Battle Of The Twin Turbos.. Need Some Info.. Looking at all 3 Cars..
05-02-02 | 11:40 AM
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warsaw: im sorry i didnt mean the rx7 isnt for him, or anyone else for that matter in general. I meant that if he isnt sure what he wants then an rx7 may not be the best idea. I honestly believe that you should know what your getting into before you get the rx7; you may wind up sorry later if not. And yes, I am jealous that you have one! Im still trying to find mine =]
05-02-02 | 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by phatmonky
As for the guy who thinks they are too expensive! It was a 50k car new (even more for the spyders
)
I don't think 50+% depreciation after 4-5 years is asking too much
As for the guy who thinks they are too expensive! It was a 50k car new (even more for the spyders
)I don't think 50+% depreciation after 4-5 years is asking too much
05-02-02 | 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by redrotorR1
For the '96-98 models, that's not asking too much. For the '93-95 models, yes, that is asking too much. Lots of guys on autotrader looking for $19-23K for the earlier VR-4's. Kelley Blue Book for good condition is around $13K.
For the '96-98 models, that's not asking too much. For the '93-95 models, yes, that is asking too much. Lots of guys on autotrader looking for $19-23K for the earlier VR-4's. Kelley Blue Book for good condition is around $13K.
Secondly, are they spyders? ANy spyder will go for over 20k easily.
I can find you 5 97+ right now for 25k or less. They are all over
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05-02-02 | 12:04 PM
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Oh come on Mr. Z, now you are just dissing all Rx7. Not all of them are like that. Just like every car if you don't know much about it and let it overheet, the engine will blow. In my own opinion Rx7 are much better and prettier than Z's but i would never diss any of them.
05-02-02 | 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by BoOsTin FC
Oh come on Mr. Z, now you are just dissing all Rx7. Not all of them are like that. Just like every car if you don't know much about it and let it overheet, the engine will blow. In my own opinion Rx7 are much better and prettier than Z's but i would never diss any of them.
Oh come on Mr. Z, now you are just dissing all Rx7. Not all of them are like that. Just like every car if you don't know much about it and let it overheet, the engine will blow. In my own opinion Rx7 are much better and prettier than Z's but i would never diss any of them.
Ask him how long the 1990 n/a's will last
THe ones with the improperly mahined heads that will need replacing. ALL OF THEM 
But the Z's have NO problems
Atleast the Rx7 got better with time, unlike the Z that got heavier and heavier. What's cheaper? Adding a singgle turbo, or upgrading two turbos because a V configuration dictates it?
All cars have their downs and ups. Mr. Z is uneducated though
05-02-02 | 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by phatmonky
Talking JUST drag racing-
Also, as for handling, they are heavy, but I was surprised as hell at how nimble they are. And don't forget the fact, that unlike the supras you will have 1> a very usable power range 1> ability to put that power doen on the street and not just on slicks.
Talking JUST drag racing-
Also, as for handling, they are heavy, but I was surprised as hell at how nimble they are. And don't forget the fact, that unlike the supras you will have 1> a very usable power range 1> ability to put that power doen on the street and not just on slicks.
And useable power range? Have you ever driven a MKIV supra? I assure you the power range is MORE than useable, the only time a term like 'useable power range' might hold true is with a big single turbo setup.. the I6 inherently makes way more torque than a V6 can hope for. Having an all-wheel drive car surely helps you put more power to the ground than a rear wheel only setup, I choose not to discuss drivetrain loss at this time because I don't have the energy.
One thing is certain and I really don't understand why this topic comes up over and over again, the 3KGT and 300ZX are CLEARLY not at the same overall performance level as the RX-7 OR the Supra.. stock vs stock, or with equivalent mods. And since you brought up the subject of drag racing how many really fast 300Z's and especially 3KGT's are out there winning events? Right.. ZERO. RX-7's and Supra's are though (Ari, Saruwatari was, Paisley, Powerhouse..).
Matt
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05-02-02 | 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by mjw
1>Ahem, I don't think that 3000GT and nimble belong in the same sentence together.. grippy maybe, and I might even push it to 'capable'.. but nimble? C'mon, a MKIV supra outhandles a 3000GT like nobody's business and now you are going to come on an RX-7 forum and call the 3KGT nimble?
An2>useable power range? Have you ever driven a MKIV supra? I assure you the power range is MORE than useable, the only time a term like 'useable power range' might hold true is with a big single turbo setup.. the I6 inherently makes way more torque than a V6 can hope for. Having an all-wheel drive car surely helps you put more power to the ground than a rear wheel only setup, I choose not to discuss drivetrain loss at this time because I don't have the energy.
3>one thing is certain and I really don't understand why this topic comes up over and over again, the 3KGT and 300ZX are CLEARLY not at the same overall performance level as the RX-7 OR the Supra.. stock vs stock, or with equivalent mods. And since you brought up the subject of drag racing how many really fast 300Z's and especially 3KGT's are out there winning events? Right.. ZERO. RX-7's and Supra's are though (Ari, Saruwatari was, Paisley, Powerhouse..).
Matt
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1>Ahem, I don't think that 3000GT and nimble belong in the same sentence together.. grippy maybe, and I might even push it to 'capable'.. but nimble? C'mon, a MKIV supra outhandles a 3000GT like nobody's business and now you are going to come on an RX-7 forum and call the 3KGT nimble?
An2>useable power range? Have you ever driven a MKIV supra? I assure you the power range is MORE than useable, the only time a term like 'useable power range' might hold true is with a big single turbo setup.. the I6 inherently makes way more torque than a V6 can hope for. Having an all-wheel drive car surely helps you put more power to the ground than a rear wheel only setup, I choose not to discuss drivetrain loss at this time because I don't have the energy.
3>one thing is certain and I really don't understand why this topic comes up over and over again, the 3KGT and 300ZX are CLEARLY not at the same overall performance level as the RX-7 OR the Supra.. stock vs stock, or with equivalent mods. And since you brought up the subject of drag racing how many really fast 300Z's and especially 3KGT's are out there winning events? Right.. ZERO. RX-7's and Supra's are though (Ari, Saruwatari was, Paisley, Powerhouse..).
Matt
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I was stating facts, so don't think I was bashing another car, by pumping one.
1>Reread me, SURPRISINGLY NIMBLE FOR HE WEIGHT! And I willl stick to it. Yes, I said that on the message board of God's chariot - the rx7
Don't let your bias make you think less of another amazing car.2>Yes. The Supra is not BAD stock, but is far from attractive until the second turbo comes on. And yes I was thining single setups too, but my primary thought is that usable is NOT just a power range. You want USABLE? Look at the dynos for the vr-4's. Seriously, even supra owners will argue you that the vr-4 makes power MUCH sooner. 15g's can spool faster than the stock 9b's and make Gobs more power up top. Common sense should tell you this, and no matter what you think, even the small singles have a **** power raneg for ET (even if you managed to hook up the launch will suck)
As for the drivetrain, go ahead mention it! If you knew anything about the car, you'd know it wasn't nearly as bad as you think. I gave a simple proven setup that shows 10's on street tires. We're talking drag racing, and we both know the AWD (on the street)will be closer to that track ET than the RWD setup will be.
3>And I even disclaimed myself, but you have to say something
"DRAG RACING ONLY-"
The 97+ 3000gt will see a best of 13.0 stock! That's completely comparable to the supra, and faster than either the Rx7 or 300zx stock!
Modding??? Look at the list of mods posted. You will not get a supra to a 10.8 on street tires for cheaper.
EXACTLY NONE!! WHY??? because after the 10 second mark, it gets too expensive, BUT I ALREADY SAID THAT, didn't I??
Quit trying to play the devil's advocate and accept the facts. The RX7 and supra aren't the only good cars. Everything I posted was to inform the guy of the car and let him make his choice. Your bias is blinding you from educating yourself.
And FYI, before you try to say it, I'm on this board because I plan to buy an FD. I don't own a 3000gt, nor am I going to. But I did my research farrrrrrr longer than I think you did, before picking which of the 'japanese supercar' bunch was good for me.
05-02-02 | 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by redrotorR1
True, true, true. One other thought ... it's the only one of the three mentioned that you can get in convertible form. T-tops suck, IMO.
True, true, true. One other thought ... it's the only one of the three mentioned that you can get in convertible form. T-tops suck, IMO.
05-02-02 | 04:11 PM
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After my first FD went to car heaven 
. I test drove all three.
Can you guess which one I picked?
just felt like more of the overall package. A real sportscar feel IMO.
. I test drove all three.Can you guess which one I picked?
just felt like more of the overall package. A real sportscar feel IMO.
05-02-02 | 04:15 PM
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I'm not dissin rx-7's, I'm just saying that every car has it's good and bad points. Reliability of Rx-7 is not that great compared to 300zx. These posts are getting ridiculous, dude probably asked this question on purpose.
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05-02-02 | 04:26 PM
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No I didnt ask the question.. But I felt like for the 20-30 Grand Range.. I felt those 3 were the best TT's... Its just funny how dudes is biased on RX-7's and basically discount a 300zx as a car better yet a sports car..
05-02-02 | 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by DelSolVTEC
imo: if you have to decide the rx7 isnt for you. =] i once wanted a z but after carefull consideration of the pros and cons of each I have decided that rx7 is the only way to go for me
imo: if you have to decide the rx7 isnt for you. =] i once wanted a z but after carefull consideration of the pros and cons of each I have decided that rx7 is the only way to go for me
(careful consideration = deciding), sounds like you were in the same camp
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05-02-02 | 06:06 PM
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Hey can we all get along?????
We gotta give Japanese cars in general their credit..
By far more reliable better looking and faster than any
thing Detroit can muster....
As for the 3000GT VR4, 300ZX TT, RX7 TT, Supras TT.
I have friends with all of them.. all are great cars
and I have driven them all..
VR4, Supras feel like Sedans...
300ZX little under powered
But one thing is for SURE.. THE RX7 Looks the best.
PERIOD..
Any car depending on how they are treated will work
and some wont...
For the guy who said sometning about the 300zx 4wheel steering.. IT SUCKS...
Not a natural motion when turning.
and on top of that, IT BREAKS.. like my buddies.
and Thousands to fix....
Happy motoring....
We gotta give Japanese cars in general their credit..
By far more reliable better looking and faster than any
thing Detroit can muster....
As for the 3000GT VR4, 300ZX TT, RX7 TT, Supras TT.
I have friends with all of them.. all are great cars
and I have driven them all..
VR4, Supras feel like Sedans...
300ZX little under powered
But one thing is for SURE.. THE RX7 Looks the best.
PERIOD..
Any car depending on how they are treated will work
and some wont...
For the guy who said sometning about the 300zx 4wheel steering.. IT SUCKS...
Not a natural motion when turning.
and on top of that, IT BREAKS.. like my buddies.
and Thousands to fix....
Happy motoring....
05-03-02 | 10:57 AM
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Agreed. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, it depends on what you're willing to spend on ... and what you get for the money you're spending. My three big factors were 1)Price tag, 2) Handling, and 3) Overall looks. That's why I went with the 7. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and their own criteria when shopping for a sports car. Some people think the Mustang is the best looking sports car ever.
This whole argument about which one is better after you mod is pointless. The faster car because of modding always comes down to one factor: money spent. If you're willing to spend infinite amounts of cash, then, sure, drop the 250lb shot of nitrous and heads, cams, rods, rollers, turbos, etc., etc., etc. and you can have a 1200HP car. Have fun driving THAT to the track.
I have driven all four of these amazing cars and I like each of them for different reasons. It doesn't make one better than the other. In a perfect world, I'd have the Supra for highway embarrassing and drag racing. I'd have the VR-4 for when weather's nasty. I'd have the 300Z 'vert for sunny day cruising. And I have the 7, for exactly what I want it for ... SCCA racing and pushing it on twisty roads.
This whole argument about which one is better after you mod is pointless. The faster car because of modding always comes down to one factor: money spent. If you're willing to spend infinite amounts of cash, then, sure, drop the 250lb shot of nitrous and heads, cams, rods, rollers, turbos, etc., etc., etc. and you can have a 1200HP car. Have fun driving THAT to the track.
I have driven all four of these amazing cars and I like each of them for different reasons. It doesn't make one better than the other. In a perfect world, I'd have the Supra for highway embarrassing and drag racing. I'd have the VR-4 for when weather's nasty. I'd have the 300Z 'vert for sunny day cruising. And I have the 7, for exactly what I want it for ... SCCA racing and pushing it on twisty roads.
05-03-02 | 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by DelSolVTEC
warsaw: im sorry i didnt mean the rx7 isnt for him, or anyone else for that matter in general. I meant that if he isnt sure what he wants then an rx7 may not be the best idea. I honestly believe that you should know what your getting into before you get the rx7; you may wind up sorry later if not. And yes, I am jealous that you have one! Im still trying to find mine =]
warsaw: im sorry i didnt mean the rx7 isnt for him, or anyone else for that matter in general. I meant that if he isnt sure what he wants then an rx7 may not be the best idea. I honestly believe that you should know what your getting into before you get the rx7; you may wind up sorry later if not. And yes, I am jealous that you have one! Im still trying to find mine =]
05-04-02 | 05:44 PM
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IMO I would choose the VR4. Only reason the vr4 isn't beating supras right now is the aftermarket. But once that changes it will be over for the gay *** supras. I LOVE rx7s however but I think the VR4 will take it soon.
How many Supras run 10's? Matt Monett ran 10's and he said hes about to touch the 9's. Street tires you would never get a supra to touch the 10's but a VR4 you will. AND WHO CARES ABOUT HIGHWAY!!! Supras run good on highway and thats it. But in all honesty how many of you guys "cruise" the highway more then downtown? Plus the VR4s aftermarket turbos like the 15gs make power alot faster then any other Supra turbos. I can't wait for the GT399Rs for the 3S.
And with a SIMPLE and I mean SIMPLE weight reduction you can get it down to 3400 lbs and still have Active Aero, AWD, AWS, 3 stage electronically controlled suspension, air conditioning and all that goodies.
Face it. 3000gt is the ULTIMATE sportscar. Thats why more units were sold in america then any other japanese supercars. Even with it being the highest price.
Only reason the performance on paper is not good is because people don't know how to drive and launch AWDs.
POPULAR MECHANICS tested the VR4 as...
0 to 60......................................4.6 Sec.
Quarter Mile..............................13.4/105.6
Skidpad..................................... .98 g's
Salom........................................69.8 MPH
TOP SPEED restricted................159.4 MPH
How many Supras run 10's? Matt Monett ran 10's and he said hes about to touch the 9's. Street tires you would never get a supra to touch the 10's but a VR4 you will. AND WHO CARES ABOUT HIGHWAY!!! Supras run good on highway and thats it. But in all honesty how many of you guys "cruise" the highway more then downtown? Plus the VR4s aftermarket turbos like the 15gs make power alot faster then any other Supra turbos. I can't wait for the GT399Rs for the 3S.
And with a SIMPLE and I mean SIMPLE weight reduction you can get it down to 3400 lbs and still have Active Aero, AWD, AWS, 3 stage electronically controlled suspension, air conditioning and all that goodies.
Face it. 3000gt is the ULTIMATE sportscar. Thats why more units were sold in america then any other japanese supercars. Even with it being the highest price.
Only reason the performance on paper is not good is because people don't know how to drive and launch AWDs.
POPULAR MECHANICS tested the VR4 as...
0 to 60......................................4.6 Sec.
Quarter Mile..............................13.4/105.6
Skidpad..................................... .98 g's
Salom........................................69.8 MPH
TOP SPEED restricted................159.4 MPH
05-05-02 | 12:37 AM
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why doesnt he just go out and test drive all of the cars he is considering and make a choice. It is really up to you on picking the car. You are the one that will have to live with it for x amount of years. Dont let someone else make up your mind
05-05-02 | 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Smilez
Actually, I agree, I think the Mr2 Turbo is a great car, quick, light, agile, small, well built, great weight distribution, and not too expensive.
Actually, I agree, I think the Mr2 Turbo is a great car, quick, light, agile, small, well built, great weight distribution, and not too expensive.
05-05-02 | 12:51 AM
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I've seen numbers of 13.5-13.7 on the web on this site,
http://www.phathonda.com/times/
which seems a bit aggresive considering it has 200hp/tq and 2,880lbs, but the weight might be a little high on edmunds site.
These are based on a 95 turbo coupe which run 8-11k according to edmunds.com as well.
With above 20mph average mileage, I think it would make a super fun daily driver, though to added space really vs the rx7, plus its out of my price range as one, since I'm in the 2-4k ballpark, anyway, I'm just rambling at this point.
Is 95 the last year they brought in these cars to the states?
http://www.phathonda.com/times/
which seems a bit aggresive considering it has 200hp/tq and 2,880lbs, but the weight might be a little high on edmunds site.
These are based on a 95 turbo coupe which run 8-11k according to edmunds.com as well.
With above 20mph average mileage, I think it would make a super fun daily driver, though to added space really vs the rx7, plus its out of my price range as one, since I'm in the 2-4k ballpark, anyway, I'm just rambling at this point.
Is 95 the last year they brought in these cars to the states?