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Old 06-03-04 | 11:12 PM
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Batman....

won't it be difficult to compare your results as your car is modded different then most...that is the ceramic coated rotors and your reduced heat soak and knock that your already reported?

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=313436
Old 06-03-04 | 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
I had my car on the dyno about a week ago and put down 315HP and 280FT at about 8~10 psi. This was done on 89 Octane pump gas and running 12.5:1 A/F ratio.
If your car was on the dyno only a week ago, you would probably have a better idea of exactly what the peak power numbers were, down to one decimal place.

Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?
Old 06-03-04 | 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
gotta love you guys.

batman...would you please shut up already. you have been repeating those few statements for the past six months.

i find a four hundred dollar bolt amusing. hahahahahha!!!!
So did I until I saved my engine one day on a lean spike of 13.7:1 A/F at 12 psi...... What you can't see in the picture is the tip of this "ButtPlug" cough TrailPlug product. They tip prevents the carbon buildup and blow-by from effecting the engine. If it were just a bolt I would save myself the face and keep it to myself.

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Old 06-03-04 | 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
If your car was on the dyno only a week ago, you would probably have a better idea of exactly what the peak power numbers were, down to one decimal place.

Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?
No, no problem. I get it scanned in the A.M. and have it posted on here tomorrow. My numbers were given off the top of my head, as I don't have the sheet in front of me.

I've also got some pics of my car on the mustang dyno if you would like those as well....

Thanks,

Steven
Old 06-03-04 | 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
So did I until I saved my engine one day on a lean spike of 13.7:1 A/F at 12 psi...... What you can't see in the picture is the tip of this "ButtPlug" cough TrailPlug product.

Steven.
Please stop my dear good fellow ... I falling out of my chair rolling on the floor laughing.

The term "butt plug" is rightfully my trademark. Please refer to the first page. I intend to enforce this trademark up the orifices of those using them w/o my permission.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:20 PM
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I'm just curious as to how the rotary engine (The 13BREW in this case), has been around so long, and gone through so much trial and error, been considered one of least reliable of motors... and the "save all" fix is removing plugs? If it works, awesome! I'll stick around and see what the results are after a few people give it a whirl though.

Has Peter Farrell commented on this that any one knows of? I'm curious of his response. He has been in the rotary game for some time..
Old 06-03-04 | 11:20 PM
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Hey Donkey, here are some more of my input:

Put some smoke and mirror on it, like flashing LEDs designed to be synchronized with the combustion process, may be some kind of whistle?

You want to sell turds, you gotta dress it up.

You see, if I'm going to spend $450 that **** better look like it's doing something. Take for example my HKS Twinpower that I paid $500 for. Hell if I know it works or not but damn, every time I opened the hood and people saw the nice gold-anodized box with the flashing Red-LED synchronized with the ignition and ooh and ahhed, I felt it was worth the $500.

And "functional"? These butt plugs don't have a function as they eliminate a function so they are technically "non-functional"?

Try putting some red "Type R" stickers at the end of the butt plugs. That should help the marketing.
Yo buddy! DON'T BUY IT. You have clearly made your point, thanks.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
I've also got some pics of my car on the mustang dyno if you would like those as well....
315 RWHP on a Mustang dyno at only 8~10 psi? Sounds like you got some of Don't Be A Rikki's secret sauce...

What are your modifications?
Old 06-03-04 | 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by jdhuegel1
I'm just curious as to how the rotary engine (The 13BREW in this case), has been around so long, and gone through so much trial and error, been considered one of least reliable of motors... and the "save all" fix is removing plugs?
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
Old 06-03-04 | 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
... They tip prevents the carbon buildup and blow-by from effecting the engine...
so there must be a slight radius to make flush to the housing no? if this is the case....
*edit* nevermind. i dont even want to get involved. i will just sit back and watch this thread.


Originally posted by wickedrx7
BATMAN???? Where are you getting your info??? I am really confused, I think we need to clarify this.
i am "starting" to wonder if he has any info. if he did... and this was/is "THE" anti-det device, then this product DOES have something to do with Skip and KD. if it truly does NOT have anything to do with it as stated by Steven, then batman has been exposed for not knowing anything about this subject the whole time he has been claiming he does.
and please keep the flames out of it please. feel free to do all the flaming you want via PM's. thanks


Old 06-03-04 | 11:31 PM
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315 RWHP on a Mustang dyno at only 8~10 psi? Sounds like you got some of Don't Be A Rikki's secret sauce...

What are your modifications?
3 inch Downpipe
3 inch midpipe with xr1 muffler
Greddy Cat-back
1600cc injectors
Vortech FMU regulator
Custom -8AN fuel lines from begining to end
Weldon Racing fuel Pump
Haltech E6K
Motec PLM
StewartWarner high rate EGR sensor
MSD DIS-2 HO Ignition running non-wasted spark
Running tailing spark plugs in leading locations
Customer ported wastegate
Clipped turbox2
Underdrive Kit
Custom cold air intake system
MSD DIS Coils

I'm assuming here that the mustang dyno has approx a 15% difference than a Dynojet from what I understand. So subtract 15% from my numbers and that's what the mustang dyno spit out for me.

Thanks.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
Yup. Exactly my point. Not trying to say it hasn't, or doesn't work; just baffles me that it came so late in the game..
Old 06-03-04 | 11:34 PM
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Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
Mazda did but as my product history states, Mazda needed emission control in an age where carburetors and mechanical ignition were the norm....
Old 06-03-04 | 11:36 PM
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So Donkey-Kong,

You added 15% to the figure provided by the Mustang Dyno?

This means that the Mustang Dyno spitted out 274 RWHP and you added 15%?

WTF? Truth in advertising anybody?
Old 06-03-04 | 11:37 PM
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Steven. I am good friends of the KDR crew and have known about this for a long time. So, you are the "nice guy" that Skip has been referring to when conversing with him about the mod. The great guy that was helping him go from version 1, which I have, to the nice one-piece plug? he must have really upset you for you to do this. I do not know what has happened to your relationship with Skip but it must have ended on a sour note.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:38 PM
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Well folks, I've been up running around chasing fire trucks trying to help put out fires all day. I'm tired, going to bed, and will pick up the fire hose tomorrow.

Good night all.

Thanks,

Steven
Old 06-03-04 | 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
3 inch Downpipe
3 inch midpipe with xr1 muffler
Greddy Cat-back
1600cc injectors
Vortech FMU regulator
Custom -8AN fuel lines from begining to end
Weldon Racing fuel Pump
Haltech E6K
Motec PLM
StewartWarner high rate EGR sensor
MSD DIS-2 HO Ignition running non-wasted spark
Running tailing spark plugs in leading locations
Customer ported wastegate
Clipped turbox2
Underdrive Kit
Custom cold air intake system
MSD DIS Coils
So you're claiming 315 RWHP with stock twins (clipped or not) on a Mustang dyno at only ~8-10 psi? Just want to be clear on what you're claiming here.

I'm assuming here that the mustang dyno has approx a 15% difference than a Dynojet from what I understand. So subtract 15% from my numbers and that's what the mustang dyno spit out for me.
So you added 15% to your results to make your numbers "Dynojet-compatible"? So let me get this straight... what you're saying now that you only made ~268 (315 - 15%) RWHP on the Mustang dyno?

Jesus your story has a lot of holes in it...
Old 06-03-04 | 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
Well folks, I've been up running around chasing fire trucks trying to help put out fires all day. I'm tired, going to bed, and will pick up the fire hose tomorrow.
Translation... I'm full of it and can't really dispute that, so I'm leaving.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:49 PM
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i read this and it kindof makes some sense to me.

so now if we have 2 sparks fireing at a differnet time i could see how the combustion chamber could have one flame go one way and the other flame go the oppoisit direction not makeing the flame flow in one direction, causeing DET.

but i also see where some people are coming from saying that the rotary race cars have 3 plugs now i think that that would be better than 2 plugs or just one because it would be easyer to get the flame to go one direction. makeing less det

so from what i under stand 3 plugs per rotor is SUPER great

1 plug is better than 2

but 2 plugs could really mess some things up. AKA our engine going boooooooooooom

this is just my input and what i think.

over all i would most likely try it. and i think that it might work.. i mean what could it hurt????? unless u have emissions
Old 06-03-04 | 11:49 PM
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On another note, you mentioned on your website that "glowing hot" Carbon deposits can in essence cause detonation by pre-igniting the mixture before the plug sparks right?

Carbon deposits can also cause detonation as they will glow hot and ignite the intake mixture if allowed to buildup.
So how does a giant metal "buttplug" with larger surface area then a small carbon deposit not heat up and do the same thing.

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Old 06-03-04 | 11:50 PM
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Translation... I'm full of it and can't really dispute that, so I'm leaving.
No boss, I'll be back tomorrow to play.

Later,

Steven
Old 06-03-04 | 11:54 PM
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Here is my favorite part:

Customers purchase and use this product at their own risk!


The use of TrailPlug® may do the following:

* Increase combustion temperatures from leaner A/F ratio's, leading to apex seal damage, rotor face damage, turbo damage, and other heat susceptible damage.
Old 06-03-04 | 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Translation... I'm full of it and can't really dispute that, so I'm leaving.
Uh-ohhh, we have gotten Jim involved. I guess we won't be seeing this guy around here again.



Bottom Line- We still have no clarification if this product is in any way related to KDR.

Also-His mods are very fishy, stock intercooler and turbos? Customer ported wastegate? Big deal? This guy is just digging himself into a hole.

He would have been a lot better off posting about this himself, with real world results and testamonials. Also he should have asked a more beleivable amount for them, lets say $100. He might have sold a few for that.

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Old 06-03-04 | 11:57 PM
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for a $100 i would buy it

but not for $450 just tooo fishy
Old 06-03-04 | 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
Hey listen donkey, before you offer stuff to the public, test them out first and stand behind your product.

Sending the **** out to a few people doesn't cut it.

The number one thing that tells me this is **** is that you don't have it (or at least I don't see it) on your car.

The second thing that tells me this is **** is that you're eliminating a trailing plug that is part of the whole emission set up. The car will most likely not pass emission in most states.

The third thing is why is this **** the only thing available on the website?

The fourth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the much vaunted "Tornado" crock of **** that's still being sold.

The fifth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the 200 mpg carburators.

The sixth thing is ... oh yeah, it's ******* butt-ugly, it looks like butt plugs the Pentagon passed out to the Iraquis after they've been detained at Abu Ghraib far too long.
Ur right, it won't pass emissions.

Nor does an external-vented BOV, a DP&MP configuration, and a few other multitude of mods.



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