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Old 02-08-13 | 01:42 PM
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Results are here, need to click "circuit racing"

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Practice only yesterday, more important stuff starts today. Given they're 10 odd seconds off the 1hr race lap done a couple years back, suspect there's bedding and other things going on.

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I was never able to figure out who or which company owns it.
HoonMediaTV on youtube might enlighten you. There are much more worthy recipients of largesse over here, I might add, if thinking that way, rather than Michael!

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Anyone aware of their class rules? Would a properly ducted Vmount be allowed?
According to the organizers, in these classes, pretty much run what ya brung, biggest problem for the wankling machines is 100 litre fuel limit - not normal FIA rules for capacity. Car may be built under these regs too though and not familiar with what happens there.....

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Old 02-08-13 | 05:29 PM
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Well good luck to Ric Shaw's team! As for the air temps, lets see what they say when they analyze the data during and after the race. It's one think to speak theory; application and something else - especially during these conditions (12 hours).

AdaptronicAus - I'm looking to you to give us a full update on the data when you have a chance. Good luck and make everyone proud.

I'm looking at the data right now from the last run; its fine. Its more about the entire picture and NOT just one item.. For example one can be much leaner if their advance isn't that high, or vice verse.

The car is first in its class by 0 .8 seconds last I heard...
Old 02-08-13 | 06:44 PM
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Can someone explain the 2:06 qualifying issue? Stream is dropping out at all the wrong times.
Old 02-08-13 | 07:43 PM
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Most of those cars have Fuel Economy issues LOL
True, but it's still relative based on engine design. The wankel will never win an economy race. I expect cars with similar consumption to be going quite a bit faster.
Old 02-08-13 | 08:41 PM
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Hi all,

Yes, we're first in class by about 0.8 seconds so far. There's another qualifying session this afternoon but we don't intend to run in it. I'm editing some in-car from Ric's hot lap this morning and if I can upload it (really slow internet connection here!) I'll post a link soon.

The Live Streaming and Timing | V8, Bathurst 12 Hour, Supercars, Bathurst 1000 Race, Mt Panorama - Australia website has live streaming right now; they've got various races and qualifying on today (qualifying for the 12-hour, plus IPRA (improved production), Formula Ford, Holden HQs racing).

We haven't made any changes to the setup; just a bit of fine tuning to things like alarm thresholds and refining the "process" (ie, all the other things I have to record like laps numbers, tyre usage and so on).

I'm rendering the in-car footage now with Sony Vegas, then I need to upload it... stay tuned! (pun intended).

You're right, turbo rotary in an enduro is never going to be great for fuel economy; I think we are going to use about as much fuel as a V8 Supercar per lap, and we're going to be about 15 seconds slower, and they run E85. They run a lot leaner than we do (naturally aspirated), plus rotaries aren't the most fuel efficient engines anyway. Regarding the ducting and so on, I'm sure there are lots of opinions out there; I asked Ric about this and he said it was a tradeoff between promoting more air through the radiator at the expense of the intercooler, so it's going to be a tradeoff and everyone is going to have their opinions. Our engine temps are really stable so that's good; maybe there's some scope to move that balance point a little bit but there are a lot of tradeoffs (how much time do you spent to evaluate it, test it... etc)

Cheers everyone!
Old 02-08-13 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AdaptronicAus
Hi all,

Yes, we're first in class by about 0.8 seconds so far. There's another qualifying session this afternoon but we don't intend to run in it. I'm editing some in-car from Ric's hot lap this morning and if I can upload it (really slow internet connection here!) I'll post a link soon.

The Live Streaming and Timing | V8, Bathurst 12 Hour, Supercars, Bathurst 1000 Race, Mt Panorama - Australia website has live streaming right now; they've got various races and qualifying on today (qualifying for the 12-hour, plus IPRA (improved production), Formula Ford, Holden HQs racing).

We haven't made any changes to the setup; just a bit of fine tuning to things like alarm thresholds and refining the "process" (ie, all the other things I have to record like laps numbers, tyre usage and so on).

I'm rendering the in-car footage now with Sony Vegas, then I need to upload it... stay tuned! (pun intended).

You're right, turbo rotary in an enduro is never going to be great for fuel economy; I think we are going to use about as much fuel as a V8 Supercar per lap, and we're going to be about 15 seconds slower, and they run E85. They run a lot leaner than we do (naturally aspirated), plus rotaries aren't the most fuel efficient engines anyway. Regarding the ducting and so on, I'm sure there are lots of opinions out there; I asked Ric about this and he said it was a tradeoff between promoting more air through the radiator at the expense of the intercooler, so it's going to be a tradeoff and everyone is going to have their opinions. Our engine temps are really stable so that's good; maybe there's some scope to move that balance point a little bit but there are a lot of tradeoffs (how much time do you spent to evaluate it, test it... etc)

Cheers everyone!
LOL thats cool , and I'll be crossing my fingers for blown ferrari's and lambos , and mercs!
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Hi everyone,

Here's the in-car from Ric's qualifying lap:


He says he's a bit rusty....
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Love it! Man, thanks for sharing the in-car video. After hearing about drivers loving their paddle shifters I can understand why from watching this video. The driver has walls on both sides, a tight up and down hill section and shifting looks like it takes concentration away from the driver. Good luck in the second heat of quali! I'm looking forward to watching this race tomorrow. I just hope the camera guys give you more time on camera. And remember it's a 12 hour race: keep the car on track and stick it for the long haul - I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. Enjoy and we'll be cheering you guys on from here.
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Love it! Man, thanks for sharing the in-car video. After hearing about drivers loving their paddle shifters I can understand why from watching this video. The driver has walls on both sides, a tight up and down hill section and shifting looks like it takes concentration away from the driver. Good luck in the second heat of quali! I'm looking forward to watching this race tomorrow. I just hope the camera guys give you more time on camera. And remember it's a 12 hour race: keep the car on track and stick it for the long haul - I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. Enjoy and we'll be cheering you guys on from here.
Thanks mate!

Yes, Ric and I spoke about setting that up. Technically we liked the idea, but it does involve a fair bit of complexity so you'd want it to be well shaken down. It needs a potentiometer on the sequential gearbox barrel to confirm to the ECU that the next gear has engaged correctly before the ECU re-enables the ignition; and this avoids the possibility of missed shifts. But it would need to be pretty thoroughly tested; we didn't really have the time to implement and test it all; and if it were just for a race where he was driving, that would be one thing, but when you have people paying to drive the car we need to ensure that it's all reliable and tested. I'd love to do that though. Maybe on my car, although that would then mean I need to upgrade to a sequential box first....

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Hey, thanks for sharing the live streaming link, this is an awesome event! Good luck to your team! I wonder if speed network is covering this?
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wow thanks for sharing that looks like an awesome lap
Old 02-09-13 | 05:15 AM
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Here's also the GoPro from the front of the car for the same lap; probably higher definition:


Yeah it's a great event. Warren Luff, Craig Lowndes and someone else won it last year, and teams come from Germany to compete. Last year Speed covered the final 90 minutes live I think; not sure about this year...
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We will be able to stream the race live. Would you be willing to share the wheel setup of the RX-7? Curious to know what size wheel and tires you guys are running for front and rear. I believe the race start for USA is 3PM EST.
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I love that last video The sound is great I dont know how you got the engine sounds over the Wind noise .. that was perfect .. I've watched it like 5 times ..
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This is really great footage.

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Great video, keep it coming
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Hi guys, the in-car has a Race Technologies microphone which was part of the video recorder; the camera at the front is a Gopro Hero I think; it's in its own perspex enclosure so that probably helps with the wind noise. The tyres are 27-65-18 Michelins front and rear (I guess that's 270mm wide). We will have to run wets at some point though because it's going to rain...
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Originally Posted by AdaptronicAus
Hi guys, the in-car has a Race Technologies microphone which was part of the video recorder; the camera at the front is a Gopro Hero I think; it's in its own perspex enclosure so that probably helps with the wind noise. The tyres are 27-65-18 Michelins front and rear (I guess that's 270mm wide). We will have to run wets at some point though because it's going to rain...
well rain makes things interesting ... lets just hope that its not interesting in a bad way for uS!!
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Neat. What brakes are installed on the car?
Old 02-09-13 | 06:34 PM
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I'm not sure on the brakes; I'm pretty sure the callipers are AP racing and I know Ric likes Hawk Blue pads; not sure which discs they are.

Here's some footage from practice (Andrew B driving):

Remember it's streaming live from http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au

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I just started streaming , anyone have an update on the FD?

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A couple of mechanical issues; we're back on the track now but we had to change the gearbox to the spare H-pattern synchro box. Not sure the ins and outs; I'm just counting laps and analysing the data.
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Let's see if you boys can get into the top 25!
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Let's see if you boys can get into the top 25!
That's the thing about enduro's. If they make it to the end they'll probably be there.
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Ended up 4th in class; we also had to stop to repair an exhaust leak; Ric was overcome by exhaust fumes that leaked into the cabin through the gear shifter hole... got to pack up now - more later


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