Fritz Flynn

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YEP, which is why we just saw that BB R2 sell for 95k

I feel as though there are 3 tiers of buyers.
1) BALLERS, guys with big stacks that buy new GT3s, low mileage collector cars, collector watches, you name it. These guys are also responsible for new GT3s selling for 50 to 75k over MSRP, it doesn't matter to them because their portfolio, houses etc... are killing it. Likely not buying FDs yet lol.
2) Rich enough to play around with their money but not multi millionaires. Say a 60 year old who has some money to buy the car they always wanted but had other responsibilities taking up their time and money. BB r2 buyer.
3) Car nuts like us on this forum who just love sports cars but must remain practical because we aren't rich. I suspect the other CW was bought by one of us, we know these cars like the back of our hand and we appreciate quality mods.

The 50k mile CW doesn't really fit any of the above. Too many miles etc..... for even the retired type guy. They'd rather buy a lower mileage cleaner example while hoping for continued appreciation, go to car shows etc.... So basically as long as there are still nice low mileage examples they'll spend another 40k for one of those versus buying something not as nice. In 10 years maybe one of us is an old retired baller and we'll pay 250k for a nice example

Redbul

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Work hard to become a "1" before you end up being a "2" like me.

midnight mechanic

2F2F Craig Leiberman ----> "if we are going to have a tuner race car movie, we have to get an rx-7 FD in it"......but they bastardized the rx-7's sound in the movie.

FD's are priceless as a result.

And to think I bought my '83 rx-7 for $3600 , in 1990 because the los angeles bus line from the country jail was becoming too dangerous at 11:00 pm with all the jail birds. Choose the rx-7 because I liked where the oil filter was. Now I'm vicariously proud of Dom's rx-7's

boostin13b

That was my biggest gripe with that car in the movie, they didn't even use the rotary sound. I hate the wheels and graphics on the car as well but the sound was an immediate cringe.

Redbul

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Time for a remake!

midnight mechanic

Fast Eleven is in the works, and it is going to be the last. Also more car oriented and less high budget CGI nonsense.

I didn't like the splash graphics, and the bondo on the car body.. Especially the bondo styling

j9fd3s

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again!

Coldmonster

So as an fd owner it’s nice knowing that I got my car for 16 and it’s probably worth in the 30-35 range, hagerty had absolutely no problem insuring it at 30. But I feel it’s not worth that. I thought about selling it to help buy my house but I couldn’t do it because for $30,000 I would never buy one. Basically I love my rx7 but I would never buy one at the price they’re going for, am I the only person that feels this way?

Redbul

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Yes.

Fritz Flynn

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I'd keep the car and rent at this time especially in CA, home prices probably need to come down another 20 percent, meanwhile you can save $ while renting and enjoy continued appreciation of the FD.

If you just have to buy a house, then absolutely sell the FD

djseven

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You are not alone. I love FDs, I have a 23 year history with them and they are my favorite all time non supercar. With that said, I will always view them as a $15-25k car. Its hard to know all their shortcomings and see them differently. Will I pay more than that though? Yes. I am in a situation where my FDs are my lowest valued vehicles I own so the amount seems trivial whether its $15k or $45k. With that said, in my mind, it is hard to see myself ever paying $50/60/70K for one, but I am sure the time will come that I will do so gleefully.

provels

Well, everything belongs to someone else eventually. And you'll never go broke taking a profit. I've had mine since 2010 and closing in on my 72nd BD. That said, I've enjoyed owning and caring for it for 14 years already. Might be time to pass it on (before I do, LOL) and get a nice Miata drop-top with paddles. Hmm.

j9fd3s

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if you looked at the miata forum, you would see some familiar names

Coldmonster

I already bought my house and am already on my 4th commuter car in 4 years at my new career, which one was a nb1 Miata that I quite heavily modified. But basically what I’m saying is if I was given $35000 to buy a car it wouldn’t be an rx7. My Alfa does everything better than the rx7, except be an rx7, and do a burn out. The traction control kicks on if it even thinks you’re attempting to do something. When I got the car in April 2016 I was also looking at a Porsche, but the test drive didn’t excite me as much as the fd. Now if I was looking at spending 80-90,000. Id just get a Ferrari or lambo at that point. But I’m sure the people spending that money on a 30 year old car already have those.

TwinCharged RX7

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What kind of lambo are you getting with $90k? A broken gallardo?

Coldmonster

Lots of deals out there if you look. But yes mostly gallardos.

Redbul

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Seems, around here, guys who can't find an FD are settling for the new Supras.

boostin13b

Sad because Toyota sold out to BMW. I think I would rather get a new Twin Turbo Z since Nissan stayed true to their heritage for the most part. I have yet to drive one but they look and sound halfway decent

GtiKyle

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I wouldn't say that Toyota "sold out" to BMW. It was actually a collaboration to develop the Supra. Purists are certainly not super thrilled that the supra ended up half of a BMW, but there is no denying that it is a phenomenal car. There was a lot of turmoil in the beginning in the ownership circles, but now only the hardcore Toyota guys are still holding the grudge. It's a great car, and it's understandable why a lot of people are "settling" for a MKV when the dreams of an FD can't come home.

TwinCharged RX7

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The argument of it being a BMW is so dumb. This is what auto manufacturers have been doing for decades. At least the car exists vs the non existent next rx7.

boostin13b

No doubt it is a great performing car. Its just sad to see a company like Toyota who is more than capable of building quality performance engines and vehicles use a BMW platform and parts for their Flagship performance vehicle. It can definitely be argued that it is much more BMW than Toyota since it is essentially a Z4 with different styling since you are hard pressed to find many actual Toyota parts on the vehicle mechanically. I understand they had a hand in the R&D developing the chassis.......so why wouldn't they just do it on their own and use better, more reliable Toyota parts? IMO this was a slap in the face to the customer base that values the Toyota quality. Having worked on many thousands of cars over the past 20 years, I would not buy a new BMW unless I had that amount of money to just plain burn (they aren't known for their dependability in the least.) I wouldn't say I am a purist but I've never liked when manufactures rebrand iconic cars like this. This goes for the FR-S too. Why use a Subaru engine when they have plenty of great inline 4 cylinders they could have used? Even if they did use the same chassis, it is kind of selling out your own brand in my opinion. Can you imagine if Cheverolet would have teamed up with Nissan and put a GTR engine in their new mid engine "Corvette" or even stayed in the same country, put a Hellcat or Coyote engine? I feel like these are big fails from the higher ups in Toyota that are looking strictly at bottom lines and not brand protection and loyalty and respect. I may have had a new Supra in my garage if it were a Toyota, but strictly because it is a BMW I won't even consider it given my current financial state (yes I can afford to buy one with cash if I wanted to.)

Fritz Flynn

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"But basically what I’m saying is if I was given $35000 to buy a car it wouldn’t be an rx7."

Sell the FD and get a new miata

Fritz Flynn

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Going from a shark to a whale doesn't make sense to me.

boostin13b

I think the feelings about this may be somewhat age/generational based. I can say that most of the car enthusiasts (not all) I interact with locally (close to the same age group as me and older) feel pretty much the same way as I do about the situation which is potentially a lot of lost customers for the new Supra since those of us that grew up with the 90's Japanese twin turbo cars respect what went into them and the competition between the brands. Those of us like this would rather spend $100K on a 30 year old MKIV supra than $60K on a brand new BMW Z4 Supra. Younger generations that weren't around then may not have the same attachment or respect for what the manufactures used to be and stand for and totally fine with having a BMW/Toyota or may not even realize it. Like I mentioned above, the long term quality of BMW has been less than spectacular from my personal experience working on them for the past 20 years. From using cheap plastic parts that don't last long at all (including the impellers on the water pumps) throughout the entire cooling system, to some of the worst electrical boards and switches I've seen in a manufacture, it goes against Toyota's quality reputation. Calling a car a specific name doesn't really make it that car in my opinion either. The Mitsubishi Eclipse SUV thing does nothing for the car enthusiasts. Should we be celebrating that the Eclipse name still lives on even if its just some crossover SUV? I would rather not have a modern RX7 if it was going to be turned into an SUV or share another platform with a competing company. I wouldn't want to buy an RX7 that is really just a Subaru BRZ with a flat 4 in it just to have a modern RX7, I'll stick with my Dinosaur. Having worked on these cars for the past 20 years including specializing in MKIV Supras for a while, I think it was very poor choice to go this route by Toyota and now that the hype of re-releasing the Supra is over, their sales are showing how well it wasn't received as a whole. It is still a great performing sports car, there is just a large customer base that would have been added to the current customers had they kept it a Toyota. To each their own, it's just not for me.

TwinCharged RX7

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I too would much prefer an MK4 Supra. But at the end of the day, it’s cool the new one exists and it only exist because the two companies worked together to make it happen.

I don’t view it as an age issue other than nostalgia for those of us that remember the overbuilt nature of the 90s cars. Companies teaming up is not something new, it even happened to 90’s JDL cars. It’s funny you bring up the eclipse suv example below. The eclipse was also known as the eagle talon and Plymouth laser. The Mitsubishi GT3000 was also a dodge stealth. Countless other cars share parts. I once had a Cadillac that was an Opel in most parts of the world.

again, no issue with disliking the new Supra, but I don’t understand those that dislike it solely for being built on the BMW platform.

im getting way off course here but BMW quality is basically on par with others these days. And Toyota is not the reliability king it once was so hard to say BMw drags down the brand. I had a V10 M5 from 2008, electronics were crap, a new warning light came on every time I went to drive it, but man it was an awesome car. All new cars are loaded with electronics, and most of those electronics come from the same major suppliers at this point. I doubt Toyota pays their suppliers more for higher quality on their boards than bmw does.