I'm arguing with a friend at the moment, he thinks that a 3rd gen will beat a camaro SS/Z28 stock vs stock. Is this true? He also thinks 3rd gens run very low close to flat 13sec 1/4 time. I thought on a good day you could run a 13.5...help me out guys, thanks

 

On a good day with a badass driver an FD could run a 13.5, an SS can run a 13.3 with an average driver though. However it should beat a Z28 stock.

Moving to 3rd Gen section...

 

Iam the friend he is arguing with and I never said a flat 13 stock. Also I'am strictly talking about the Z-28. What I'am saying is that the 3rd gen R2 is not slower than a z28. I have never losed to a stock z28 when I was stock. This being said, to me specs only say what the car's potential is not what the driver that just bought a 2001 z28 can do. I'am biast in no way toward the camaros and would like to know this also.
Whats faster in stock form a Z28 or a 3rd gen R2?

Help me out hehe thanks!

 

3rd gen rx7 hit 0-60 in 4.9
I would like to see a stock camaro do that anyday.

 

4.9 with a very, very good driver, mid to high 5's with a regular driver, and plus this is about the 1/4 times not 0-60.

 

You shouldn't compare cars by hoiw fast their 0-60 times are because the results can be quite different when you get to the 1/4mi mark.

 

I love my FD, but if we are talking straight line acceleration an LS1 equipped Z28 will take it every time given equal drivers. Now on the freeway it may be different, but those LS1's are beasts off the line.. tons of torque.

Matt
93 SSM

 

A LS1 SS/WS6 is rated at a best of 13.5 stock as it is up to the driver to who wins. Sure some have done better. A LT1 should be no problem at all to take and I think the LT1 Z was a 14.1.

 

well they upped the HP for some later model SS's...so watch out for those... my buddy has a 98 SS...but he's got everything short of cams ...his car is damn scary..especially with 315's out back

stock vs stock...they are so close it would up to the driver...maybe a slight edge going to a newer SS....

 

Are you sure about the 14.1 time? There isn't a big difference between the SS and Z28, especially an 8 seconds quartermile difference, they both have the same engines except the SS has a Ram-air hood. My mothers 2002 SS ran a 13.3 and i was driving it, i don't think a z28 is THAT much worse.

 

He is referring to the LT1 motor, which was used in the earlier Z28's with the newer body style. I apologize in advance because I am not up to snuff on exactly which years the changes were made, but around '96? the Z28 LT1 motor was replaced with the LS1 motor. The LS1 makes more power and breathes better than the LT1, and the difference is very significant in terms of power, and results in a much lower 1/4mile ET. You are right though, there is little difference between a Z28 and SS of the same year in recent models.

Matt
93 SSM

 

stock vs. stock...all depends on the driver. if equal drivers, Camaro will win by a hair.
mildly modded vs. mildly modded....RX-7 will win
heavily modded vs. heavily moded...Camaro will win.

you see more 10 second Camaros running around on the streets than FDs.

i think it was in a "Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords" test on the Bullit Mustang, where they tested the compatition, a new SS. i believe they get that thing to run a 12.82, BONE STOCK....and that was in a Ford magazine. and they claimed the track/weather conditions were far from perfect.

you draw your own conclusions, but F-Bodies were made to do one thing and to to it well....to go in a straight line! that was not Mazda's intention with the FD, although decent straight line performance was a little side effect.

 

JoeD, i'm not trying to say the camaro is better than any Rx-7, i was just wondering which was quicker in the quarter, and your exactly right the Rx-7 was not built to go fast on a straight line, even though that wasn't mazda's intention its still a very decent preformer at the drag strip, its a sports car not a drag car But thanks for everyone's thoughts on Rx-7 vs slowmaro

 

i dont know where guys get off saying the camaros are only straight line but somehow they manage to do 89g.. i think the rx7 does 90g.. so also the 93-97 lt1 z28/ss run from 13.6-14.1 and the ls1 98+ run 13.2-13.4. 93-95 rx7 are supposed to run 13.6 stock but ive never seen it done, also u can pick up a 95 z28 for about 8000 and you can pick up a 95rx7 for about 17000, and then theres reliablity of the rotary engine dont get me wrong i love rx7s but for the price the z28 is a good car.8000 z28 +9000 mods=10 sec car or a stock 95 rx7

 

i was just saying 0-60 in 4.9 because thats what my rx brochure says from the factory, and still i don't see any thing like that for a camaro. Becides all that I like to think that my 83 cu beat there 350 cu it always puts a smile on my face.

 

how many Gs a car pulls on a skidpad has very little to do with the hanling characteristics and feel of the car. i have driven a TA WS6 before and the thing felt like a boat. it could pull 2Gs for all i care, the car is not considered a "good" handling car compared to any other sporty car out today. words can not really describe how F-Bodies handle. you gotta drive one to see how bad they are, IMO.

BTW, FDs pull upwards of .99 G on the skidpad. and thats on tires how wide??

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...also u can pick up a 95 z28 for about 8000 and you can pick up a 95rx7 for about 17000

is that a good thing?? that right there tells you about the resale value.

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...and then theres reliablity of the rotary engine...

lol...no comment.

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dont get me wrong i love rx7s but for the price the z28 is a good car.8000 z28 +9000 mods=10 sec car or a stock 95 rx7

hmm...lets see. 10 (or 9, or 8, or any) second Camaro, or stock FD.

ill take a stock FD.

 

I here you Joe, I agree with all

 

more like .98 to .99g for the RX-7 from the magazines but thats just a measure of grip. The solid axle is what really kills the handling along with the poor transient behavior of those heavy F-bodies. The difference is literally night and day for those who have driven both.

 

A new Celica GTS pulls .84g,
a 1998+ LS1 SS pulls .85g,
a 1993 R1 pulls .98 ; plus that was 6 years before the SS

 

All i know...ive beaten SS, 3 to be exact. I cant beat a damn WS6 though. What up with that?

 

1/4 are important times and all and they both pretty evenly matched cars. But there is no camero that will even come close to a Fd in a auto X race.

 

they are both the same exact car. just the TA is a little more gaudy/tacky looking.

 

I get nervous around the SS and WS6 as they are very fast cars stock. You get a serious enthusiast and you can have an easy 11 second F-body. Stock vs. stock even a Z28 (LS1) would pull a stock FD. Very few FDs have seen low 13s where most LS1 cars live stock. I pull hard on them but I still get nervous around thoses beasts - gotta love the exhaust note on them. I'll give the LS1 straight line power hands down - handling A stock FD would slice and dice any Camaro - an FD is a go-kart, a LS1 is a yacht. The only cars that can compare to the FD in handling is a Supra and Z06.

 

I won't bother quoting anyone in particular because everyone's basically got the right idea. LS1 f-bodies are ridiculously fast in a straight line. Don't let GM's 305 hp rating fool you. It's not uncommon for LS1 owners to have their bone stock cars dynoed with 320+ rear wheel hp. Given a 15-20% driveline loss, you're looking at nearly 400 hp out of the box. And I'm not talking only about SS models but all LS1s. The SS does make a bit more power due to it's different exhaust though. As far as 1/4 mile times, Road & Track, Motor Trend, Car & driver, etc really don't drive these cars to their potential. With a good driver who isn't afraid to drive it like he hates the car, sub-13 second passes are very possible. My friend ran a 12.95 @ 111mph in his '98 Z28 the last time he was at the track, and his car is bone stock too. I have riden in that car a few times when he drove it like that. the power is downright brutal - tons of torque and a sound that'll give you nightmares for days.

As for handling, I agree that the RX7 will run circles around an F-body any day. Near perfect weight distribution, and a good 600-700 lbs lighter too, it was practically made to do just that. F-bodies have far from optimal weight and weight distribution. That solid live rear axle is great for launching at the strip but it's horrible for cornering on uneven pavement. It's massive weight also has too much inertia for the car to feel nimble.

 

I believe that the question in the beggining was basically which car was better in the stock form at the dragstrip in the 1/4 mile. Now I can't speak for everyone with a Camaro but I myself have a stock 2000 Z28 M6. I am not the greatest driver and my track experience in extremely limited. But I have managed a 13.59 and that is on pretty shotty tires that needed to be replaced before I was probably even going to the track. I also hadn't removed anything and had kept it just the way I drive it on the street. Now I know there have got to be alot of better drivers out there who could drop my car to a low 13 time pretty easily. One Car and Driver magazine my friend had also got a time of 12.8? for the 2001 Camaro SS and the Mustang Cobra. I have also seen and read about on forums of some poeple that are good drivers obtaining 12.8/9 times in 2000 or newer Z28's. Now I would't say that for a stock Z28 that is by any means the norm...but it has happened enough to make me beleive if I become a more skilled driver I can do the same in my car while it is still stock aswell. For some people who wern't sure before the LT1 engine was used in Camaro's from 1993-1997. Then in 1998-2002 the Z28's and SS's had the LS1 V-8 which is much better. In 2001 the V-8 Camaro's received an LS6 Intake manifold from the Z06 for an extra 5HP and 5TQ (figures the year after I buy mine they do this). But anyways I seriously doubt that with the same skilled driver in both cars, and assuming no one makes any mistakes that the FD would ever win stock. There is no point in debating moded cars because any moded car is possible of beating the other and without the same skilled drivers in both cars that are stock there are too many other variables to even decide who would win.