DAN SCHECHTERS 38psi Dyno Video ~~~~~
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06-21-06, 12:14 PM
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FYI, I don't really expect the motor to hold up all day at a road coarse, and I (or anyone else) never said it would. You don't seem to realize that the car is built for Drag Racing, NOT for Watkins Glen. If it was built for Watkins Glen, it would be a completely different setup. I think 38psi on a motor would be the least of my worries at Watkins Glen, considering the car has a locking diff, pizza cutters up front, a sumped tank, and I couldn't even get traction in the first place! Don't be knocking on cars for a specific type of racing, when they are not built for that in the first place! I don't come around talking **** about how slow your car runs on the drag strip, if it's built for a road coarse. You get what I'm saying?
Originally Posted by Jack
OH REALLY !!! Well I will be at Watkins Glen this summer, in fact, look at any of the BMW. Trackmaster, or Ferrari events I Instruct with them all. You sign up for an event, you RUN 38 PSI ALL DAY IN 80-90f HEAT if your motor does not blow due to MAJOR OVERHEATING, I will pay for your entry fee. OBTW... I will make sure I'm your instuctor... Also make sure you bring a trailer to tow your car home...
06-21-06, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Schechter
FYI, I don't really expect the motor to hold up all day at a road coarse, and I (or anyone else) never said it would. You don't seem to realize that the car is built for Drag Racing, NOT for Watkins Glen. If it was built for Watkins Glen, it would be a completely different setup. I think 38psi on a motor would be the least of my worries at Watkins Glen, considering the car has a locking diff, pizza cutters up front, a sumped tank, and I couldn't even get traction in the first place! Don't be knocking on cars for a specific type of racing, when they are not built for that in the first place! I don't come around talking **** about how slow your car runs on the drag strip, if it's built for a road coarse. You get what I'm saying?
First off my comments were never directed at you, and stand corrected if you felt offened. Your right the road race community has differnt priority's HP is only one of them. I could comment further however I will take the higher road and respect your intention of your thread.
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06-21-06, 02:15 PM
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I'm sorry to jump down your throat if they weren't direct.
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06-21-06, 02:29 PM
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Dan.............. Jack sent me a PM. He thinks that I own your car. I let him know that it's not my car and it's yours. Here is what he had to say.
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
06-21-06, 05:22 PM
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I think both Jack and Dan are 100% correct. No sense in turning this into a road race/drag race argument when there's really nothing to argue about 
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P.S. Dan, that video is completely sick. Do I spy Mr. Ott behind the wheel?
.P.S. Dan, that video is completely sick. Do I spy Mr. Ott behind the wheel?
06-21-06, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
P.S. Dan, that video is completely sick. Do I spy Mr. Ott behind the wheel?
LOL! Whoops. He still loves this part.
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06-22-06, 03:35 AM
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My invitation for Watkins Glen is extended to you also. Any experienced Rx7 "Track" guys will tell you, running over 30+ psi on a road course flat out in the summer will send your water and oil temps through the roof. But I guess "some people just have no clue"....
Some of us spend our time developing stuff that really works and have gone past the 'help sections' on the foums.
06-22-06, 03:52 AM
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Dan.............. Jack sent me a PM. He thinks that I own your car. I let him know that it's not my car and it's yours. Here is what he had to say.
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
I love people that believe if I can't do it then no one else can.
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Originally Posted by crispeed
At least he has some text book/internet tuning clues but no idea how to manage and apply a measly 15 to 18 psi. BINGO! Tuning is only just a part of the big picture. Like I said before some of us have gone past that level allready. I guess all the Japanese rotary gurus one of which is the king of suspension setup and 400 + rwhp road racing FC's and FD's have been doing that for the last 15yrs with some type of black magic.
I love people that believe if I can't do it then no one else can.
I love people that believe if I can't do it then no one else can.
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06-22-06, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack
And MOST importantly, I will respect the intention and success of Dan's endeavor however, please refrain from commentary on road course preparation due to.. dare I say it...you have no.....nah...I wouldn't want to be that RUDE to you....
I'll give you credit there Jack, but you don't understand that Cris's background is originally from the world or Rally Racing. Full Blown WRC style rally racing. They raced on dirt, rocks, aspalt, mud, etc. at full speed the entire time.
He wasn't just the Builder either. He was the Builder, the Tuner, Fabricator, Owner and Driver. Back in the day, he put everybody back on the bench - even factory sponsored teams. Rotary Turbo Powered too.
Cris is far from a one trick pony. He does it all. I mean ALL. Drag Racing, Road Racing, Rallying, Street Racing. Piston, Rotor, Suspension, Tuning, Fabrication, dialing in, electronics,engine building, etc. The list goes on and on.
There's a lot more to Crispeed than reliable high powered rotaries. I've known him for five years now and there hasn't been a day with him that I haven't learned something new. He's not just an encyclopedia of knowledge, - he's an encyclopedia of experience.
He's just not a elitist or pompous @$$ like some members on the forum who think they know everything, but in reality have no clue. - and no that was not a jab at you.
06-22-06, 09:19 AM
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Thanks Eric.
To Jack,
I understand your point of view, and I don't really disagree with what you say by any means. I have already apologized for jumping down your throat if your thread was not intended to be directed towards my particular car. It's the way your post was aimed. No positives about it, just "it wouldn't last at Watkins Glen". Again I have already apologized for my comment, even though I'm not sure I should have, and the subject needs to be dropped.
To Jack,
I understand your point of view, and I don't really disagree with what you say by any means. I have already apologized for jumping down your throat if your thread was not intended to be directed towards my particular car. It's the way your post was aimed. No positives about it, just "it wouldn't last at Watkins Glen". Again I have already apologized for my comment, even though I'm not sure I should have, and the subject needs to be dropped.
Originally Posted by LUPE
Dan.............. Jack sent me a PM. He thinks that I own your car. I let him know that it's not my car and it's yours. Here is what he had to say.
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
"Let make my point to you, I get alot of young guys who come to the race track and think they can run 15-18 psi on pump gas because they get away with it on the street. By the end of the day they are calling AAA due to trashing their motor. Tuning has NOTHING to due with heat soak. You could run 10 to 1 a/f and 10 degrees at peak torque but after ten laps in the mid summer heat your water temps are over 240f and oil 280f. The fuel is basicly boiling as it's leaves the injectors... Also your post was under the 3rd gen forum, I have no clue what your intention's are with respect to the power you are making. My comment was not to take away your thunder however to qualify the intent. So some young guy who has all of his money tied up into his car is not calling AAA. BTW, I have more than a clue, I have 16 years of SCCA, Porsche, BMW road race experience."
06-22-06, 09:35 AM
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Respectful dialog with one another about any subject matter should be the way one conduct's themselves, demeaning behavoir is unacceptable to me.. Discussions with points and counterpoints are the way I try to state my postion and learn, where I my be in error. If you are a person of knowledge and experience, let your wisdom speak for itself...
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LOL! @ Jack.
I'll give you credit there Jack, but you don't understand that Cris's background is originally from the world or Rally Racing. Full Blown WRC style rally racing. They raced on dirt, rocks, aspalt, mud, etc. at full speed the entire time.
He wasn't just the Builder either. He was the Builder, the Tuner, Fabricator, Owner and Driver. Back in the day, he put everybody back on the bench - even factory sponsored teams. Rotary Turbo Powered too.
Cris is far from a one trick pony. He does it all. I mean ALL. Drag Racing, Road Racing, Rallying, Street Racing. Piston, Rotor, Suspension, Tuning, Fabrication, dialing in, electronics,engine building, etc. The list goes on and on.
There's a lot more to Crispeed than reliable high powered rotaries. I've known him for five years now and there hasn't been a day with him that I haven't learned something new. He's not just an encyclopedia of knowledge, - he's an encyclopedia of experience.
He's just not a elitist or pompous @$$ like some members on the forum who think they know everything, but in reality have no clue. - and no that was not a jab at you.
I'll give you credit there Jack, but you don't understand that Cris's background is originally from the world or Rally Racing. Full Blown WRC style rally racing. They raced on dirt, rocks, aspalt, mud, etc. at full speed the entire time.
He wasn't just the Builder either. He was the Builder, the Tuner, Fabricator, Owner and Driver. Back in the day, he put everybody back on the bench - even factory sponsored teams. Rotary Turbo Powered too.
Cris is far from a one trick pony. He does it all. I mean ALL. Drag Racing, Road Racing, Rallying, Street Racing. Piston, Rotor, Suspension, Tuning, Fabrication, dialing in, electronics,engine building, etc. The list goes on and on.
There's a lot more to Crispeed than reliable high powered rotaries. I've known him for five years now and there hasn't been a day with him that I haven't learned something new. He's not just an encyclopedia of knowledge, - he's an encyclopedia of experience.
He's just not a elitist or pompous @$$ like some members on the forum who think they know everything, but in reality have no clue. - and no that was not a jab at you.
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Originally Posted by Dan Schechter
Thanks Eric.
To Jack,
I understand your point of view, and I don't really disagree with what you say by any means. I have already apologized for jumping down your throat if your thread was not intended to be directed towards my particular car. It's the way your post was aimed. No positives about it, just "it wouldn't last at Watkins Glen". Again I have already apologized for my comment, even though I'm not sure I should have, and the subject needs to be dropped.
To Jack,
I understand your point of view, and I don't really disagree with what you say by any means. I have already apologized for jumping down your throat if your thread was not intended to be directed towards my particular car. It's the way your post was aimed. No positives about it, just "it wouldn't last at Watkins Glen". Again I have already apologized for my comment, even though I'm not sure I should have, and the subject needs to be dropped.
You are correct......
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
i've seen a lot of people do that on the dyno and have always wondered the same thing
06-22-06, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey
i've seen a lot of people do that on the dyno and have always wondered the same thing
06-22-06, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Schechter
makes gobs of power every once and a while (760whp @ 6400rpm)...
Heck, sounds like a good boost level. I'm sure if you kept it there, beating Julie wouldn't be a problem. What boost was that at?
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Originally Posted by check_ur_six
Hey, Shouldn't you be working on that tranny so we can see the video you promised? And no corner scales while it's out!