sounds good to me...

the most important reason i asked this is because its easier to drive a car with same power but less TQ which means at a higher rpm, what NA can do and turbo cant. FD has a lot of power even in stock form and driving it fast takes finesse, when NA on the other hand is diffrent and teh power is very consistent and even if u stab the pedal nothign will happen. there are many reasons to own a NA car instead of a turbo just liek otherwise. like i said for me its mostly about handling THEN reliability and it also has to be fast enouf to enjoy. i have a NA FC that made 165 at wheels and its fun to drive but i just dont liek the way the FC feels as much as i like the FD and most of it is because of the suspension desing. the FD has a double A arms which is more forgivable then teh mcphereson fron and IRS rear that the FC has.

now the reliablty is a also a good poitn, i beat teh crap out of teh NA and it can take and most likely likes it since at low rpm its slower then most cars now on the road. with the turbos gone and the heat assoiciated with it it would be nice. NA rotaries dont really have any problems related to the engine itself u can go ask all the NA guys.

now the power if u make 250 with turbos and 250 without them with the same engien there is no way u can do this at the same rpm. its just simple hp and torque formula. and liek i said a NA car is more stable then a TURBO car given all else the same. torque is what pushes u in teh seat and has that "fast" feeling while the NA has a much more linear power band but doesnt feel asfast as turbo.

I saw a N/A FD at the previous Sevenstock, it was for Formula Atlantic racing. I think it had a bridgeported 12A in it though due to racing regulations.

Kahren,

There was a video floating around of a Japanese NA FD. It sounded pretty fast as it was flying down the highways, however several Skylines where spanking the crap out of it. :(

I'm not sure what you would put into the search engine here to locate the old thread about it since "NA" is under the 3 letter minimum for the search.

Anyhow, the JGTC FD is a NA 3-Rotor around 300hp (since it's in the GT300 class).

turbo is great for the street for when u want that fast feeling but when u are pushing the car at the limit in the turn i would rather have a NA.

i have a NA fc that i guess i will swap for a turbo 2
and convert the FD to a turbo?

I really don't understand the concerns about reliability that some of you have. Unless you blow an apex seal through bad tuning (which could happen with an N/A as well, although less likely) or you experience a bad overheat, an FD engine will last 80k or more. Even if you put 12k/year on the car, that means rebuilds are almost 7 years apart. So who gives a shit about engine reliability? If you that concerned, put on a downpipe, maintain the car well and keep it otherwise stock. It will last a long time.

Putting a built 13B into an FD would still require rebuilding an engine anyways....so what's the point.

WOP:

I really don't know how you can come in here and claim that so many of us sound like assholes or elitist. That's a big generalization and not really fair to most of us. As far as power goes, once you have a more powerful car, you'll understand. The most powerful car I owned before my FD was a Nissan SE-R and I always wondered what the big deal was with more power. Now I know... :)

it's just a feeling I get reading some of these post... it is a generalization and maybe I should not be so harsh... sorry...

hehe... believe you me... I have had my share of uber power... from my old man building pro-street domestics to 911 RS americas to race bikes, so power and speed are no strangers...

IMHO: it comes to a point were you have to weight whether it is really worth it and not just financially... but a stock FD isn't really fast... quick, fun, sporty? sure... FAST? no...

is it really necessary to have some bad ass street car? to me? not really... I would rather have a reliable 200hp NA FD then a not so reliable 255hp turbo FD...

if we are talking track toy then bay all means build the monster...

just like everything, it is all relative.

From http://www.pdm-racing.com/news/news.html:

http://www.pdm-racing.com/news/imag/pdm3rotor.jpg

"T-REX IS BACK!!

After being out of the stable for a few years, the PDM 3-rotor RX7 is back!! This beautiful, one of a kind 1993 Mazda RX7 is powered by a naturally aspirated 20B Cosmo 3-Rotor motor making in excess of 360 hp, and has both the looks and goods to make this car both a show-stopper and track racer. Stay tuned to the Features for an updated article on this car."

that wing is ridiculous. I'm not impressed by the side skirts either.

The point was mainly to demonstrate that it's an FD with a normally aspirated motor, not to highlight its various styling bits.

oh so that wing is the one that just jumps out and says: N/A motor!

Yeah, it's the RE-Amemiya "Hey look this FD is n/a!" wing.

It's from the PDM Racing website (they sell mainly 240SX stuff). The link I posted is to that site. The blurb mentions PDM Racing, and the windshield banner says PDM Racing. The logical conclusion then, is that the car in the picture is the supposed 360 hp n/a 20b-powered car which the website is mentioning. :eek:

can some one photo shop the 2 lower lights in to there, it looks weird with out lights in there

20b = :worship: :beerchug:

I think I saw that wing at Pepboys the other day...
rofl.

But in his question, he specifically said FDs...

Who are you calling an elitist prick? Can you not generalize the entire FD portion of the forums. If you want to get into facts, about what cars can do in terms of performance, then we can get into that, but don't sit there and call ALL FD guys "elitist pricks". That's BS. Mazda made a huge amount of progress with the FD model of the car, over the previous models, and that has, and is being acknowledged. I personally find this little domestic bashing within the 7 community to be immature, supported by the attitudes of insecure people.

*yawn*

I already apologized for the generalizing... read all the post in a thread prior to: :soapbox:

thank you, please drive through.

Say what you want to say about the styling aesthetics of RE Amemiya's wing, but you certainly wouldn't turn your nose up at it if you were driving RE Amemiya's time attack car at Tsukuba at haulass speeds and it was keeping your rear planted to the track as opposed to sliding into a wall.

I don't care if it's got a 26b under the fucking hood. I would not get in a car with such a ridiculous looking body kit. It absolutely kills the styling of the FD. :thumbd:

function > form

Actually, I did read the entire thread, and it was more than just the generalizing of FD owners (Some of your other comments were not accurate). This is not an attitude that is unique to you either, which is why I decided to post anyway. Typical of people to speak before thinking, but I'll drop it here...

what else was not accurate?

ok enuff of the gay jokes and retarded come backs, you guys talk like preteens, im a fuckin teenager and i dont even talk like that. grow-up!! Kahren is talking about a NA 13b and your talking about a 20b that has nothing to do with any of it. they are to different engines and make different kinds of power.

now the whole reason why he talks about this is because on a na its more predicdable than the seq. turbos, and no hes not going to the nonseq because thats a waste of time. he wants a powerful 13b because when on the track your in the high rpms. thats whats good about the 2 rotor whereas 3 rotor u got crazy torque, not high rpm hp.

STOP GETTING OFF THE SUBJECT!!! if its one thing i have learned about this forum is that pple get on here and start talking about somthin that has nothing to do with the other. if you want to talk about somthing start a NEW thread;)
thank you for your time:D
geoff

hey there is a fourm memeber in the FC fourm with a 260HP 6port motor.... Na too... thats pretty respectable that would pull with most stock FD's

Actually, there was never a distinction of which engine for NA. Kahren simply asked about NA FD's.