Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Everyone's happy :)
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BTW - The crossover pipe will fit with the airpump and the r1 strut brace. Pictures below.
Oh, and the ducting is a work in progress so unless you have a useful suggestion please no comments on how it looks. Its effective when the hood is closed and thats all i needed for now. |
that is a great idea using the hood as part of the duct. I assume that you are using something to on the bottom of the intercooler to block off the hot air form the rad. I got a apexi intake, I don't see a way to have both the intake and this intercooler in the engine bay.
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Yeah, the shield actually wraps from the right-side of the intercooler along the bottom to block the output of the fans so it makes a shielded area that the stock duct feeds into.
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Everyone's happy :)
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You mean I should offer a lower quality less efficient core to bring the price down? Sorry I'm not interested in producing for the Wal Mart market, maybe that's what you want for your car and that's cool, to each their own. :bigthumb:
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
You mean I should offer a lower quality less efficient core to bring the price down? Sorry I'm not interested in producing for the Wal Mart market, maybe that's what you want for your car and that's cool, to each their own. :bigthumb:
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Originally Posted by HDP
That "not interested in producing for the Wal Mart market" statement sounds a little prejudice to me. But from reading some of your past (more recent) posts, I can clearly see that in you.
Originally Posted by HDP
If I sold an item, I think I would cater to as many as I possibly could, more money in my pocket at the end of the day rather than the next man... that is your goal, right?
I've considered offering a package to the people buying those cheap cores though if that helps. It would be the ASP duct, the seal material and the cast air pump friendly turbo pipe for about $350. |
Kevin I would be interested in that. I wish you would have said that 2 weeks ago. I need an air pump pipe and a duct. I did fabricate my own, but I love the ASP duct and the x-over pipe looks pro style. Also I think that would prove there is no hard feelings on your part and willing to help others out in a different predictament. If you did consider this, wouldn't that be good for everyone involved. You could make it definately worth wild for both parties. Otherwise someone else will start making what you are considering and then you will be left behind playing the "victim" again. Explaining why your product is better. Let us know what you decide.
-Jason:) |
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
I guess that makes you another one of those people that aren't equipped to carry on a reasonable debate without resorting to the race card then. How the heck do you people get prejudice from a conversation about cars in the first place? Is it fun playing the victim all the time?
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
No it's not. I don't have time to build any significant number of IC's so I'm not looking to offer a high volume low price version. My time for car stuff is very finite so I'd prefer to stick with the higher quality and pricepoint gear while I'm doing it.
I've considered offering a package to the people buying those cheap cores though if that helps. It would be the ASP duct, the seal material and the cast air pump friendly turbo pipe for about $350. |
aww, damnit! Im not even going to attempt to compete with the almighty Kevin T. Wyum. For all those who asked me about a duct, if Kevin is going to do his package deal, forget it.
oh and the numbers I posted previously were with half the duct inlet being blocked. The numbers are now within a few degrees FAHRENHEIT of the numbers posted for the ASP/M2 units. ;) |
lets put it this way, I would buy from whomever had the best price and design. PERIOD! business is not personal. Demand speaks, you have a lot of guys getting this intercooler and no duct. so again, whomever comes up with one I would consider getting it. comprenda?
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there is simply 'NO POINT' in offering a less expensive intercooler kit.
the stock intercooler is already free. there is no reason to do a mediocre job of 'improving' it. the greddy FMIC is already at 899$ brand new. that is a great compromise and affordability. if you cannot afford kevin or chucks kits. |
nope...no point in dropping temps and less pressure drop. :rolleyes: absolutely no point in upgrading when you are seeing 70C on the stock IC?? I think not. FMIC? sure, but if you dont want to cut the front bumper and block airflow to the radiator. but then again, I guess you call being within a few degrees of a $1500 IC kit mediocre. to each his own...
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo_SE7EN
nope...no point in dropping temps and less pressure drop. :rolleyes: absolutely no point in upgrading when you are seeing 70C on the stock IC?? I think not. FMIC? sure, but if you dont want to cut the front bumper and block airflow to the radiator. but then again, I guess you call being within a few degrees of a $1500 IC kit mediocre. to each his own...
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Originally Posted by jayk
I agree, FMIC is not an option in my opinion, neither is $1500 for an ic. I've been seeing temps at least 20 degrees less than stock and gained ~2psi when i switched to this intercooler from stock. Which meant I could turn down my boost controller so the turbos don't have to work as hard. Both well worth $225.
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I will have pictures in the next day or two of the fiberglass duct I made for mine. I have re designed it since I took the picture posted in this thread. I'd like to make them for you guys. shoot me a PM if you would be interested in getting one. prices should be in the $150 range. :)
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo_SE7EN
I will have pictures in the next day or two of the fiberglass duct I made for mine. I have re designed it since I took the picture posted in this thread. I'd like to make them for you guys. shoot me a PM if you would be interested in getting one. prices should be in the $150 range. :)
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Ive got the structural part down. Im in the process of finishing the outside so it looks good.
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with everything I have researched about intercoolers. I have come to the conclusion that I cannot see the pay-off between getting an ss autochrome intercooler and the higher priced smic such as ASP, Greddy, etc. The ss intercooler is an older core, but is a proven bar and plate design. Kevin even said "worth" $250.00, and much better than stock. Therefore I cannot see paying double or triple for an intercooler that may or may not drop the intake temp as much as the ss for $250.00. I feel this thing is nice and will perform. Now we just need someone making a duct and its off to the races. These are not pieces of shit, they are affordable alternatives. Whoever fills the demand for the duct will have some business, cause there are going to be more of us getting these in the future.
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Originally Posted by sonix7
with everything I have researched about intercoolers. I have come to the conclusion that I cannot see the pay-off between getting an ss autochrome intercooler and the higher priced smic such as ASP, Greddy, etc. The ss intercooler is an older core, but is a proven bar and plate design. Kevin even said "worth" $250.00, and much better than stock. Therefore I cannot see paying double or triple for an intercooler that may or may not drop the intake temp as much as the ss for $250.00. I feel this thing is nice and will perform. Now we just need someone making a duct and its off to the races. These are not pieces of shit, they are affordable alternatives. Whoever fills the demand for the duct will have some business, cause there are going to be more of us getting these in the future.
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What I was thinking of was offering people the real ASP Medium or Large IC duct with seal and cast pipe that works with the air pump for 300-400, I mentioned this 14 posts above. If people are willing to take the chance on the SSautochrome core (that whole package is less than half of MY COST for just the core) then I might be willing to save others the time of having to make a duct etc.
With that in mind and just playing with numbers I'll do the package for $345 for anyone that wants it plus whatever Fedex charges to box and ship, just don't ask me for any support with your SS autochrome stuff. I'd also still caution people to think twice about using one of those cores, debris or bad seam/weld could cost you a motor and or set of turbos. PM or email me if you want them. It'll be a few weeks on the cast tube, the foundry has to do another run of them and yes I do take credit cards now. Sonix7 I think you misunderstood someones post if you think there's a chance the SS autochrome core will outperform the others, the person was talking about a 20degree drop compared to stock. Anyway glad the thread has stayed reasonable. |
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
What I was thinking of was offering people the real ASP Medium or Large IC duct with seal and cast pipe that works with the air pump for 300-400, I mentioned this 14 posts above. If people are willing to take the chance on the SSautochrome core (that whole package is less than half of MY COST for just the core) then I might be willing to save others the time of having to make a duct etc.
With that in mind and just playing with numbers I'll do the package for $345 for anyone that wants it plus whatever Fedex charges to box and ship, just don't ask me for any support with your SS autochrome stuff. I'd also still caution people to think twice about using one of those cores, debris or bad seam/weld could cost you a motor and or set of turbos. PM or email me if you want them. It'll be a few weeks on the cast tube, the foundry has to do another run of them and yes I do take credit cards now. Sonix7 I think you misunderstood someones post if you think there's a chance the SS autochrome core will outperform the others, the person was talking about a 20degree drop compared to stock. Anyway glad the thread has stayed reasonable. |
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
What I was thinking of was offering people the real ASP Medium or Large IC duct with seal and cast pipe that works with the air pump for 300-400, I mentioned this 14 posts above. If people are willing to take the chance on the SSautochrome core (that whole package is less than half of MY COST for just the core) then I might be willing to save others the time of having to make a duct etc.
With that in mind and just playing with numbers I'll do the package for $345 for anyone that wants it plus whatever Fedex charges to box and ship, just don't ask me for any support with your SS autochrome stuff. I'd also still caution people to think twice about using one of those cores, debris or bad seam/weld could cost you a motor and or set of turbos. PM or email me if you want them. It'll be a few weeks on the cast tube, the foundry has to do another run of them and yes I do take credit cards now. Sonix7 I think you misunderstood someones post if you think there's a chance the SS autochrome core will outperform the others, the person was talking about a 20degree drop compared to stock. Anyway glad the thread has stayed reasonable. Also, I'd like to second the fact that nobody is claiming this is better than the higher-end options. The only thing we know is that it is better than stock, and hopefully build problems won't surface. |
Honestly I don't really know anything about the piping they used, just what I've seen in these threads, so I can't really help you with any of that. I seem to recall it wasn't even the right diameter for the car before when it was being sold as the race proven FD super power IC :) As I said above I won't be able to support the parts I'm not providing so I can't vouch for how good of a copy it is etc. I'd like to keep the pipe and core together since I need to place a new foundry order anyway. I don't want to make this a sales thread or anything so let me just leave it as I'll provide the two items from my normal kit, what's done with them is up to the consumer.
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