Anyone heard about these?? Venom 1600cc Side Feed injectors..
03-09-05 | 09:17 AM
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Anyone heard about these?? Venom 1600cc Side Feed injectors..
I ran across someone selling these on the forsale section couple of weeks ago and wondering if anyone here used it or seen one..
If these acturally flow what it claims and fit into stock rail, this might be a good buy for all the single turbo guys.
Thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...7&page=1&pp=15
If these acturally flow what it claims and fit into stock rail, this might be a good buy for all the single turbo guys.
Thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...7&page=1&pp=15
03-09-05 | 09:58 AM
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I can't find that part number (not even the HP627) portion on Venom's own site or any of their distributors. I was following that for sale thread too waiting to see what comes of this. I've e-mailed Venom about it and I'll post up my reply from them when it comes in (hopefully by the end of today, they are CA based so it'll be a bit until they're in the office).
03-09-05 | 10:38 AM
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wow, when i saw the for sale section, i though it was some guys bsing so he could sell his set of 1600 cc injectors. If these check out, and aren't too expensive, I think they are gonna have a hit with the rx7 people.
03-09-05 | 11:36 AM
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It will be interesting to see what happens with these, whether they are just an updated / remanufactures denso unit or a new product that was designed from the beginning to be a 1600.
I wonder if it is a high impedance, or if it has to be a low impedance for that size injector?
I wonder if it is a high impedance, or if it has to be a low impedance for that size injector?
03-09-05 | 12:12 PM
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In that thread, the seller states that they are high imp.. but who knows what they really are.. I want to see them get flow tested. And if they really are 1600s, I'm gonna be upset because I just recently dropped $300 on 1300s.
03-09-05 | 01:37 PM
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My reply from Venom today...
Direct OEM replacement to me means 550/850cc not 1600cc? This sounds like Venom will do custom porting of the injector to deliver the amount of fuel desired...
From going through the stuff at http://www.python-injection.com to their web catalog I found....
Pricing isn't listed on the web catalog, that is the * at the end of the entry. I'll look into this more tonight, this should be a good start for somebody else to corroborate my findings so far.
some of our fuel injector applicatons are not listed in the Venom
catalog
for whatever reason I cant explain., however any fuel injector that is
catalouged in the Python Injection catalog we can offer to have its
flow
rate modified from 19lbs - 190 cc up to 180 lbs. - 1800 cc. These fuel
injectors are an exact to fit OEM replacement no modifications required
for
installation.
Here is the Python Listing for mazda Rx-7's,
MAKE/MODEL YEAR CYL ENGINE/COMMENTS "SYS TYPE" AFM/AMS FUEL
INJEC.
FUEL PUMP
RX-7 1984-85 R 1.1L RE-EGI 827-684 627-089 727-427
RX-7 1984-85 R 1.3L RE-EGI 827-684 627-089 727-428
RX-7 1986-88 R W/O TURBO RE-EGI 827-685 627-090 740-549
RX-7 1986-88 R W/TURBO RE-EGI 827-686 627-091 740-549
RX-7 1989-92 R W/O TURBO RE-EGI 827-687 627-092 727-431
RX-7 1989-92 R W/TURBO RE-EGI 827-688 627-093 727-406
RX-7 1993-95 R PRIMARY RE-EGI 827-928 627-236 727-431
RX-7 1993-95 R SECONDARY RE-EGI - 627-237 -
Python has manufactured fuel injectors since 1989 and has a vast
database of
fuel injectors, when you order from us you can be assured that the fuel
injector you are getting is exactly what you are removing from the
existing
vehicle engine.
Thank You,
Venom Performance
catalog
for whatever reason I cant explain., however any fuel injector that is
catalouged in the Python Injection catalog we can offer to have its
flow
rate modified from 19lbs - 190 cc up to 180 lbs. - 1800 cc. These fuel
injectors are an exact to fit OEM replacement no modifications required
for
installation.
Here is the Python Listing for mazda Rx-7's,
MAKE/MODEL YEAR CYL ENGINE/COMMENTS "SYS TYPE" AFM/AMS FUEL
INJEC.
FUEL PUMP
RX-7 1984-85 R 1.1L RE-EGI 827-684 627-089 727-427
RX-7 1984-85 R 1.3L RE-EGI 827-684 627-089 727-428
RX-7 1986-88 R W/O TURBO RE-EGI 827-685 627-090 740-549
RX-7 1986-88 R W/TURBO RE-EGI 827-686 627-091 740-549
RX-7 1989-92 R W/O TURBO RE-EGI 827-687 627-092 727-431
RX-7 1989-92 R W/TURBO RE-EGI 827-688 627-093 727-406
RX-7 1993-95 R PRIMARY RE-EGI 827-928 627-236 727-431
RX-7 1993-95 R SECONDARY RE-EGI - 627-237 -
Python has manufactured fuel injectors since 1989 and has a vast
database of
fuel injectors, when you order from us you can be assured that the fuel
injector you are getting is exactly what you are removing from the
existing
vehicle engine.
Thank You,
Venom Performance
From going through the stuff at http://www.python-injection.com to their web catalog I found....
Looking for ...FUEL SYSTEM 1994 MAZDA RX-7 1.3L Fuel Injected RR Turbo Vin:RE13B
Manufacturer Part Number Description List Price Details
FUEL INJECTOR
PYTHON INJECTION INC. 627-236 [Fuel Injector] Reman.; RE-EGI; Pri. *
PYTHON INJECTION INC. 627-237 [Fuel Injector] Reman.; RE-EGI; Sec. *
Manufacturer Part Number Description List Price Details
FUEL INJECTOR
PYTHON INJECTION INC. 627-236 [Fuel Injector] Reman.; RE-EGI; Pri. *
PYTHON INJECTION INC. 627-237 [Fuel Injector] Reman.; RE-EGI; Sec. *
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03-09-05 | 02:07 PM
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FWIW, I also did some diggin' and spoke with a couple tech's this morning from Venom/Direct Auto and came to the conclusion that they're probably bored out stockers.
On a side note, I found out that they only charge approx. $172/pair to bore out your 850's to whatever you request with a 2-3 day turn around. Not a bad price, but not familiar with their work as I am with RC's work.
On a side note, I found out that they only charge approx. $172/pair to bore out your 850's to whatever you request with a 2-3 day turn around. Not a bad price, but not familiar with their work as I am with RC's work.
03-09-05 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by herblenny
So do you guys think boring out 850s to 1600s is safe?? I'm not sure if I want to bore out my stockers to that big..
If that is indeed what they're doing than my thought are exactly the same...heck I've been nervous about 1300 let alone bored out to 1600.
03-09-05 | 03:52 PM
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From this blurb on their website, it sounds like they may do more than just bore them out... but who knows
The electronic fuel injector is the termination point for the entire fuel delivery system. There is very small allowable variance in the quantity and spray pattern of the fuel delivered. As the demands placed upon this component increases with increasing degrees of performance the allowable variances must decrease. At Venom performance our fuel injectors are built to insure maximum expectations are achieved at each and every performance level.
We manufacture all fuel injectors in house. We have the ability to build fuel injectors at any specified flow rate from 19 lbs / hr up to 180 lbs/ hr. Electromagnetic coils are molded with aerospace grade polymer, injection molding, copper winding, etc. all done in house at venom performance! Since we wind our own electromagnetic coils in house it gives us the ability to build low or high ohm (impedance) fuel injectors. All of our fuel injector bodies, tops, etc. are machined in house on our HASS CNC and HAAS MILL machines.
All Venom fuel Injectors come with Bushings, O-rings, and filter baskets ! Balanced and matched to increase flow rate and atomization, tolerance held within +/- 1.5% of their nominal pound/flow. Advanced polymer is used in our o-rings to insure that there is no o-ring failure. Electrical plugs are molded of aerospace grade material, and utilize Solid copper terminals to increase current flow to the electromagnetic coil. Guide pins are slightly oversized for tighter fit reducing terminal corrosion. Fuel Injectors are leak tested at three times OEM operating pressure.
We manufacture all fuel injectors in house. We have the ability to build fuel injectors at any specified flow rate from 19 lbs / hr up to 180 lbs/ hr. Electromagnetic coils are molded with aerospace grade polymer, injection molding, copper winding, etc. all done in house at venom performance! Since we wind our own electromagnetic coils in house it gives us the ability to build low or high ohm (impedance) fuel injectors. All of our fuel injector bodies, tops, etc. are machined in house on our HASS CNC and HAAS MILL machines.
All Venom fuel Injectors come with Bushings, O-rings, and filter baskets ! Balanced and matched to increase flow rate and atomization, tolerance held within +/- 1.5% of their nominal pound/flow. Advanced polymer is used in our o-rings to insure that there is no o-ring failure. Electrical plugs are molded of aerospace grade material, and utilize Solid copper terminals to increase current flow to the electromagnetic coil. Guide pins are slightly oversized for tighter fit reducing terminal corrosion. Fuel Injectors are leak tested at three times OEM operating pressure.
03-09-05 | 05:01 PM
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Look at the pics.. they have green connector?? doesn't look like its bored out 850s.. Doesn't 850s have Red connecting top??
Just seem so odd.
Maybe they acturally made these injectors.. but can't see why now?? Me and SPOautos had this discussion today at lunch. Why would they now start to produce 1600cc side feed injectors?? also side feed injectors are pretty much used by rotaries.. Seems odd.
If they are bored to 1600cc's, I'm nervous to go this route. If they aren't bored.. I would like to know about fitment..
Just seem so odd.
Maybe they acturally made these injectors.. but can't see why now?? Me and SPOautos had this discussion today at lunch. Why would they now start to produce 1600cc side feed injectors?? also side feed injectors are pretty much used by rotaries.. Seems odd.
If they are bored to 1600cc's, I'm nervous to go this route. If they aren't bored.. I would like to know about fitment..
03-09-05 | 08:30 PM
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RC bored my 850's out to 1300. They ( being the experts ) said 1600 is too risky - bad pattern. So, I too have watched that thread, and so far there has been too many indicators that something isn't right.
Tom
Tom
03-09-05 | 10:33 PM
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Ok guys I'm a good frined with ryan, the one whos selling them.
1. they are not avaliable on regular market for sale to anyone.
2. They are custom made by venom.
3. They are brand new injectors.
4. There are not bored out "used" injectors.
I dont know how much "****" he can get into for selling these. THe seller has a "certain" connection through venom, in which he can request custom parts be made, that you cant buy elseware.
Call venom yourself, they will say theres no such thing.
Heres my advise, if your interested, contact Ryan via PM. Hes a good guy, and he might be able to get some more.
I've orderd some and they should be here next week. My cars going on the dyno right after, so we'll see of they REally work or not.
--Mike.
1. they are not avaliable on regular market for sale to anyone.
2. They are custom made by venom.
3. They are brand new injectors.
4. There are not bored out "used" injectors.
I dont know how much "****" he can get into for selling these. THe seller has a "certain" connection through venom, in which he can request custom parts be made, that you cant buy elseware.
Call venom yourself, they will say theres no such thing.
Heres my advise, if your interested, contact Ryan via PM. Hes a good guy, and he might be able to get some more.
I've orderd some and they should be here next week. My cars going on the dyno right after, so we'll see of they REally work or not.
--Mike.
03-09-05 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 1sicsol
Ok guys I'm a good frined with ryan, the one whos selling them.
1. they are not avaliable on regular market for sale to anyone.
2. They are custom made by venom.
3. They are brand new injectors.
4. There are not bored out "used" injectors.
I dont know how much "****" he can get into for selling these. THe seller has a "certain" connection through venom, in which he can request custom parts be made, that you cant buy elseware.
Call venom yourself, they will say theres no such thing.
Heres my advise, if your interested, contact Ryan via PM. Hes a good guy, and he might be able to get some more.
I've orderd some and they should be here next week. My cars going on the dyno right after, so we'll see of they REally work or not.
--Mike.
1. they are not avaliable on regular market for sale to anyone.
2. They are custom made by venom.
3. They are brand new injectors.
4. There are not bored out "used" injectors.
I dont know how much "****" he can get into for selling these. THe seller has a "certain" connection through venom, in which he can request custom parts be made, that you cant buy elseware.
Call venom yourself, they will say theres no such thing.
Heres my advise, if your interested, contact Ryan via PM. Hes a good guy, and he might be able to get some more.
I've orderd some and they should be here next week. My cars going on the dyno right after, so we'll see of they REally work or not.
--Mike.
I'm buying a set and will be happy to report the results as well.
03-09-05 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1sicsol
I've orderd some and they should be here next week. My cars going on the dyno right after, so we'll see of they REally work or not.
--Mike.
--Mike.
Mike,
Just curious if you could clarify one thing:
Does your friend have the injectors actually in stock, or are they drop-shipped from Venom?
03-10-05 | 12:18 AM
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Just think, if Venom would verify these are really 1600cc side feed high impedance injectors that are not just a bored out smaller size, they could sell a **** load of them to all the FD guys. I know I would buy a set and I bet there are quite a few others here who would ****** one up right away. I would think if they really are what they are claimed to be that it shouldnt be too hard to get Venom to verify this.
03-10-05 | 01:28 AM
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Just for guys tuning in, these are new injectors not bored out injectors.
These are direct from Venom and you wont get them anywhere else.
I had a couple other guys buy them so im sure someone will post up thoughts, more pics, and flow charts.
Mike as well as Boosted! are buying some. We will have full install pics of them for you also.
Just a note also, the supra, SR20DET, 300zx and many other cars use side feed injectors, not just rotary cars.
PM if interested.
Thanks Ryan
These are direct from Venom and you wont get them anywhere else.
I had a couple other guys buy them so im sure someone will post up thoughts, more pics, and flow charts.
Mike as well as Boosted! are buying some. We will have full install pics of them for you also.
Just a note also, the supra, SR20DET, 300zx and many other cars use side feed injectors, not just rotary cars.
PM if interested.
Thanks Ryan
03-12-05 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by herblenny
So do you guys think boring out 850s to 1600s is safe?? I'm not sure if I want to bore out my stockers to that big..
Jason
03-12-05 | 09:54 AM
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This is probably an extremely dumb question but besides easy of installation and price, what is the bennefit? I would think it would be better to have an aftermarket fuel rail to flow better, then again I really don't know what I am talking about, just curious.
03-12-05 | 10:33 AM
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Looking at this description "PYTHON INJECTION INC. 627-236 [Fuel Injector] Reman.; RE-EGI; Pri." The Reman would tell me that they are taking stock Nippondenso injectors and remanufacturing them. I dont know anyone else that makes a side feed injector other than Nippondenso. Most companies that sell side feed injectors buy Nippondenso and rebadge them as their own. If this is the case then someone over at python is just enlarging them to flow 1600cc and selling them to make a few bucks. I cant see python taking the time make their own 1600cc side feed injector, especially for the small market that would use them.
Jason
Jason
03-12-05 | 10:56 AM
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I think he said that these are not a regularly stocked item, they arent in the catalog and are special made to order for sertain people. I have ordered some of these also and will report back too.