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Old 10-05-15 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Narfle
Because of the shallow housings, sleeklights will always have close range lighting issues. It's effectively high beam pattern with low beam intensity.
Yours are better because they rise out of the housing for a better angle of attack. They don't do that for aesthetics; it was done intentionally to try and mitigate this inevitable issue.
It also allows for more space with the desogn of his headlights. Similar to the frog ones (from bear?)
Old 10-06-15 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Narfle
Because of the shallow housings, sleeklights will always have close range lighting issues. It's effectively high beam pattern with low beam intensity.
Yours are better because they rise out of the housing for a better angle of attack. They don't do that for aesthetics; it was done intentionally to try and mitigate this inevitable issue.
Projectors are leagues ahead of foglights.
Sleek lights can have good lighting but all of them are made just for looks. I have done the measurements it is very possible to put full size projectors in there.
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Originally Posted by turboIIrotary
Sleek lights can have good lighting but all of them are made just for looks. I have done the measurements it is very possible to put full size projectors in there.
I think the issue is, in part, not a physical size/space problem within the bucket area, but the fact that the area is so shallow that the front of the bucket area (and top of the bumper) interferes with the light projection/patter a little bit, i.e.: would keep light from reaching the low area in front of the car (not that pop ups, even low-profile ones, locate the lights at the front vs. rear of the bucket).... I'm not sure how much it really affects it though.
Old 10-06-15 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by turboIIrotary
Sleek lights can have good lighting but all of them are made just for looks. I have done the measurements it is very possible to put full size projectors in there.
I am interested to know what projectors you believe/have found fit in the space that fit the following (my preferences of course):
  1. without cutting into the car.
  2. don't end up like the frog housings or the CW lenses.
  3. fit so that the lens would still taper like the RE lens does.
  4. the projector themselves not requiring modification.

Like others, I've been heavily looking into this and I have only found 2 projectors that satisfy those requirements barely. Maybe 4 if requirement 4 isn't considered, but even then they're still low beams only.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
I think the issue is, in part, not a physical size/space problem within the bucket area, but the fact that the area is so shallow that the front of the bucket area (and top of the bumper) interferes with the light projection/patter a little bit, i.e.: would keep light from reaching the low area in front of the car (not that pop ups, even low-profile ones, locate the lights at the front vs. rear of the bucket).... I'm not sure how much it really affects it though.
If I am understanding your post. I think if someone really wanted to go this route and had that issue, I think the low areas be back filled with fog lights in either the usual location or retrofit into the 99spec style turn signal housing.
Old 10-06-15 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Narfle
Yours are better because they rise out of the housing for a better angle of attack. They don't do that for aesthetics; it was done intentionally to try and mitigate this inevitable issue.
Projectors are leagues ahead of foglights.
Agreed. But yeah they aren't as apealing as the RE's for sure but damn lighting is top notch and didn't really have to cut into the car very much (which was the reason I did not go with rotary extreme's version)


Originally Posted by Narfle
Because of the shallow housings, sleeklights will always have close range lighting issues. It's effectively high beam pattern with low beam intensity.
Its been way too long but I remember that Chuck (rotary extreme founder) posted pictures of his light pattern and it looked very good. Take that as a grain of salt though... However I did find this:

Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
The headlight kit will be available around May 31st. The carbon fiber version will be made to order. It takes about 1 week to finish after you place an order.

The HID options are the authentic Hella HID lights. Each light is $500 on top of the cost of the light kit. For example, if you want all the low beams to be HID for the fiberglass housing version, it's $850 + $500x2 = $1850. If you want both low beam and high beam to be HID, it's $850+ $500x4= $2850. I will try to find cheaper HID alternatives but the authentic Hella should work the best.

Chuck Huang
and from an old thread where he posted his beam pattern:

Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
I finally got time to finish my HID sleek headlight kit. The beam pattern is amazing and the intensity of the lights are just as good as any other German factory equipment HID. It's no surprise since Hella does a lot of OEM for German auto manufacturers. Below are some photos:









For comparision purpose, I also took pictures of the GS400 HID and the BMW 330i HID. You can tell the HID sleek light kit I got is about the same or even better than the BMW 330i HID and a lot better than the GS400 HID. Flash on the camera takes away the true color of HID but you can still compare the intensity and beam pattern.







I will have video of the actual driving with the HID headlight kit uploaded on my website within 1-2 days.

Chuck Huang
Obviously the pictures don't work anymore but given the positive reactions is a clear indicator:

Originally Posted by JSpecRZ
Great work Chuck.. Finally something finished and PROVEN!!!
Originally Posted by jimlab
Great job, Chuck. Looks like you've solved the lighting problems of the RE kit. Congratulations.
^^ especially from jimlab. If you recall he was/is rather critical on topics such as these.

Taken from here:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...05/#post802054

But anyway Chuck's wasn't problem free either. IIRC the projector mounting and the plexiglass did not look nearly as professional as the RE amemiya's that he copied. and ultimately easthetically did look like an RE knockoff (though functially was better)



Originally Posted by renjiv2
It also allows for more space with the desogn of his headlights. Similar to the frog ones (from bear?)
East bear is NOT the frog eyes. Though similar that bubbled height makes all of the difference in the world:




Cheap ebay "frog eyes":



Here is something related to the subject:
Light Upgrades


Originally Posted by renjiv2
I am interested to know what projectors you believe/have found fit in the space that fit the following (my preferences of course):
  1. without cutting into the car.
  2. don't end up like the frog housings or the CW lenses.
[*]fit so that the lens would still taper like the RE lens does. [*]the projector themselves not requiring modification.[/LIST]
Like others, I've been heavily looking into this and I have only found 2 projectors that satisfy those requirements barely. Maybe 4 if requirement 4 isn't considered, but even then they're still low beams only.
That is a tall order and just like anything in life there is no free lunch.
  1. without cutting into the car.
  2. don't end up like the frog housings or the CW lenses.

    ^^ That leaves out any type of projector that fits at the rear of the buckets (RE style)

  3. fit so that the lens would still taper like the RE lens does.

    You are looking at evo-r style

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  4. the projector themselves not requiring modification.

Seems to me that you should go with Evo-R and find a projector and mount it accordingly. Actually in second thought the evor-r have been known to have fitment issues so you should look into going wiuth an RE/Evo-R hybrid and outsource your projectors and mount them accordingly.


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Old 10-06-15 | 02:00 PM
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I was merely asking for examples. I know it is a tall order. But when I see someone state there are projectors that fit, I want to know what "fit" means to them. For example, your style headlights would require a different idea of what fits in the housing because you essentially have more vertical space since it exceeds the body line.

I've already tried EVO-R. my recommendation....don't recommend that ever. lol.
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Originally Posted by renjiv2
I was merely asking for examples. I know it is a tall order. But when I see someone state there are projectors that fit, I want to know what "fit" means to them. For example, your style headlights would require a different idea of what fits in the housing because you essentially have more vertical space since it exceeds the body line.

I've already tried EVO-R. my recommendation....don't recommend that ever. lol.
No I get you. I was just stating the obvious because if it was simple to accomplish that kit would had been made by now.

I ended up with a somewhere in between of RE amemiya and frog eyes. The lights don't sit as low as the RE's which meant very little cutting. But because of the cutting they still sit much lower than the frog eyes. No free lunch for me...





meh. What is there to do?
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Find me a set of sleek lights that has better than oem light output and i'm all over them. All of the ones i've seen have worse visibility.
Kevin Doe's setup is pretty bad *** with led tho. His are only in the turn signal area. Perfect for the "lower front" part of the car that usually gets cut off by an RE style kit. http://www.norotors.com/index.php?to...5550#msg285550
Compliment that with a sleek light kit for "higher up" lighting and you have the best of both worlds IMO.

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Old 10-10-15 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wthx100
Find me a set of sleek lights that has better than oem light output and i'm all over them. All of the ones i've seen have worse visibility.

read post 31.

PS the stock output sucks meaning its not that hard to surpass it.
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Originally Posted by wthx100
Find me a set of sleek lights that has better than oem light output and i'm all over them. All of the ones i've seen have worse visibility.
Kevin Doe's setup is pretty bad *** with led tho. His are only in the turn signal area. Perfect for the "lower front" part of the car that usually gets cut off by an RE style kit. http://www.norotors.com/index.php?to...5550#msg285550
Compliment that with a sleek light kit for "higher up" lighting and you have the best of both worlds IMO.

It would be cool if you could just place the headlights into the turn signals (93 or 99), but, even if you did invest in the optics to make them road friendly (have a cutoff), they would be too low to pass inspection. Fed regulation says the center of the headlight can be no lower than 22".
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The evo-r's still look like dog anus. At this point the re-anemya's are the best looking that i've seen. I wish someone would do a LED version with perhaps a glass cover.
Has anyone made led optics for the 99 lights? That for real lighting plus the RE's to meet the 22-24 inch whatever regulation would be ideal for me.
Originally Posted by Montego
read post 31.

PS the stock output sucks meaning its not that hard to surpass it.

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Originally Posted by wthx100
The evo-r's still look like dog anus. At this point the re-anemya's are the best looking that i've seen. I wish someone would do a LED version with perhaps a glass cover.
Has anyone made led optics for the 99 lights? That for real lighting plus the RE's to meet the 22-24 inch whatever regulation would be ideal for me.
If I had some RE amemiya I would totally make that happen I have a couple of led projectors that should "fit" I just don't have the buckets to confirm.
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Well you could start with 99 led lights The thing that worries me about the RE is the plastic getting scratched up looking like *** with no ability to get replacements. Would be amazing to have someone stateside make the mold/cover(preferably glass) and leave the led to us.
Originally Posted by turboIIrotary
If I had some RE amemiya I would totally make that happen I have a couple of led projectors that should "fit" I just don't have the buckets to confirm.

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Well you could start with 99 led lights The thing that worries me about the RE is the plastic getting scratched up looking like *** with no ability to get replacements. Would be amazing to have someone stateside make the mold/cover(preferably glass) and leave the led to us.
Looks like the lens is fairly flat so making replacements shouldn't be hard. Glass would be worse and would most likely crack considering the placement of the lights are at the front edge of the hood.
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Originally Posted by wthx100
The evo-r's still look like dog anus. At this point the re-anemya's are the best looking that i've seen. I wish someone would do a LED version with perhaps a glass cover.
Has anyone made led optics for the 99 lights? That for real lighting plus the RE's to meet the 22-24 inch whatever regulation would be ideal for me.
I wasn't referring to evo-r's. Rotary extremes headlight kit addressed the lighting issues of the amemiyas, I thought that post was very clear but I guess not

As far a replacing lexans I would purchase evo-r's covers and swap them accordingly.

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Old 10-13-15 | 09:56 PM
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When an OEM LED retrofit that peeps through a couple inch slit in the front of an otherwise stock looking headlight cover is available I will be all over that.
Was looking at Acura MDX LED lights and they are about 13" wide, too much for the FD.
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Old 10-20-15 | 07:18 PM
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I went with these evo r covers with massive lenses
Only reason is one of my popup stoped working

And i love the sleek look
And the bat haaa

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all the racers that run at night switched to LED's, years ago. you get more light in a smaller housing (most just run a strip across the hood). i wouldn't bother with HID stuff.
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
all the racers that run at night switched to LED's, years ago. you get more light in a smaller housing (most just run a strip across the hood). i wouldn't bother with HID stuff.
Led strip as a headlight? That would be worse than the fog lights already in the sleeks.
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here's a pic, works great
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Those are light bars and unless you are on a track or off road you will get a ticket pretty fast if you have those in place of headlights.

I live in the country and almost every big truck has those on them and sometime they forget to turn them off and get busted by the police. They are extremely bright but have no cutoff it is just a giant blob of light.
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With promising HID lighting, we can finally retro fit some reanemiya's to look good AND produce enough light! I can't wait!


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