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Originally posted by Broken09
You're gonna open up a big debate with that statement... Check out the single turbo forum there is a big thread in regards to which intercooler kit would you rather have. Different people have different opinions on which is better. Some people feel heat soak will be more prevelant with a V-mount, others feel the opposite.
You're gonna open up a big debate with that statement... Check out the single turbo forum there is a big thread in regards to which intercooler kit would you rather have. Different people have different opinions on which is better. Some people feel heat soak will be more prevelant with a V-mount, others feel the opposite.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
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Originally posted by PVerdieck
And some people get a front mount for looks, and aren't concerned with the potential blockage of air to the radiators.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
And some people get a front mount for looks, and aren't concerned with the potential blockage of air to the radiators.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
It will be at the next meeting.
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Originally posted by PVerdieck
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
Radiator "exhaust" doesn't flow into or onto a SMIC with a duct bringing in fresh air from the nose.
Now heat soak is a different issue entirely.
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Originally posted by PVerdieck
A vented hood is in the future, just because it is needed for any RX-7 to vent heat.
A vented hood is in the future, just because it is needed for any RX-7 to vent heat.
IMO we are going to have to set you up with an AST elimination becasue of the hose connection mods that we made.
Still tring to talk you into a set of rims as well. Think of the "bling bling" potential.
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Originally posted by rynberg
You most certainly do NOT need a vented hood for a v-mount IC to work efficiently, that is just ridiculous. A FMIC or SMIC doesn't need a vented hood, but a v-mount does? Common sense, people.
Nice pics, Pverdieck. Having recently installed the RE dual oil-coolers setup, I feel your pain.... Good luck and let us know how it performs.
You most certainly do NOT need a vented hood for a v-mount IC to work efficiently, that is just ridiculous. A FMIC or SMIC doesn't need a vented hood, but a v-mount does? Common sense, people.
Nice pics, Pverdieck. Having recently installed the RE dual oil-coolers setup, I feel your pain.... Good luck and let us know how it performs.
i really like your responses, its a nice combination of being helpful, frustration and sometimes sarcasm.
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Originally posted by PVerdieck
And some people get a front mount for looks, and aren't concerned with the potential blockage of air to the radiators.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
And some people get a front mount for looks, and aren't concerned with the potential blockage of air to the radiators.
I wanted the most air for everything, so I went V-mount, and opposed to a SMIC, I don't have radiator exhaust blowing on it.
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Originally posted by Broken09
I love my V-mount setup, but I'm going to try and rework the ducting a little bit.
I love my V-mount setup, but I'm going to try and rework the ducting a little bit.
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Originally posted by FormerPorscheGuy
I love you Philip, but I have to call you on this one.
Radiator "exhaust" doesn't flow into or onto a SMIC with a duct bringing in fresh air from the nose.
Now heat soak is a different issue entirely.
I love you Philip, but I have to call you on this one.
Radiator "exhaust" doesn't flow into or onto a SMIC with a duct bringing in fresh air from the nose.
Now heat soak is a different issue entirely.
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Originally posted by FormerPorscheGuy
You don't "need" a vented hood. They are nice but alot of cars do just fine without them.
IMO we are going to have to set you up with an AST elimination becasue of the hose connection mods that we made.
Still tring to talk you into a set of rims as well. Think of the "bling bling" potential.
You don't "need" a vented hood. They are nice but alot of cars do just fine without them.
IMO we are going to have to set you up with an AST elimination becasue of the hose connection mods that we made.
Still tring to talk you into a set of rims as well. Think of the "bling bling" potential.
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Originally posted by PVerdieck
Exhaust air is blowing onto the duct and parts of the SMIC. Maybe the proper term for the effect is heat soak, but I place part of the blame on the rad exhaust.
Exhaust air is blowing onto the duct and parts of the SMIC. Maybe the proper term for the effect is heat soak, but I place part of the blame on the rad exhaust.
Heat soak is the heat that rises and transfers through convection from the radiator "soaking" the intercooler and everything else in the engine bay.
Radiator "exhaust" air doesn't blow into the intercooler or the duct.
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Heat Soak, air rising from the radiator and heating different parts of the IC while the car is stationary. Both SMIC's and V-mounts will have this problem. Each will have a little variation on the other but in general the same effect. FMIC's will have very minimal issues with heat soak other than tubing etc. Radiator exhaust air blowing on the IC? Almost all SMIC's use fiberglass ducts, it doesn't conduct heat terribly well.
Intercoolers are not designed with stationary performance in mind, it's really odd to be worried about that unless you're a die-hard drag racer really worried about the first 300 feet.
Vented Hoods, the stock flow system is designed so that air exits the engine bay by flowing over the turbo's and exhaust as well as the spark plug side. This was "supposed to" provide cooling for the turbo's and engine in general. It doesn't seem to have worked too terribly well as the engine compartment stays far too hot. I can't say if there's a downside to not having that air flow around the turbos anymore but a vented hood sure seems to cool everything else off enough to make up for it and more. Will a V-mount work without a vented hood? Sure, just like an SMIC will. The only real difference is the angle the air exits at. With a V-mount it needs to make a more substantial turn to reach the exit point than a SMIC but the real difference to performance because of that is probably so small that it's not able to be measured. With a vented hood both SMIC's and VMIC's should have much improved performance in cooling, with the same immeasurable difference due to angle of air exit, but this time for the SMIC. FMIC's shouldn't see any significant improvement other than the overall system improvement of a cooler engine bay and associated parts from the heat release.
Hope that was neutral enough to not rub anyone the wrong way.
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Intercoolers are not designed with stationary performance in mind, it's really odd to be worried about that unless you're a die-hard drag racer really worried about the first 300 feet.
Vented Hoods, the stock flow system is designed so that air exits the engine bay by flowing over the turbo's and exhaust as well as the spark plug side. This was "supposed to" provide cooling for the turbo's and engine in general. It doesn't seem to have worked too terribly well as the engine compartment stays far too hot. I can't say if there's a downside to not having that air flow around the turbos anymore but a vented hood sure seems to cool everything else off enough to make up for it and more. Will a V-mount work without a vented hood? Sure, just like an SMIC will. The only real difference is the angle the air exits at. With a V-mount it needs to make a more substantial turn to reach the exit point than a SMIC but the real difference to performance because of that is probably so small that it's not able to be measured. With a vented hood both SMIC's and VMIC's should have much improved performance in cooling, with the same immeasurable difference due to angle of air exit, but this time for the SMIC. FMIC's shouldn't see any significant improvement other than the overall system improvement of a cooler engine bay and associated parts from the heat release.
Hope that was neutral enough to not rub anyone the wrong way.
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That wasn't an issue at all, the two don't interfere with each other. The issue is getting the damn undertray back on, since the radiator/fan combo is now lower (about 1 inch) than the undertray in stock configuration, and some of the CWR oil lines interfere with the undertray as well.
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Originally posted by Str8Down
I don't see why you would need the undertray anymore. It seems airflow would be better without it, since the air needs to escape out the bottom now.
I don't see why you would need the undertray anymore. It seems airflow would be better without it, since the air needs to escape out the bottom now.
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Originally posted by Str8Down
I don't see why you would need the undertray anymore. It seems airflow would be better without it, since the air needs to escape out the bottom now.
I don't see why you would need the undertray anymore. It seems airflow would be better without it, since the air needs to escape out the bottom now.
I have lost a bit of clearance, and have noted this on speed bumps I can't take as fast as I used to, and some lousy road patches/repairs.
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Originally posted by 1FooknTiteFD
How did you relocate the radiator without it interfereing witht he oil cooler thermostat? Could you take any pictures to show where everything is mounted and the clearance issues"? I had trouble putting in a FMIC before when relocating the radiator due to the oil cooler thermostat blocking the way. I just want to make sure it wouldn't be the case with a VMIC as well
How did you relocate the radiator without it interfereing witht he oil cooler thermostat? Could you take any pictures to show where everything is mounted and the clearance issues"? I had trouble putting in a FMIC before when relocating the radiator due to the oil cooler thermostat blocking the way. I just want to make sure it wouldn't be the case with a VMIC as well
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Originally posted by 1FooknTiteFD
How did you relocate the radiator without it interfereing witht he oil cooler thermostat? Could you take any pictures to show where everything is mounted and the clearance issues"? I had trouble putting in a FMIC before when relocating the radiator due to the oil cooler thermostat blocking the way. I just want to make sure it wouldn't be the case with a VMIC as well
How did you relocate the radiator without it interfereing witht he oil cooler thermostat? Could you take any pictures to show where everything is mounted and the clearance issues"? I had trouble putting in a FMIC before when relocating the radiator due to the oil cooler thermostat blocking the way. I just want to make sure it wouldn't be the case with a VMIC as well
Below the top pulley, you can see the 2 lines from the oil supply, and the return to the filter. Below the belt and the first rubber hose, you can see some of the thermostate (aluminum). Under the last of the next 3 lines you can see the IC support bar. Next down from that is the top of the radiator. It is above the IC bar, and the thermostat is below it.
Reverse angle picture.
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Originally posted by FormerPorscheGuy
See if you can use some aluminum heat tape for this. The stuff works great to seal ducts.
See if you can use some aluminum heat tape for this. The stuff works great to seal ducts.
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Originally posted by Broken09
You're gonna open up a big debate with that statement... Check out the single turbo forum there is a big thread in regards to which intercooler kit would you rather have. Different people have different opinions on which is better. Some people feel heat soak will be more prevelant with a V-mount, others feel the opposite.
You're gonna open up a big debate with that statement... Check out the single turbo forum there is a big thread in regards to which intercooler kit would you rather have. Different people have different opinions on which is better. Some people feel heat soak will be more prevelant with a V-mount, others feel the opposite.
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Originally posted by RX7_21
hm...when it comes to that question about the soak heat, it don't really bothers me as i can change to a better performance radiator. All i'm worried is more towards the turbos especially the single line turbo as it gets more heat!
hm...when it comes to that question about the soak heat, it don't really bothers me as i can change to a better performance radiator. All i'm worried is more towards the turbos especially the single line turbo as it gets more heat!
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Originally posted by RX7_21
hm...when it comes to that question about the soak heat, it don't really bothers me as i can change to a better performance radiator. All i'm worried is more towards the turbos especially the single line turbo as it gets more heat!
hm...when it comes to that question about the soak heat, it don't really bothers me as i can change to a better performance radiator. All i'm worried is more towards the turbos especially the single line turbo as it gets more heat!
Anyway another thing I've thought about trying is coming up with a duct to place in between the radiator and IC. I'd place it parallel with the ground as a splitter to not only seperate some of the air coming in, but it may provide some heat shielding for when I'm not up to speed. I'll draw something up and cut it and then run some tests without it in and with it in to see if there would be any benefit to having something like that.
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...Anyway another thing I've thought about trying is coming up with a duct to place in between the radiator and IC. I'd place it parallel with the ground as a splitter to not only seperate some of the air coming in, but it may provide some heat shielding for when I'm not up to speed. I'll draw something up and cut it and then run some tests without it in and with it in to see if there would be any benefit to having something like that.
...Anyway another thing I've thought about trying is coming up with a duct to place in between the radiator and IC. I'd place it parallel with the ground as a splitter to not only seperate some of the air coming in, but it may provide some heat shielding for when I'm not up to speed. I'll draw something up and cut it and then run some tests without it in and with it in to see if there would be any benefit to having something like that.