Engine torque brace (damper design)
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Ron K Miller. Just a note , Garfinkle has a 1990 BMW K1 ,the 16 valve go fast, not a k 100. It does not have a steering damper . interesting but only 600lbs , 155 mph ,still stock
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Originally posted by RonKMiller
Damned if I can figure out why someone would pay $200 for what amounts to a 3rd motor mount installed in a position that was NEVER designed for it. Give the Mazda engineers some credit. Even if they did blow it on a few points......
Damned if I can figure out why someone would pay $200 for what amounts to a 3rd motor mount installed in a position that was NEVER designed for it. Give the Mazda engineers some credit. Even if they did blow it on a few points......
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Originally posted by Shinobi-X
I see, but my experiences with bushings, heat, and absorbing vibration hasn't been exactly fun. I see what you are saying though. If you remember, let me (us) know how it works out for you.
I see, but my experiences with bushings, heat, and absorbing vibration hasn't been exactly fun. I see what you are saying though. If you remember, let me (us) know how it works out for you.
the thing you were talking about with putting a rubber piece behind the fender mount. that wont do too much to help you. what happens when you do that iiiiiiiiis, you compress the rubber slab to the point at which it will no longer dampen. so all you have done is make a thicker mount. . . with some ugly rubber bulging from the sides. the garfinkle unit works. . . its by-far the best bang for the buck (in my opinion, superior to all others) ETB on the rx7 market today.
paul
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Originally posted by damian
just my 2 cents, ... if you upgrade your motor mounts you will no longer need a t-brace.... i was going to get a t-brace and upgrade the mounts, but after doing the DIY urehtane mounts my engine does not move at all...no need for a t-brace and no worries about putting force on the area that was not designed for it.
here is the thread of the DIY mounts:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...ghlight=mounts
just my 2 cents, ... if you upgrade your motor mounts you will no longer need a t-brace.... i was going to get a t-brace and upgrade the mounts, but after doing the DIY urehtane mounts my engine does not move at all...no need for a t-brace and no worries about putting force on the area that was not designed for it.
here is the thread of the DIY mounts:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...ghlight=mounts
paul
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it has been explained several times. . . putting a rubber piece between the mounting bracket and the fender wall compresses the rubber slab. the bolts you use tighten down on the the rubber. . . IT DOESNT WORK AS A DAMPER AFTER THAT. the garfinkle piece uses bushings and a link correctly sized to the distance from the fender to the UIM and if the engine sits further back or forward the link will be made accordingly. . . like mine.
paul
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I have been using the brace I sell for a while. NO Vibration. Does a great job.
""piece uses bushings and a link correctly sized to the distance from the fender to the UIM and if the engine sits further back or forward the link will be made accordingly""
I dont understand when you say "will be made accordingly". Is this something you adjust on the car if the motor is further back?
Jason
""piece uses bushings and a link correctly sized to the distance from the fender to the UIM and if the engine sits further back or forward the link will be made accordingly""
I dont understand when you say "will be made accordingly". Is this something you adjust on the car if the motor is further back?
Jason
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Originally posted by Shinobi-X
damian,
My motor mounts are relatively new, so the brace is being taken as a measure to preserve those mounts etc (for now at least). You make a good point though, and after reading that thread, I believe I will look into some urethane motor mounts down the line- the best part being I can make them myself. At the end of the thread, you posted some updates on the feel/vibration with the mounts, are they still accurate? https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...s&pagenumber=4
Thanks for the heads-up.
damian,
My motor mounts are relatively new, so the brace is being taken as a measure to preserve those mounts etc (for now at least). You make a good point though, and after reading that thread, I believe I will look into some urethane motor mounts down the line- the best part being I can make them myself. At the end of the thread, you posted some updates on the feel/vibration with the mounts, are they still accurate? https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...s&pagenumber=4
Thanks for the heads-up.
the DIY urethane mounts have been kick azz, another (and very picky) local fd guy drove mine and wants to do the same mod to reduce shifting slope, ..... and now i dont even notice any vibration and the engine is solid as a rock in there when i rev it up, feels great at the track too. i think if i were to install stock mounts i would do a t-brace to mitigate the extra movement the stockers allow
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
how about this for a reason. . . 2 points create a line, while 3 points create a plane. which one do you think moves less?
paul
how about this for a reason. . . 2 points create a line, while 3 points create a plane. which one do you think moves less?
paul
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Originally posted by tmiked
Has anyone used this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424497880
?????
Has anyone used this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424497880
?????
"Not only will it reduce wheel hop but it will also extend many parts of your car such as your exhaust system, as the damper will take the violent jolts that will eventually wear out your exhaust systems joints. "
I've been VERY concerned about my "exhaust system joints" lately.
Next thing will be horsepower claims.
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Why the flame ?
Is not BS, possibly hype. Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting is one reason for buying one. My cat use to bang the underside on hard shifts.
I was just asking if we had any users of this particular product.
Is not BS, possibly hype. Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting is one reason for buying one. My cat use to bang the underside on hard shifts.
I was just asking if we had any users of this particular product.
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He isn't flaming you. He is flaming the description used for the particular product.
Exhaust systems don't have "joints". They have hangers which connect to the car via "rubber donuts" or "exhaust hangers".
Some exhaust systems do utilize flex joints. But, for the FD, I have never seen an exhaust system utilize a "flex joint" (but I could be wrong).
Your exhaust system issue is possibly due to old rubber exhaust hangers, or bad motor/tranny mounts, or ...just plain bad fitment.
Also, "Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting"...I have no idea what you just said.
Exhaust systems don't have "joints". They have hangers which connect to the car via "rubber donuts" or "exhaust hangers".
Some exhaust systems do utilize flex joints. But, for the FD, I have never seen an exhaust system utilize a "flex joint" (but I could be wrong).
Your exhaust system issue is possibly due to old rubber exhaust hangers, or bad motor/tranny mounts, or ...just plain bad fitment.
Also, "Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting"...I have no idea what you just said.
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My exhaust system has 4 joints.
Did you smoke all of yours.
joints = connections = every place you have a gasket
My issue was due to a DP that was not perfect. Almost impossible to fix except by replacement. The torque brace reduces the range of motion of the engine. This keep things from bumping things they shouldn't. Those bumps put big loads on the parts. (I used smaller words just for you ).
Ron is the guy that doesnt uderstand how the brace helps in the first place, so I should have realized it is hopeless.
My hangers were all new BTW.
Did you smoke all of yours.
joints = connections = every place you have a gasket
My issue was due to a DP that was not perfect. Almost impossible to fix except by replacement. The torque brace reduces the range of motion of the engine. This keep things from bumping things they shouldn't. Those bumps put big loads on the parts. (I used smaller words just for you ).
Ron is the guy that doesnt uderstand how the brace helps in the first place, so I should have realized it is hopeless.
My hangers were all new BTW.
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I've had the garfinkle brace on my car for about 6 months and love it, as paul said, the link is custom sized for your car....bottom line is the thing works
upgraded motor mounts are a great idea, but I didn't feel like installing them and this brace should preserve my stockers indefinitely
upgraded motor mounts are a great idea, but I didn't feel like installing them and this brace should preserve my stockers indefinitely
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Originally posted by Jason
I have been using the brace I sell for a while. NO Vibration. Does a great job.
""piece uses bushings and a link correctly sized to the distance from the fender to the UIM and if the engine sits further back or forward the link will be made accordingly""
I dont understand when you say "will be made accordingly". Is this something you adjust on the car if the motor is further back?
Jason
I have been using the brace I sell for a while. NO Vibration. Does a great job.
""piece uses bushings and a link correctly sized to the distance from the fender to the UIM and if the engine sits further back or forward the link will be made accordingly""
I dont understand when you say "will be made accordingly". Is this something you adjust on the car if the motor is further back?
Jason
Originally posted by Jason
I sure hope Garfinkle has donated to this forum for all the braces he has sold and the amount of advertising you do for him.
Jason
I sure hope Garfinkle has donated to this forum for all the braces he has sold and the amount of advertising you do for him.
Jason
Last edited by JimmyJimboJet; 07-21-03 at 10:32 AM.
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Originally posted by tmiked
Why the flame ?
Is not BS, possibly hype. Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting is one reason for buying one. My cat use to bang the underside on hard shifts.
I was just asking if we had any users of this particular product.
Why the flame ?
Is not BS, possibly hype. Reducing the excursion of the exhaust system when shifting is one reason for buying one. My cat use to bang the underside on hard shifts.
I was just asking if we had any users of this particular product.
About the ONLY thing anyone has ever claimed is that is tightens up the shifting (which it does). If your motor mounts are worn out you could put a stick in between the frame and engine and it would help. Hmmm. maybe I'll go down and get a nice 1" dowel at ACE,some aluminum spray paint and a couple of bolts, and sell it on Ebay for $50.00!!
In my book, BS = hype = wild claims.
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