BNR stage 3 turbos
#51
The primary turbo is set at 1.25 bar on the PFC.
The car was making roughly 13.5 hp per lb of boost as boost was increased. Another two lbs. would have given us ~460 at the wheels but we would have to use race gas which wasn't our goal. Ray believes the turbos are capable of 460-470 rwhp on race gas with water/meth injection.
The 430 pull was one of the last and the car was hot.
Timing and tune is conservative btw.
Ray Wilson at PFS is the man to go to for tuning. He spent a lot of time and effort on the tune and we both appreciate it.
The car was making roughly 13.5 hp per lb of boost as boost was increased. Another two lbs. would have given us ~460 at the wheels but we would have to use race gas which wasn't our goal. Ray believes the turbos are capable of 460-470 rwhp on race gas with water/meth injection.
The 430 pull was one of the last and the car was hot.
Timing and tune is conservative btw.
Ray Wilson at PFS is the man to go to for tuning. He spent a lot of time and effort on the tune and we both appreciate it.
#52
We really need a list of mods or you will receive hundreds of questions like this one .
What size injectors, intercooler, fuel pump, plugs, intake, exhaust, and everything else are you running.
#54
Pill size in the PCA and wastegate actuator hoses. The smaller they are quicker boost but also the higher the boost.
Long list...
Long list...
#57
You can also tell it's a legit dyno as hp and torque cross at 5250.
#58
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Agreed. I came to that conclusion many years ago. With the larger turbine wheels the BNR3s are just too laggy when set up non-sequential.
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
#59
Agreed. I came to that conclusion many years ago. With the larger turbine wheels the BNR3s are just too laggy when set up non-sequential.
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
#61
Agreed. I came to that conclusion many years ago. With the larger turbine wheels the BNR3s are just too laggy when set up non-sequential.
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
Sequential on the other hand is one helluva party
Chris, congrats to you and your brother on building a real force to be reckoned with on the street
-Matt
#62
-Matt
#63
Just a thanks and a to Bryan for providing and building new JDM 280PS turbos with balance and mods.
I could have gone the easier & cheaper BNR Stage 3 route, but I had to be different.. we'll see if I made the right choice.
I could have gone the easier & cheaper BNR Stage 3 route, but I had to be different.. we'll see if I made the right choice.
#64
I need to roll to one of those events...
#65
Wow! That's a huge number for sequential!
Congratulations to the both of you! I know you put a ton of time and research into this. Now throw in some race gas and lets see what she'll really do!
Congratulations to the both of you! I know you put a ton of time and research into this. Now throw in some race gas and lets see what she'll really do!
#66
Details on these turbos? Do they need to be built from brand new, or can older '99's be built this way?
#68
Good luck with the Efinis though - maybe you will get mre than I did......I just don't think they can push as much air - too small of snail so they loose efficiency up top.
#71
We installed a direct battery relay to increase amperage to ~13.9V which drives a significant boost in fuel pressure for the already stout Aeromotive 340....very effective. The car won't pass CA emissions with non stock injectors (even with the stock ECU swapped in). If the CA Govt wasn't so strict on emissions, I'd be driving a triple rotor. Oh well - it's just a toy.
#72
Interesting post by Yellow R1 that showed more power (7%) from org stock than these 280PS spec "Efini"
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FWIW, I tried the stockers, brand new Efini's, & the Satge III BNRs. The Efinis produced a whopping 332 rwhp. The stockers were good for about 356 rwhp. The BNRs....432 rwhp.
Good luck with the Efinis though - maybe you will get mre than I did......I just don't think they can push as much air - too small of snail so they loose efficiency up top.
Good luck with the Efinis though - maybe you will get mre than I did......I just don't think they can push as much air - too small of snail so they loose efficiency up top.
#73
We installed a direct battery relay to increase amperage to ~13.9V which drives a significant boost in fuel pressure for the already stout Aeromotive 340....very effective. The car won't pass CA emissions with non stock injectors (even with the stock ECU swapped in). If the CA Govt wasn't so strict on emissions, I'd be driving a triple rotor. Oh well - it's just a toy.
Well if you're restricted to stock rails you can still go to 850 primaries. If you keep your eyes out for the older RC SNGX-1300's (1300cc secondaries) they flow more as they age. Before RC bored out injectors they did a plunger mod to increase flow. Problem (or not) was that over time the shims supporting the plunger became compacted which increased the flow even further. This is what I run in my car and my "1300's" flow 1620cc's verified by Witchhunter. They flow fine and I made 452whp on my BNR's with these injectors.
Point is, that because of these injectors I'm able to run 850/1600 on stock rails and if you're restricted to stock rails because of CA emissions and want more power it would be something to look out for.
#74
Well if you're restricted to stock rails you can still go to 850 primaries. If you keep your eyes out for the older RC SNGX-1300's (1300cc secondaries) they flow more as they age. Before RC bored out injectors they did a plunger mod to increase flow. Problem (or not) was that over time the shims supporting the plunger became compacted which increased the flow even further. This is what I run in my car and my "1300's" flow 1620cc's verified by Witchhunter. They flow fine and I made 452whp on my BNR's with these injectors.
Point is, that because of these injectors I'm able to run 850/1600 on stock rails and if you're restricted to stock rails because of CA emissions and want more power it would be something to look out for.
Point is, that because of these injectors I'm able to run 850/1600 on stock rails and if you're restricted to stock rails because of CA emissions and want more power it would be something to look out for.
Can you post your dyno - it would interesting to see where you made your power & torque?
Cheers.
-Matt
#75
Magic indeed...
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