354HP @11 psi with Dyno sheet
#102
Ryan, I know that it is possible to hit those numbers with the mods that you have do because i hit 338hp and 287TQ 2 weeks ago . And my numbers are corrected and we ran twice to be sure and made 3 more HP the second run . Nice numbers Ryan
#104
Yeah, but according to your sig you made those numbers at 15PSI. He's claiming to have made more power than you at 10-11PSI.
After seeing the vid it's hard not to believe, however I don't believe it was done on stock twins unless there was another power adder. Whether it be N2O, H2O, Propane, Freon, Plutonium or whatever, something was injected into the engine or into/onto the IC.
After seeing the vid it's hard not to believe, however I don't believe it was done on stock twins unless there was another power adder. Whether it be N2O, H2O, Propane, Freon, Plutonium or whatever, something was injected into the engine or into/onto the IC.
Last edited by jr; 08-16-02 at 03:31 PM.
#106
Originally posted by dizastical
JR, sorry i forgot the part about him only running 11PSI .Now i understand what all the commotion is about !
JR, sorry i forgot the part about him only running 11PSI .Now i understand what all the commotion is about !
Yes it's a big commotion b/c Rikki is not honest as to how he got the power. Confession here: in my younger days, I used to occassionaly drag race (yeah on the street) and one way of surprising (yeah, sort of like cheating) the other guy is to run a quarter tank of nitromethane (available at any hobby shop) in the bike. My ZX6 would waste the crap out of a ZX7 on a street drag.
You see, Rikki, in his naive lap dog way wants people to think that it's Petah's tuning and porting that will get you 350 h.p. on pump gas, which is how every one tune [ b/c who gives a rat's *** how your car run on CAM2 116 octane gas unless you drag race every weekend]. This way, he believes that he will single handedly bring back the business for PFS.
But Rikki's misleading post is sort of like Petah's argument that Gordon didn't consult the dictionary as to the meaning of "Exchange" b/c Gordon believed it to be a rebuilt of his motor.
Everyone here initially understood this to be on pump gas. But we're too stupid by not reading b/w the lines.
So Rikki, you've lost even more credibility by pulling this kind of stuff. And to think that he even provided video and all other ***** to back up his claim.
#108
Originally posted by TYSON
10.1 @138 mph is great, but I've seen an RX-7 that does this EXACT quarter mile with 505 hp at the wheels not 620. That 505 hp car had nearly flat torque from 4500 RPM to 7500 RPM. This is more what I want
10.1 @138 mph is great, but I've seen an RX-7 that does this EXACT quarter mile with 505 hp at the wheels not 620. That 505 hp car had nearly flat torque from 4500 RPM to 7500 RPM. This is more what I want
I would probably believe Rikki if he stated these facts when he posted this.
A.) Temp. of the "dyno cell"..
B.) Race Gas or Pump Gas..(which now we know I guess)
C.) Told us from the start what the secret ingrediant was.
He basically gave us a post with a dyno graph just saying he was at PF's tuning and got these numbers. If you're posting a number that people are going to be skeptical of then give them as much info as possible from the start. Unless you have something to hide..
Even with race gas I don't know if I'd believe that to explain it all as he said 349rwhp was on pump gas. At 11 psi..
Sorry but he didn't show numbers for 15 psi(Or did he say he didn't tune it) and that seems fishy as he's obviously wanting to brag about high RWHP numbers and prove that PFS can produce the highest numbers. so why not dyno it at 15 psi? It's bound to increase the HP, even just a little.
So why not tune at 15 psi? I've never seen a non-seq/ported motor dyno graph that didn't show higher hp at 15 psi than at 10 - 11 psi..
And again he gave us no idea about the numbers at 18 psi, nor explained why his horsepower didn't change at 18 psi(or even 15-16). And in one post he said they didn't tune for higher than 13 psi and in another he said he dynoed it at 18 psi with no change in HP but with a increase only in Torque. That conflicts. Two different storys in the same thread with no explaination as of yet. Spoautos even asked him this question again and no explaination.
He is PF's and Rays "right hand man" so when that happened I'm sure he asked questions and someone had an explaination of why the HP numbers don't go up. Tyson, I know your theory on the HP numbers not going up but I'm still not buying it.. I want to hear Rikki/PFS's theory on this..
I typed that long *** post and not one questioned answered. Again fishy..
I wanted to know what kind of dyno(Dynojet or other) you used but you couldn't or wouldn't tell us. To be honest the graph looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint.
Either the dyno is not accurate, Rikki's hiding something beside race gas or his boost gauge has a kink in the line to the manifold. Something..
If PFS can tune a car to do that then all is fine, I got rid of my rx7 anyways so it makes not a difference in the world to me.
Ryan all very fishy to me and until you dyno this thing at KDR(or somewhere else reputable) or at least answer the questions asked, then I won't believe a word of it.
Last edited by black99; 08-16-02 at 04:02 PM.
#110
Originally posted by the_glass_man
The purple motor eater???
The purple motor eater???
#112
Originally posted by TYSON
Your torque VS horsepower complaint is based on having that extra torque at the horsepower peak. There is no reason not to believe the extra torque was present at the torque peak and fell off at the horsepower peak. This is why, in reality, peak horsepower is not so useful. It only happens at one point on your graph. You can't stay at that RPM forever. Average torque throughout the rev range is what gets you down the track faster. Look up a few posts. 10.1 @138 mph is great, but I've seen an RX-7 that does this EXACT quarter mile with 505 hp at the wheels not 620. That 505 hp car had nearly flat torque from 4500 RPM to 7500 RPM. This is more what I want
Your torque VS horsepower complaint is based on having that extra torque at the horsepower peak. There is no reason not to believe the extra torque was present at the torque peak and fell off at the horsepower peak. This is why, in reality, peak horsepower is not so useful. It only happens at one point on your graph. You can't stay at that RPM forever. Average torque throughout the rev range is what gets you down the track faster. Look up a few posts. 10.1 @138 mph is great, but I've seen an RX-7 that does this EXACT quarter mile with 505 hp at the wheels not 620. That 505 hp car had nearly flat torque from 4500 RPM to 7500 RPM. This is more what I want
No, I wasnt refering to peak tq/power. Peak is worthless, curve is what your after. Lets say he turns up the boost and his tq raised at 3000-4000 or from 4500-5500 or from 6000-7000 it doesnt matter where it raised at, the hp would also raise in that range of rpms as well.
He said the torque raised and the hp remained the same......the hp would have raised everywhere that the tq raised.
Thats what I'm saying.
Am i saying this in a way thats hard to understand or something?
A excellent tuner such as Peter should be able to spot the difference in curve and not just focus on peak.
STEPHEN
#113
Originally posted by black99
I wanted to know what kind of dyno(Dynojet or other) you used but you couldn't or wouldn't tell us. To be honest the graph looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint.
I wanted to know what kind of dyno(Dynojet or other) you used but you couldn't or wouldn't tell us. To be honest the graph looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint.
The dyno program was running, then a screenshot was taken by pressing "Print Screen" and then MSPaint was opened up and the file was saved using that into a *.bmp file. After that, the image was put on a floppy and taken to another computer in the office where a more advanced program was used to re-save it as a *.gif and make it smaller so that it could be emailed and uploaded on the forum or whatever.
Brian
#117
WTF is so hard to believe about all this. It's not
Peter Farrell Medocre Cars....
They are good tunners so get over it all you haters. Ryan you woudn't get harrassed so much if you didn't try to act all secretive about your car. It's not like your a pro racer or something. Just list all the specifics and stop causing all this drama that you seem to love so much.
Congrats though on the good #'s
Peter Farrell Medocre Cars....
They are good tunners so get over it all you haters. Ryan you woudn't get harrassed so much if you didn't try to act all secretive about your car. It's not like your a pro racer or something. Just list all the specifics and stop causing all this drama that you seem to love so much.
Congrats though on the good #'s
#119
You know, with Peter tuning over hundreds of cars over the last what 10 years, how come we've never seen anything like Rikki's numbers?
Are they using Windows XP in the electric purple kool-Aid box?
This is entertaining ... you can always count on Rikki at least...
Are they using Windows XP in the electric purple kool-Aid box?
This is entertaining ... you can always count on Rikki at least...
#120
Gorden pointed it out very clearly. There are only so many variables in tuning, and cars with similar mods all share a similar end result.....always. Unless of course there is something missing in the puzzle, maybe porting in this case. Some of you don't realize how this works, and think that everone is trying to flame Rikki out of jealousy, well no, his numbers don't add up according to his mods. And I, like Gorden want some damn answers. Tuning does play a major role in good hp numbers from the dyno, however "good tuning" doesn't perform horsepower miricles that no one else has ever achieved on the dyno with the same mods in the past 10 years.
#121
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This thread is beat. Good job Ryan.
We will be popping the top off the gold and blue can on Sunday.
Looking forward to seeing the car in action.
Now if you can just learn to drive well enough to handle that beast you'll be set. lol j/k
-Dave
We will be popping the top off the gold and blue can on Sunday.
Looking forward to seeing the car in action.
Now if you can just learn to drive well enough to handle that beast you'll be set. lol j/k
-Dave
#122
Originally posted by pomanferrari
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Are they using Windows XP in the electric purple kool-Aid box?
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Are they using Windows XP in the electric purple kool-Aid box?
#125
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Originally posted by black99
Come on, you know the Purple Motor Eater runs on Windows 3.1... (This was a joke Ryan, now give us some damn answers..)
Come on, you know the Purple Motor Eater runs on Windows 3.1... (This was a joke Ryan, now give us some damn answers..)
-Rikki