An LSx swapped NSX is not logical. There is absolute no reason to try to fit something like that in there, (if it could actually fit).

People put LSx engines in FD's because now, they made the swap easy to do. It fits right in there and does NOT disturb the weight distribution. Not to mention the FD stays light and now you have close to 400rwhp stock.

I never rode in an LSx FD so i cant comment but im sure its a hell of a ride. Although i would assume you get bored because now you cant tinker with the car anymore because its reliable lol.

Hence why most LSx FD's are for sale. I believe either the owner got bored and decided to move on or simply wasted their entire bank account to make the swap, then had to sell. Either way there are equal amount of LSx FD's as there is with rotary FD's.

I think there could be some folks that just wanted the rush of straight line power and after blowing a couple of 13b engines trying to make 450 rwhp they got frustrated, dropped in the LSX, had fun for 6 months and then quickly bored with the acceleration, needed more power and bought a Supra lol.

If you love driving (you automatically love this car) you don't care about power you care about corners and manipulating the car and the FD is a great car to drive and it doesn't need much power to have fun in because it's fairly light weight.

This is a car that was faster than most making 225 rwhp so when you up the power to just 300 rwhp it's a huge move in power that only cost about 5k (if done properly) and puts it close to most of todays cars making 400 plus fwhp. At that power level this car is as reliable as any other other sports car. But hey if the engine goes you buy a NEW one for 4600 and install it yourself in a couple of weekends. There aren't many cars that you can pick up the block by yourself etc... ;) This is a fun car to work on and when all the accessories are removed, pulling the engine isn't much harder than changing plugs on some of today's modern cars.

Getting your hands dirty and tinkering with it is just one more reason people like us will miss this car and want to own it again in 20 years. It's a really simple fun car, like a great model you relish taking it apart and putting it back together again and again. Not to mention how cool and unique all the parts are because it's a rotary.

Overall It's the best looking car I've ever seen. It's not crazy like the Enzo, tiring like the corvette, trying too hard like the NSX, different like all the lambos. It's just right, not too much of any one thing to make it tiring on the eyes or slowly fall out of touche with what's come before or after it.

It drives better than most any other car with the exception of 100k plus cars like the GT3.

It's unbelievably cheap to modify and have fun with.

ETC.........ETC...........

I was obviously kidding when I said the FD is the best car ever made but the more time I spend with it the more I appreciate all the time I've spent driving and fooling w/ this car because just saying it's special doesn't begin to do it justice.

After driving the GT3 which has to really be one of the top 10 cars it doesn't leave the FD wanting for a thing and that alone says a HELL OF LOT about this car.

Because of all these things and more THIS CAR WILL BE sought after by more than a few people that REALLY fell in love with it and didn't just have some little fling like climbing in bed with an NSX :D

NSX

400 whp Naturally Aspirated

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256,000 mile NSX

666 whp on Pump Gas @ 15 psi boost.

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Stock Transmission and Axles are strong. People are running bottom 10's, no problem.

I too can post dyno sheets from the internet.

Herblenny asked for Dyno sheets, I gave him Dyno Sheets. :scratch:

That's pretty impressive n/a - is the motor that choked off from the factory?

Not much room to work in there, though!

Indeed. Isn't overall chassis integrity/rigidity better in the GT3?

You ever get snap-oversteer in the NSX?

Its an infamous problem, that I think is over-hyped, in MR2's but Ive only experienced it with these 3 combined factors, my tires were bald as a cue-ball or down to its belts, I was accelerating, and it was either raining or the roads were wet. Ive snap over steered 3x but never damaged the car but can see how it could easily destroy a mid-engined.

Oh and decelerating or braking while taking a turn in a mid-engined might be able to cause it as well, Im pretty sure that at least causes under-steer.

Once I was driving down a snow packed road in a 303whp MR2 and was going sideways for about 4 seconds, I was still going forward but my front end was facing the side of the road. Came close to going in a ditch on that 4th one when it was the 3rd worst snowstorm in St. Louis History (Im thinking around February of '07) I let off the gas briefly and made a *great* recovery with a flick of the wrist. It took me 2 hours to do that 5-mile drive that day, and I saw several trucks in the ditch that day, but I made the drive in one of the crappiest snow-weather cars ever built that would only rival a street-bike in terms of how god awful it is in the snow. And I had summer-tires. My most memorable drive where driving skills came in handy.

The tub on the GT3 is amazing and it also has the full club sport bolt in cage which is the nicest bolt in I've ever seen so yep the chassis is a just a bit stiffer hehe. The stiff chassis along with many other things like incredible brakes, massive rear tires, longer wheel base, wider track etc.... make it an easier car to drive. At speed a well prepped FD is as quick as a lotus so it can bite you in a hurry.

No one has really mentioned the RX-8 (with its far superior chassis rigidity) - wondering how an RX-8 with a 20b and a cage would stack up

Yeah, I've lost interest in this thread now.

I think the RX8 has already proven that's it's a terrific car to drive (no experience there) and it's as fast as all the others in real world racing w/ a cage and a 20b so no need to bench race this one. Don't you watch the speed channel or follow racing :scratch:

Not that it's really worth mentioning but chassis rigidity doesn't mean a whole lot once you've put a cage or even a quality roll bar in a car.

It's been pointed out over and over again give some one a blank check and they'll make anything fast however IMO dollar for dollar no other manufacturer can get a car to handle better than Mazda.

Oh I know it does well in racing, would be fun to see one match up with a GT3 in an amateur class

Once all those grand am 8s are for sale I think you'll get your wish :icon_tup:

This.

The syntec and speedsource rx8 are SUPER competitive with those big v8 monsters. Its funny people don't know there's 20b's in there. I told my friend there's a rotary in there and he didn't want to believe me because they were holding up we'll and not blowing up. Lol

MR2 TUrbos handle very well and are relatively cheap. There braking is phenomenal, you can brake check an '06 zo6 vette in a stock 93 MR2 Turbo with pizza-cutter 15" rims. doesn't slalom or skidpad as good as a stock FD if your a magazine racer, but it gives really good bang for the buck in terms of performance in all categories.

I personally like all the japanese brands of cars, especially ones that come from the factory with a turbocharger.

I like MR2's because they are about the cheapest Japanese sports car that gives GT car performance, a 9 second MR2 can easily be had for under 20g's.

I had an RX-8 before with just a set of Tein coilovers and a set of Yokohamas AD08 in 245s on stock rims and everything else stock. I also had a 350z set up with coilovers, sway bars, w/AD08 275 all around on 19s TE-37 + a few motor upgrades and taller diff. The RX-8 held its ground pretty damn good. In the slow turns the RX-8 would keep up with the Z without a problem. My brother would be on my ass like stink on shit. On the straight the power advantage of the Z would obviously show itself but on the turn the weight difference on the 8 was obvious also with better braking and exit speed.

MR2 Turbo specs:
Brakes
Minimum stopping distances, ft:
From 60 mph ............................................. 138
From 80 mph ............................................. 241

2007 Z06 Specs:
Brakes
Minimm stopping distance,ft:
From 60 MPH.............................................. 111
From 80 MPH.............................................. 206

I know you probably didnt mean it literally.. but still ;) Z06 brakes are no joke. Wide rubber doesnt hurt either.

Honestly, i do believe most FD owners got the FD SOLEY because of the looks. And they wanted to keep the car unique by keeping the rotary til they had enough when the problems rolled in. Only true true rotary enthusiasts will keep the rotary no matter what. Even if you spend the same dollar amount making a rotary 400rwhp, or going LSx and probably having 550-600rwhp.

Yeah if the car was still sequential lol. My car is non seq so its basically the worst sports car to drive on the streets. If i shift normally, im being left in the dust. If i shift a bit higher in the rpm range just to accelerate normally like other cars, it will seem like im racing because my car is loud lol.

But i dont mind because its my weekend car and i love driving it. I love the attention and i love the way it feels. It honestly feels like a race car. And i have had several cars in the past. Theres a reason why i wont get rid of this one. I just love that tight go-kart feel.


Yes! Sometimes i watch videos online during the week and i get amped up doing little nik naks on my car on the weekend, since i only see my car on the weekend lol. Whether its as simple as doing a exterior detail or an oil change. I look foward to it, theres nothing like getting hands on, on your own personal machine.

It is a damn good looking car. Even if my car isnt in tip top shape, i have a paint chip in misc places and my driver fender is a bit f'ed but i get stares everywhere i go. People pacing me on the highway etc.

Those stats are for a 91-92 MR2 with dinky 14" rims, one of the main reasons it got piss poor handling and braking for its mid-engined lay-out

I specifically stated the 93+ MR2 Turbo

Body style: 2-door, 2-passenger
Drivetrain: Mid engine, rear drive
Curb weight, lb: 2888
Engine: 2.0-liter DOHC turbocharged I-4, 4 valves/cylinder
Horsepower, hp @ rpm, SAE net: 200 @ 6000
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm, SAE net: 200 @ 3200
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Acceleration, 0-60 mph, sec: 6.2
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph: 14.8/93.5
Braking, 60-0, feet: 107
Handling, lateral acceleration, g: 0.94
Slalom, 600-ft, mph: 69.2
Functional price: $30,475

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1JAKE1KKa

Whats impressive is the zo6 comes with what, stock 19's and some wideass tires, while the MR2 does it on some almost literally pizza-cutter 15's for tires, so there is still room for improvement.

Its lateral g's ties a Ferrari F40 which isn't bad for an almost 20 year old car that was originally $22k or so new.

I remember once I ricer flew by a local with a blue c6 zo6 in one of my MR2's and he said on the street racing forum that he wanted to brake check me, and I told him Id be just fine with that because my car I paid $2850 for on could brake check his $70k zo6 and his front end would be up my ass if I did, not to mention I had upgraded rims and tires over what it came with from the factory. But those days are over, I don't drive like a retard, kinda hard to in a stock '95 miata.

Wow. After seeing the engine bay of that NSX a LSx swap definitely isnt possible lol. Fiero's have more room in the engine bay lol. But yeah i got it. The FD is a great car. I've driven a couple of them before i ever considered buying one and they are great. I also took a ride in a LS1 powered FD while i was home and its still an amazing ride. I'm not a straight line guy, i love corners. I come from North Georgia beside the blueridge mountains and about an hour from deals gap. I was there every weekend in cars and on bikes. The LS1 powered FD was a blast through corners. Just that low end grunt coming out of a sharp corner was fantastic. No its not all about power, but even with the swapped FD i dont think it its something that you just get bored of.

The Blue Ridge is awesome....as long as you don't pay attention to the speed limit ;)

Actually LSX swaps has been done already.

This guy went a bit over board but it can be made easier than this.

http://www.ls7nsx.com/

Haha yeah. When i was in the reserves before switching to active duty, my drill unit was in Dahlonega. I outran a couple of cops to drill one morning about 5am coming across the mountains. Those Georgia State Patrol Chargers cant handle like a ws6 evidently. Didnt know the speed limit was 15mph though, i was running a solid 45 before they blue lighted me. Then it was about 60 lol.