teamstealth

that's what'll happen when people promise the golden key to running high boost, low octane, and no detionation....then withhold all information for 6 months I just hope Skip will eventually knock the NDA's, come out with all his info and explain EXACTLY what he's selling and end all of this speculation.


But back to jason and the original point of the thread....any dyno runs yet?

matty

if jason isnt aware of what tunnning is required then what he is testing is the pg product not the kdr product. i think we need to view the two seperately.

teamstealth

Agreed. Im just eager to see any kind of test data on either product

Jason

iTrader: (5)

From my understanding they are the same. Skip was having PG Unlimited make the plugs in quantity until things fell apart between them.

There are 2 things to watch when tuning a car and thats EGT and A/F. Not that difficult. I can tell you from running these there is no big secret. Im sure Skip would like you to believe that it takes hours to tune for these plugs but thats not the case.

Jason

radkins

It seems that whoever is going to sell these is stalling themselves out of alot of money.

teamstealth

^case in point right there

Black97VR4

Skip told me that there was never an agreement about manufacturing the plugs. He said basically what happened was that Steven had the device installed, signed the agreement but then proceeded to reverse engineer it but not get it right.

Also I don't believe Jason would market this with the intent to rip KDR off. I was meaning that Steven was aiming toward using Jason to distribute the plug potentially so it would really be Steven ripping KDR off assuming Jason doesn't know the whole story which I don't think he does.

jimlab

Does that mean that I get to kick everyone who stuck up for Steven in the other anti-det. threads square in the nuts because I already smelled rat?

Black97VR4

If you ask me, yes!

Pg-Unlimited

I'm going to have to chime in here on the comments you have made, which is false. Skip and I speak about every week in some shape way or form. Skip has never indicated that he wanted to terminate our friendship. Those folks who do have NDA's probably don't even know of this forum or think about this, perhaps the product that was being pitched by pg-unlimited truly isn't the same thing Skip has and thus the 60 or so NDA's are still in effect.....

Regardless, think about it people. First there is this frenzy about a year or two ago on this forum about some "Device" that could prevent detonation, then at the beginning of this year some company that no one has heard of before starts posting information about developments with Skip for a "Anti-Detonation Device". Everyone and their brother wondered what happen to Dave at KDR, not knowing that Skip was the inventor of what they are selling. Then all the information disappears on pg-unlimited only to be replaced with some crap about Trailplugs with no real information but empty words and nothing to back the theory up. HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD FROM KDR OR SKIP FOR THAT MATTER ON THIS FORUM TO EXPLAIN WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THIS IS TRUE? NO!

I hate to say it but everyone here has been punk'ed. If you really want to know what the "Anti-Detonation Device" is, please contact Skip at KDR and he will work with you on a one-on-one basis to help you out.

Thanks,

Steven

jimlab

No ****? Next you'll tell us someone hacked your site and posted that information (and stole Blake's animation while they were at it) without your knowledge and you're consulting your lawyer about it...

grinn253

from https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...85#post2143385
Just curious if Pg-Unlimited was also an unbeliever of the 'device' at first?

Thanks,
Edgardo

rxrotary2_7

so Steven is Ashton Kutcher?

Pg-Unlimited

Sure Jim, whatever you want baby! Just let me know what you want to hear next and I'll tell you. Isn't that the benefit of sitting in front of a computer, dishing out crap, and never having to worry about what people think? Thing is Jim, you jumped all over my **** about this and it turns out that I may not have had anything to do with what Skip or KDR has in the hopper. Honestly, no one knows the truth about any of this except Skip and KDR.

matty

typical.

noone was sticking up for him. they were commenting on your abusive/negative nature. Just so happened that pg was the target.

and i think evryone smelled the rat too.

rx7joe

iTrader: (10)

jimlab

What's wrong Matty? Did you lose your sense of humor, or are you just worried about getting kicked in the nuts?

jimlab

Gee, could you make it believable too?

jimlab

This is the part of the story where the 10-year old says that his invisible friend did it...

turb0x2

iTrader: (71)

the bashing is getting old jim....you are well respected on this forum and i know you are a much more professional business man than to continue to argue back and forth...you have made your point..lets drop it seriously...i am not trying to come down on you personally i am just getting tired of EVERYONES flames whether right or wrong...

Montego

iTrader: (1)

Hey Steve,

Care to elaborate on your post from that thread.

Senseny

Personally, I think Steven should stop commenting on this, because his rep gets worse and worse by the moment. It was not some elaborate joke he made up--none of us buy that bag of ****. I think we can all tell exactly what happened with him and this product.
In the end, if you are a believer or non-believer in the product--contact Skip or KDR, because that is where the "device" is from. If the product is not worth your money (whatever the cost is or becomes), don't buy it. The market will eventually dictate costs.
Jason, I am not telling you how to run your business (I wouldn't appreciate someone telling me), but I will say that I wouldn't buy the product from you if I knew Steven was your supplier, I would if I knew you worked the details out with Skip. Once again, I am not telling you what to sell, just what I would do as a consumer.

Pg-Unlimited

Double Post

Pg-Unlimited

I think I just blew up the forum.... Another double post.

Pg-Unlimited

Not much to elaborate on, don't you think? All this "Device" has been is a roller coaster of misinformation that has been passed onto the same forum members for the past two years. I have heard everything from Ion-Sensing to Buttplugs coming from people who have no on hands experience. What I have not once seen is Skip or KDR post on this forum or any other to confirm or deny the "Anti-Detonation Device" even exists. Why, perhaps their product is still under wraps, perhaps the Buttplugs was a method to throw people off the track, or perhaps pg-unlimited was being used as a marketing ploy to throw a new twist on keeping people interested…..

Thanks,

Steven