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jayscoobs 03-15-13 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S (Post 11406818)
The PFC doesn't read vacuum in inches of mercury ;)

What are the VTA1 and VTA2 voltage readings at idle? If they're jumping by a tenth of a volt, that doesn't seem right.

Have you tweaked the screw in the front of the TB with the 8mm jam nut on it? Takes a flatblade screwdriver. Try adjusting the idle with that..... you may have to reclock your TPS however. If memory serves, at idle VTA1 should be between 0.1 and 0.7 and VTA2 between 0.75 and 1.25. Or vice versa :)

Yeah I converted it so I know what I should be seeing on the Power FC. The way it reads boost however sucks.

I have the Power FC out at the moment. VTA is for TPS? because that was just adjusted into spec a week ago. I couldn't say anything about ISC though. I just don't understand how the Power FC was running my car perfectly for the first day then all of a sudden goes bad. I was having a ton of backfire over every little throttle change. I still get some on stock ECU but their hardly noticeable.

jayscoobs 03-16-13 03:12 PM

What would be the best way for me to setup the power fc to run my car correctly? Since I had a negative experience the first time. If only we had tuners in the Bay Area.

RotaryEvolution 03-16-13 04:39 PM

initialize it and see if it runs correctly. also try disconnecting the commander as i mentioned to see if it helps, it's caused problems in the past. second hand units can be sketchy but i have never seen a PFC fail so far, not to say that they won't if it was previously installed on a car with a wiring issue that backfed through the PFC.

James Paventi 03-16-13 06:26 PM

The commander is a possibility. I certainly can't hurt to try.

You might also try disconnecting the power break booster at the manifold and plugging the port. I'm wondering if running without a check valve has damaged it. A broken booster can pass a lot of air. I've never seen this on a 7 but have on other cars.

thewird 03-16-13 06:28 PM

Take a picture of the voltage screen.

thewird

jayscoobs 03-16-13 08:51 PM

I'll try those out. Good thing I hardly drive the 7 lol. Would it also help if I deleted some idle controls? Less things to cause issues and I believe the power fc doesn't need all of them to run the car?

RotaryEvolution 03-16-13 09:24 PM

if you delete the idle controls then it will be more difficult to pass emissions, the car will want to stall at idle when cold and only idle below 1k when warm.

Tem120 03-16-13 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by jayscoobs (Post 11408573)
I'll try those out. Good thing I hardly drive the 7 lol. Would it also help if I deleted some idle controls? Less things to cause issues and I believe the power fc doesn't need all of them to run the car?

I wouldnt I'd try reinitializing it if you havent before . and give it another go .

jayscoobs 03-18-13 01:32 PM

Haven't had time to install power fc but I drove it to work today. Now while driving my idle is 1100 but if I shut her down and start her again idle is at like 600.

James Paventi 03-18-13 01:46 PM

Could be that your IAC is dirty or bad but I think that there's either a vacuum leak, the idle screw under the elbow needs adjusting per the fsm or both.

James Paventi 03-18-13 01:48 PM

I know ... Lots of opinions / ideas ... Just start eliminating things one by one.

jayscoobs 03-18-13 01:50 PM

What a headache. I'll be working on it tomorrow. It's just so weird how the car idle completely fine before I installed the power fc. Everything was in spec.

James Paventi 03-18-13 02:04 PM

The PFC is out to get you it knows that the Adaptronic is taking over! :lol:

Couldn't resist that.

It felt like I was dealing with a hunting idle forever until I replaced my clutch switch. There are so many possibilities it can be a serious headache.

jayscoobs 03-18-13 03:55 PM

Seriously lol. The adaptronic movement is getting too advanced. It's taking over power fc!

Yeah it's a major pain. Can I see the clutch switch on sensor check? Maybe it'll help me see if mines bad.

James Paventi 03-18-13 07:20 PM

Clutch switch should definitely be on the commander.


Could also test it with a $5 Harbor Freight meter.

jayscoobs 03-19-13 05:58 PM

Looks like ill be removing the mechanical dashpot because of this thread.

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...talled-853278/

Then after initializing ill take a pic of my sensor voltages.

jayscoobs 03-20-13 03:48 PM

Does the ECU need to be grounded through the bracket? My car is missing it and I just thought the ground on the harness is enough to ground the ECU. Maybe thats partly my problem and I hope it didnt kill the ECU. Although my stock one has been working like that.

James Paventi 03-20-13 03:58 PM

The PFC? No, not to my Knowledge. It was always held in by a bracket from my stock ecu. The bracket was held on by double sided tape so there was no ground there.

jayscoobs 03-20-13 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by James Paventi (Post 11412589)
The PFC? No, not to my Knowledge. It was always held in by a bracket from my stock ecu. The bracket was held on by double sided tape so there was no ground there.

The only thing im thinking is with the ECU touching the bracket and the bracket bolted to the car it is grounding.

RotaryEvolution 03-20-13 04:08 PM

the ecu does not require grounding through its chassis.

jayscoobs 03-20-13 05:18 PM

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This is at full warmed up Idle during Idle learn process. Idleing 850.

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jayscoobs 03-20-13 09:45 PM

So I went to drive around after idle learn. Wow super heat soaked idling for 30 mins. Was just at 3k and saw knock skyrocket. Scared me a bit.

beckrx 03-21-13 06:58 PM

Although

Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 11412603)
the ecu does not require grounding through its chassis

the ecu bracket does need to be grounded. A few months ago I observed first hand just how "possessed" an FD ran without the ecu grounded. https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...ttent-1021661/

jayscoobs 03-21-13 08:43 PM

Guess ill run a ground wire to the case as a extra.

Tem120 03-22-13 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by jayscoobs (Post 11414065)
Guess ill run a ground wire to the case as a extra.

the harness should have a local ground that you bolt onto the car and connect near the ECU . with that wire grounded it should be enough , the case itself does not need grounding just that wire .

after reinitializing it how is the car running?

As for heatsoak make one of your things to view your intake air temp . I know my car never likes intake air temps above 45.


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