EBay Engine Torque Damper
06-16-07, 10:31 AM
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EBay Engine Torque Damper
So I decided to buy one of these since I figured I need something to do with my free time and would like to stiffen up my drivetrain a little bit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...B:EOIBSA:MT:11
That is the exact one I bought...
I recieved it yesterday, looked nice! I decided to mount up the plate to the body and the UIM. The shock doesn't clear the ABS unit bolt... So after messing around with it and finally figured out how to get it mounted, I had to cut the bracket that mounts to the body, move it towards the shock tower and drill a new hole. So now it is bolted to the 2 out of 3 holes, I had to remove the nut that locks down the swivel or the holes would not line up. I did attempt to test this shock in a very large clamp I have it is VERY STIFF, but it does move a little.
Test Drive... It does feel a lot better driving, 3rd gear is much easier now and I mean MUCH EASIER! Before it would feel like it would move to the right, now it's solid and easy!
I am very happy with this part even though I did have to modify it for it to work, I didn't expect much since it was a ebay item, figured I would give it a shot and I am glad I did.
I can post pictures if you guys want? Just let me know...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...B:EOIBSA:MT:11
That is the exact one I bought...
I recieved it yesterday, looked nice! I decided to mount up the plate to the body and the UIM. The shock doesn't clear the ABS unit bolt... So after messing around with it and finally figured out how to get it mounted, I had to cut the bracket that mounts to the body, move it towards the shock tower and drill a new hole. So now it is bolted to the 2 out of 3 holes, I had to remove the nut that locks down the swivel or the holes would not line up. I did attempt to test this shock in a very large clamp I have it is VERY STIFF, but it does move a little.
Test Drive... It does feel a lot better driving, 3rd gear is much easier now and I mean MUCH EASIER! Before it would feel like it would move to the right, now it's solid and easy!
I am very happy with this part even though I did have to modify it for it to work, I didn't expect much since it was a ebay item, figured I would give it a shot and I am glad I did.
I can post pictures if you guys want? Just let me know...
06-16-07, 11:38 AM
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i have a similar one, but mine has a different mounting bracket.
this style is a knock-off FEED engine damper. it looks like the one you bought has the same mounting bracket as the FEED damper that i had. one bit of advice - you might want to mount some rubber washers between the mount and the side of the engine bay where you bolt it up. i noticed that at idle the damper would sometimes vibrate...putting a rubber washer between the engine bay wall & the damper mount seemed to fix this vibration.
you may not have any problems though...it could have been specific to my car.
here are pics of the FEED damper:
in my current FD, i have an eBay damper (like you bought) but with a different mounting plate. it seems ones on ebay are the exact same as the FEED so i'm sure they get the job done just as well.
it's hard to see, but this is as picture of my current FD with the torque damper off eBay. mine is silver:
this style is a knock-off FEED engine damper. it looks like the one you bought has the same mounting bracket as the FEED damper that i had. one bit of advice - you might want to mount some rubber washers between the mount and the side of the engine bay where you bolt it up. i noticed that at idle the damper would sometimes vibrate...putting a rubber washer between the engine bay wall & the damper mount seemed to fix this vibration.
you may not have any problems though...it could have been specific to my car.
here are pics of the FEED damper:
in my current FD, i have an eBay damper (like you bought) but with a different mounting plate. it seems ones on ebay are the exact same as the FEED so i'm sure they get the job done just as well.
it's hard to see, but this is as picture of my current FD with the torque damper off eBay. mine is silver:
06-16-07, 12:24 PM
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I really dont ever see the need for a torque damper for the rotary.... becuase of the rotation of the rotors, the rotary has the least vibration compared to other engines. Therefore there really should be a need for it unless you just want to dress up your enginebay.
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
06-16-07, 12:46 PM
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I really dont ever see the need for a torque damper for the rotary.... becuase of the rotation of the rotors, the rotary has the least vibration compared to other engines. Therefore there really should be a need for it unless you just want to dress up your enginebay.
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
Washers... Ugh I wish I would of thought of that (haha) I just said screw this im cutting this and making a new hole because I was afraid of the shock hitting the hood and am kind of afraid to let the shock point upwards because I dont know how much force is being put on the bracket and dont want it to strip it out...
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06-16-07, 12:46 PM
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I really dont ever see the need for a torque damper for the rotary.... becuase of the rotation of the rotors, the rotary has the least vibration compared to other engines. Therefore there really should be a need for it unless you just want to dress up your enginebay.
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
Sorry for thread jack. just my $0.02
06-16-07, 01:32 PM
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Not trying to bash the product or buy... just letting you guys know.
06-16-07, 01:48 PM
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Still... because of the rotations of the rotors, and that theyre offset.. bascially balances itself out because theres equal force on the 6 points in the engine...... um the closest example i can give is imagine a shape like the jewish star (and the rotors are respresented by the 2 tiangles on top of eachother that makes the jewish star) but one triangle is behind the other... its perfectly offset. So when the eccentric shaft and rotors turn... the 6 "edges" or points of the rotors exert the same amount of forced distributed pefectly.
Not trying to bash the product or buy... just letting you guys know.
Not trying to bash the product or buy... just letting you guys know.
http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgea..._Torque_Effect
Torque effect is the influence of engine torque on aircraft movement and control. It is generally exhibited as a left turning tendency in piston single engine propeller driven aircraft.
According to Newton's law, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," such that the propeller, if turning clockwise (when viewed from the cockpit), imparts a tendency for the aircraft to rotate counterclockwise. Since most single engine aircraft have propellers rotating clockwise, they rotate to the left, pushing the left wing down.
On aircraft with contrarotating propellers (propellers that rotate in opposite directions) the torque from the two propellers cancel each other out, so that no compensation is needed.
According to Newton's law, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," such that the propeller, if turning clockwise (when viewed from the cockpit), imparts a tendency for the aircraft to rotate counterclockwise. Since most single engine aircraft have propellers rotating clockwise, they rotate to the left, pushing the left wing down.
On aircraft with contrarotating propellers (propellers that rotate in opposite directions) the torque from the two propellers cancel each other out, so that no compensation is needed.
the torque brace helps. i was doubtful before i installed mine, but you can really feel the difference. try it for yourself and see.
03-21-08, 11:15 AM
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Ehhhh, I know this thread is almost a year old but I couldn't help it... So you guys don't think a torque damper or brace do anything? Are you kidding? I hate to say this but you guys are completely out of your minds.
For those who are reading this thread for considerations of doing this mod (brace or damper) - the motor TWISTS, the tranny twists, the propeller/drive shaft twists. Doing this mod properly would not only positively affect reliability and longevity of the mechanical components in your drivetrain but also return superb response and feel.
Even the original poster was able to observe immediate improvement. In any case, just wanted to add this for the pips that are looking at this mod... not to bash anyone's comments.
Speaking of the original poster, care to comment on this mod at this point in time, almost a year later?
cheers!
For those who are reading this thread for considerations of doing this mod (brace or damper) - the motor TWISTS, the tranny twists, the propeller/drive shaft twists. Doing this mod properly would not only positively affect reliability and longevity of the mechanical components in your drivetrain but also return superb response and feel.
Even the original poster was able to observe immediate improvement. In any case, just wanted to add this for the pips that are looking at this mod... not to bash anyone's comments.
Speaking of the original poster, care to comment on this mod at this point in time, almost a year later?
cheers!
03-21-08, 11:41 AM
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Ehhhh, I know this thread is almost a year old but I couldn't help it... So you guys don't think a torque damper or brace do anything? Are you kidding? I hate to say this but you guys are completely out of your minds.
For those who are reading this thread for considerations of doing this mod (brace or damper) - the motor TWISTS, the tranny twists, the propeller/drive shaft twists. Doing this mod properly would not only positively affect reliability and longevity of the mechanical components in your drivetrain but also return superb response and feel.
Even the original poster was able to observe immediate improvement. In any case, just wanted to add this for the pips that are looking at this mod... not to bash anyone's comments.
Speaking of the original poster, care to comment on this mod at this point in time, almost a year later?
cheers!
For those who are reading this thread for considerations of doing this mod (brace or damper) - the motor TWISTS, the tranny twists, the propeller/drive shaft twists. Doing this mod properly would not only positively affect reliability and longevity of the mechanical components in your drivetrain but also return superb response and feel.
Even the original poster was able to observe immediate improvement. In any case, just wanted to add this for the pips that are looking at this mod... not to bash anyone's comments.
Speaking of the original poster, care to comment on this mod at this point in time, almost a year later?
cheers!
03-21-08, 11:53 AM
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I got rid of mine. Too much in cabin vibration (and I have a diff brace and a full 4 inch exhaust). I'm not a big fan......it's a decent bandaid mod I suppose. I havent missed it once.
For cars equipped with a diff brace and poly motor mounts, I don't think it's necessary at all. For a car with no drivetrain bracing at all, it makes some sense.
For cars equipped with a diff brace and poly motor mounts, I don't think it's necessary at all. For a car with no drivetrain bracing at all, it makes some sense.
03-21-08, 03:59 PM
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If anyone experiences vibration from this item. You can try and use a rubber washer, I am sure it will help greatly if you are experiencing this problem.
I would love to do a bushing overhaul including diff and motor mounts also struts, tie rods and trailing arms.
Maybe some springs to, lets say I start spinning the tires, the car feels like it wants to spin around.
My FC's would never do this, they could spin and spin and I had no problem in keeping them going straight.
I would love for my FD to feel the same way, my car has 66k. I believe everything is still original and OEM, I should defiantly feel a improvement when I upgrade these items.
I would love to do a bushing overhaul including diff and motor mounts also struts, tie rods and trailing arms.
Maybe some springs to, lets say I start spinning the tires, the car feels like it wants to spin around.
My FC's would never do this, they could spin and spin and I had no problem in keeping them going straight.
I would love for my FD to feel the same way, my car has 66k. I believe everything is still original and OEM, I should defiantly feel a improvement when I upgrade these items.
03-21-08, 04:16 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda...3756.m20.l1116
is this similar to what you bought? im wondering if they made updates to them so they fit without issues.
is this similar to what you bought? im wondering if they made updates to them so they fit without issues.
03-21-08, 04:32 PM
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skir2222 - you're right about the rubber washer - unless there is a buffer between the motor and the chassis then any vibration from the motor (and there is plenty) is simply passed on to your chassis. So IMHO, rubber washer is a must.
ArmenMaxx - that's the one. A lot of people shy away from ebay items when it comes to FDs (unless it's a used and someone getting rid of stuff) but in this case, this is actually a pretty safe buy.
A buddy of mine just got his from speedyracer and is cursing himself for not doing this earlier. It's stiff as hell and his silver color looks close to OEM. It's a pretty safe mod but there is going to be some "mitigation" involved - check out the above posts before proceeding. If you know your way with tools this should be piece of cake.
Good Friday time!
ArmenMaxx - that's the one. A lot of people shy away from ebay items when it comes to FDs (unless it's a used and someone getting rid of stuff) but in this case, this is actually a pretty safe buy.
A buddy of mine just got his from speedyracer and is cursing himself for not doing this earlier. It's stiff as hell and his silver color looks close to OEM. It's a pretty safe mod but there is going to be some "mitigation" involved - check out the above posts before proceeding. If you know your way with tools this should be piece of cake.
Good Friday time!
03-21-08, 04:36 PM
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Install is very easy, it's a very simple item so like TypeFD said, it's a safe buy. You will not regret it. If your shifter feels like it moves when your heavy on the throttle, this is a great item to get to remedy that. That's the reason why I got it, my shifter would feel like it would move to the right when under throttle. After the install, it felt solid, no movement at all when shifting.
