Anti Detonation Info - I hope this is a joke
06-04-04 | 03:35 PM
#276
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Originally posted by BATMAN
u forgot the other half were people are bitching about the price.
u forgot the other half were people are bitching about the price.
06-04-04 | 03:38 PM
#279
Originally posted by Senseny
I am one of the original, KD installed, purchasers of the product. I won't comment if Steven's device is the same thing, but I am guessing since most of you seem to be pretty smart you can figure out what seems to have happened here.
I bought the "device" on Skip and KD's word, and after finding out what I bought, I may have felt like I overspent for the actual product, but I hope not for the results. That is where my feelings stand today. I like and personally trust Skip, Dave and Kim.
I am one of the original, KD installed, purchasers of the product. I won't comment if Steven's device is the same thing, but I am guessing since most of you seem to be pretty smart you can figure out what seems to have happened here.
I bought the "device" on Skip and KD's word, and after finding out what I bought, I may have felt like I overspent for the actual product, but I hope not for the results. That is where my feelings stand today. I like and personally trust Skip, Dave and Kim.
06-04-04 | 03:38 PM
#280
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Originally posted by Rx-7$4$me
so then why does the site say its compatable with the stock ECU?
so then why does the site say its compatable with the stock ECU?
one of the best ones so far.
I spoke with skip and we both agree that the stock ECU with this device is suffice for 15psi.
it will work with the PFC too.
06-04-04 | 03:40 PM
#281
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Originally posted by Assud
No i just think if the cost could have been backed by real world results people wouldnt have complained about the price. All we have now is a shoddy website, an explanation with spelling and grammar errors, a guy whos sold 1 item on ebay, and some dyno numbers that dont match up. Id hardly consider it something that warrants 450 dollars for something thats "suposedly" tried and true but no information other than words can be provided.
No i just think if the cost could have been backed by real world results people wouldnt have complained about the price. All we have now is a shoddy website, an explanation with spelling and grammar errors, a guy whos sold 1 item on ebay, and some dyno numbers that dont match up. Id hardly consider it something that warrants 450 dollars for something thats "suposedly" tried and true but no information other than words can be provided.
06-04-04 | 03:43 PM
#282
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Exactly...if you want to corner a market on a product or idea that works, price is important. If the price is so drastically wrong, someone else will make it right and you will either be forced to compete (the nature of business) or be out of business.
06-04-04 | 03:48 PM
#284
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Originally posted by TracyRX7
[sarcasm]
We are working on a set of bushings to replace your stock rubber bushings with a top secret material I can't really tell you about becuase I'm getting a patent on it (no really I am!). These bushings completely eliminate wheel hop and let me have amazing '60 times on even a stock clutch, driveshaft, diff and rear axles with no risk of breaking!
I've got some people testing them now and once they're done we'll have them for sale....
(A year or so later)
Ok, I have a website now and you can buy the bushings, they're only $13,000 (seems fair, same markup % or so as the BP). So who wants a set?
Oh and in my totally stock '93 touring I ran a 1.154 '60 foot time on street tires with them, I just need to find my slip and I'll scan it really I will.
[/sarcasm]
[sarcasm]
We are working on a set of bushings to replace your stock rubber bushings with a top secret material I can't really tell you about becuase I'm getting a patent on it (no really I am!). These bushings completely eliminate wheel hop and let me have amazing '60 times on even a stock clutch, driveshaft, diff and rear axles with no risk of breaking!
I've got some people testing them now and once they're done we'll have them for sale....
(A year or so later)
Ok, I have a website now and you can buy the bushings, they're only $13,000 (seems fair, same markup % or so as the BP). So who wants a set?
Oh and in my totally stock '93 touring I ran a 1.154 '60 foot time on street tires with them, I just need to find my slip and I'll scan it really I will.
[/sarcasm]
06-04-04 | 03:49 PM
#285
Originally posted by montego
Let me tell you a little story here:
I used to be in the smartcard industry. We were a start up company of not even 5 years. Our niche was to make machines for the production of smartcards.
Our customers were selling their manufactured cards (made from our machines) to their customers (big companies) for almost $4.00 each. Supply and demand right? There are only a few smartcard manufacturers so the ongoing price was to gauge.
What did we do? A company with ten people? We went into the smartcard manufacturing bussiness. But instead we SOLD THEM FOR $0.99!!! Cut the WORLD market price by 1/4!!! and still made a substantial profit because we got all of their customers. Other manufacturers called several times trying to entice us to raise the prices up, not because they could not compete but because they wanted to still make those killer profits.
Let me tell you a little story here:
I used to be in the smartcard industry. We were a start up company of not even 5 years. Our niche was to make machines for the production of smartcards.
Our customers were selling their manufactured cards (made from our machines) to their customers (big companies) for almost $4.00 each. Supply and demand right? There are only a few smartcard manufacturers so the ongoing price was to gauge.
What did we do? A company with ten people? We went into the smartcard manufacturing bussiness. But instead we SOLD THEM FOR $0.99!!! Cut the WORLD market price by 1/4!!! and still made a substantial profit because we got all of their customers. Other manufacturers called several times trying to entice us to raise the prices up, not because they could not compete but because they wanted to still make those killer profits.
06-04-04 | 03:50 PM
#286
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From: Scott AFB, IL
Originally posted by rallimike
It is amusing to read all these PhD's in Economics. In a free market, the price is set by demand, not the cost of production. No one makes you buy the product; if you think it is too expensive, don't buy it.
Don't steal it either. If it's such a simple idea, how come no one else thought of it?
It is amusing to read all these PhD's in Economics. In a free market, the price is set by demand, not the cost of production. No one makes you buy the product; if you think it is too expensive, don't buy it.
Don't steal it either. If it's such a simple idea, how come no one else thought of it?
Does Ari use something similar? Or any other big racers? They don't need emissions, so if the extra plugs are just for emissions.. Why would all the drag guys continue to use them? (That's an honest question.)
Anyway, I remain interested. Hopefully some dyno sheets and pictures are soon to follow. Along with some AFR's and EGT's.
06-04-04 | 03:51 PM
#287
No it's not Turbo'd
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If I make a bolt that has a different head on it, butt jokes asside, and use a different material, I doubt I'd be in infringement, especially if I have never seen the thing personally, and therfore can't rip off something that I have never been exposed to. That's what the whole idea of Compaq's clones of IBM Cmos, was way back then... make it do the same thing, but get there differently.... The only thing that would discourage me from doing this at the least for myself are 1 I don't re-manufacture snake oil, no matter how "charming" it might be. And two if the price were reasonable enough, why copy something that's just a couple of bucks more expensive to purchase the original and spare myself the hassle.
06-04-04 | 04:00 PM
#288
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Originally posted by BATMAN
that's a good question.
one of the best ones so far.
I spoke with skip and we both agree that the stock ECU with this device is suffice for 15psi.
it will work with the PFC too.
that's a good question.
one of the best ones so far.
I spoke with skip and we both agree that the stock ECU with this device is suffice for 15psi.
it will work with the PFC too.
06-04-04 | 04:00 PM
#289
Hey, where did my $$$ go?
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From: Bimingham, AL
Originally posted by montego
ILet me tell you a little story here:
I used to be in the smartcard industry. We were a start up company of not even 5 years. Our niche was to make machines for the production of smartcards.
Our customers were selling their manufactured cards (made from our machines) to their customers (big companies) for almost $4.00 each. Supply and demand right? There are only a few smartcard manufacturers so the ongoing price was to gauge.
What did we do? A company with ten people? We went into the smartcard manufacturing bussiness. But instead we SOLD THEM FOR $0.99!!! Cut the WORLD market price by 1/4!!! and still made a substantial profit because we got all of their customers. Other manufacturers called several times trying to entice us to raise the prices up, not because they could not compete but because they wanted to still make those killer profits.
Don't assume that everyone on this board is a 20 year old who dosen't know what they are talking about.
ILet me tell you a little story here:
I used to be in the smartcard industry. We were a start up company of not even 5 years. Our niche was to make machines for the production of smartcards.
Our customers were selling their manufactured cards (made from our machines) to their customers (big companies) for almost $4.00 each. Supply and demand right? There are only a few smartcard manufacturers so the ongoing price was to gauge.
What did we do? A company with ten people? We went into the smartcard manufacturing bussiness. But instead we SOLD THEM FOR $0.99!!! Cut the WORLD market price by 1/4!!! and still made a substantial profit because we got all of their customers. Other manufacturers called several times trying to entice us to raise the prices up, not because they could not compete but because they wanted to still make those killer profits.
Don't assume that everyone on this board is a 20 year old who dosen't know what they are talking about.
Why did you undercut so much? Where is the incintive? I would have just undercut a little and let the price fall more naturally. Every industry and product goes thru that phase. What happends is someone else decides to sell them for .85 then someone for .80 then someone for .75 then someone for .60 till no one can make any money at all and they all start going out of business. Then you'd think at that point the price would start going back toward $4 but it never gets back to the hay day cause once the customer base knows you can sell them at .60 they'll never pay $4. It would prob get up to around a .80 and settle with everyone left selling it for around the same price.
Course, you never know.....tell us the rest of the story. What happened and why are you not still in business?
As a comparison to the butt plugs, what will happen is in about 6 months they'll be on Ebay for about $20 shipped and no one will be able to make a business off of it except some kid selling them out of his bedroom
STEPHEN
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06-04-04 | 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Zero R
Great and a smarter person would have not cut his own throat in the process, why not have sold them for 3.50 and everyone could be happy, and then it would rely more on your marketing skills and quality of product, then when they go to 3.25 so do you. you should of let the market dictate your price a little more.
Great and a smarter person would have not cut his own throat in the process, why not have sold them for 3.50 and everyone could be happy, and then it would rely more on your marketing skills and quality of product, then when they go to 3.25 so do you. you should of let the market dictate your price a little more.
06-04-04 | 04:08 PM
#293
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Originally posted by DCrosby
If I make a bolt that has a different head on it, butt jokes asside, and use a different material, I doubt I'd be in infringement, especially if I have never seen the thing personally, and therfore can't rip off something that I have never been exposed to. .........
If I make a bolt that has a different head on it, butt jokes asside, and use a different material, I doubt I'd be in infringement, especially if I have never seen the thing personally, and therfore can't rip off something that I have never been exposed to. .........
SO for example, if he said that it's made outta metal, any kinda metal, then u will probably have problems with bypassing that.
06-04-04 | 04:09 PM
#294
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Originally posted by Assud
You stand behind the product so whole heartedly, you should install the device in your car RIGHT NOW. That way you can back up everything youve been saying. But if you cant, i guess it really shows how much you believe in it
You stand behind the product so whole heartedly, you should install the device in your car RIGHT NOW. That way you can back up everything youve been saying. But if you cant, i guess it really shows how much you believe in it
06-04-04 | 04:10 PM
#295
Originally posted by SPOautos
Why did you undercut so much? Where is the incintive? I would have just undercut a little and let the price fall more naturally. Every industry and product goes thru that phase. What happends is someone else decides to sell them for .85 then someone for .80 then someone for .75 then someone for .60 till no one can make any money at all and they all start going out of business. Then you'd think at that point the price would start going back toward $4 but it never gets back to the hay day cause once the customer base knows you can sell them at .60 they'll never pay $4. It would prob get up to around a .80 and settle with everyone left selling it for around the same price.
Course, you never know.....tell us the rest of the story. What happened and why are you not still in business?
Why did you undercut so much? Where is the incintive? I would have just undercut a little and let the price fall more naturally. Every industry and product goes thru that phase. What happends is someone else decides to sell them for .85 then someone for .80 then someone for .75 then someone for .60 till no one can make any money at all and they all start going out of business. Then you'd think at that point the price would start going back toward $4 but it never gets back to the hay day cause once the customer base knows you can sell them at .60 they'll never pay $4. It would prob get up to around a .80 and settle with everyone left selling it for around the same price.
Course, you never know.....tell us the rest of the story. What happened and why are you not still in business?
Originally posted by SPOautos
As a comparison to the butt plugs, what will happen is in about 6 months they'll be on Ebay for about $20 shipped and no one will be able to make a business off of it except some kid selling them out of his bedroom
STEPHEN
As a comparison to the butt plugs, what will happen is in about 6 months they'll be on Ebay for about $20 shipped and no one will be able to make a business off of it except some kid selling them out of his bedroom
STEPHEN
06-04-04 | 04:11 PM
#296
Originally posted by Zero R
Great and a smarter person would have not cut his own throat in the process, why not have sold them for 3.50 and everyone could be happy, and then it would rely more on your marketing skills and quality of product, then when they go to 3.25 so do you. you should of let the market dictate your price a little more.
Great and a smarter person would have not cut his own throat in the process, why not have sold them for 3.50 and everyone could be happy, and then it would rely more on your marketing skills and quality of product, then when they go to 3.25 so do you. you should of let the market dictate your price a little more.
Proof is in the pudding I've lived it so I know.
Anyway this off topic so I don't want to continue on a tangent.
06-04-04 | 04:12 PM
#297
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Originally posted by BATMAN
SO for example, if he said that it's made outta metal, any kinda metal, then u will probably have problems with bypassing that.
SO for example, if he said that it's made outta metal, any kinda metal, then u will probably have problems with bypassing that.
06-04-04 | 04:12 PM
#298
I live it also and do know you would have made more letting the market dictate your price , you can't say you know because you don't know how much you lost. HOw many at .99 sense need to be sold to equal 3.50 then 3.25and so on.
Last edited by Zero R; 06-04-04 at 04:19 PM.
