbs.), and the Z06 has far more area under the curve. No contest whatsoever.
Yes drifting isnt the fastest way around the track. but it was posted that the Z06 would beat the FD in any race including; drag and race track. Ok i bet a FD would kill a Z06 in a downhill race with hairpins now. That is a type of race commonly raced in Japan. With the tight cornering capabilities of the FD it could take a trun at a faster speed without too much oversteer and totally blow away a Z06. the Z06, at a fast speed, would oversteer too much and slide into the gaurd rails if taking a turn at the same speed os the FD because the fact of the weight. It would slide and not be able to be controlled.
08-05-04 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by IntialD_Driver
Yes drifting isnt the fastest way around the track. but it was posted that the Z06 would beat the FD in any race including; drag and race track. Ok i bet a FD would kill a Z06 in a downhill race with hairpins now. That is a type of race commonly raced in Japan. With the tight cornering capabilities of the FD it could take a trun at a faster speed without too much oversteer and totally blow away a Z06. the Z06, at a fast speed, would oversteer too much and slide into the gaurd rails if taking a turn at the same speed os the FD because the fact of the weight. It would slide and not be able to be controlled.
08-05-04 | 09:47 PM
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Im not being defensive by the way im just making the point I am an initail D driver i drift for the fun of it. I was born and raised in japan and i just moved here to the states. The downhill runs with consecutive hairpins are much more fun than a 1/4 mile race or top end race. It is more challenging. I just wanted to point that a Z06 with its leaf springs can not beat a FD stock vs stock in all kinds of racing. For those who have not done a downhill race you would not understand what i am talking about.
08-05-04 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Um, OK. Now go play in traffic, like a good newbie.
08-05-04 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by IntialD_Driver
Yes drifting isnt the fastest way around the track. but it was posted that the Z06 would beat the FD in any race including; drag and race track. Ok i bet a FD would kill a Z06 in a downhill race with hairpins now. That is a type of race commonly raced in Japan. With the tight cornering capabilities of the FD it could take a trun at a faster speed without too much oversteer and totally blow away a Z06. the Z06, at a fast speed, would oversteer too much and slide into the gaurd rails if taking a turn at the same speed os the FD because the fact of the weight. It would slide and not be able to be controlled.
08-05-04 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Exactly what makes you think a Z06 can't do tight turns or hairpins? Those are fairly common on AutoX courses which the Z06's are dominating right now.
Most AutoX courses are flat and i did say a DOWNHILL race with hairpins and tight cornering
08-05-04 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Exactly what makes you think a Z06 can't do tight turns or hairpins? Those are fairly common on AutoX courses which the Z06's are dominating right now.
08-05-04 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by howard coleman
my only point as to starting the thread was that with all the ballyhoo as to the new corvette the FD still looks pretty good after 10 years and GM is moving (smaller/lighter) in our direction.
08-05-04 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IntialD_Driver
Most AutoX courses are flat and i did say a DOWNHILL race with hairpins and tight cornering
I can see this turning into another "the Supra can't turn" type threads...
