View Poll Results: Would you buy an NA Style (No Vents) Carbon Fiber Hood for $400-$600?
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43
48.86%
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Would you buy a NA style (No vents) Carbon Fiber hood?
11-27-01 | 11:41 PM
#26
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Originally posted by Node
You know what you uptight ******, I meant we as in "The FC community" theyre plentiful, It's not hard to get them, and theyre light. Except for you rice who wants a plain jane CF hood so you can just leave it nude and act like you have a rotary honda. You know what you ******, get the **** off my case. You know plenty of people agree with me on the cowl hood idea.
BM
Schwinn "RarestRX is a piece of ****"
You know what you uptight ******, I meant we as in "The FC community" theyre plentiful, It's not hard to get them, and theyre light. Except for you rice who wants a plain jane CF hood so you can just leave it nude and act like you have a rotary honda. You know what you ******, get the **** off my case. You know plenty of people agree with me on the cowl hood idea.
BM
Schwinn "RarestRX is a piece of ****"
Brad
11-27-01 | 11:43 PM
#27
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Originally posted by cymfc3s
2nd gen aluminum hoods are not exactly plentiful you idiot. Paul Ko's (K2RD) ITS race car has a flat carbon fiber hood on it. It looks badass. And his car is NOT rice. Wise up pal.
2nd gen aluminum hoods are not exactly plentiful you idiot. Paul Ko's (K2RD) ITS race car has a flat carbon fiber hood on it. It looks badass. And his car is NOT rice. Wise up pal.
Brad
11-27-01 | 11:44 PM
#28
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Originally posted by RarestRX
Yo,
Goodness gracious, looks like I hit a nerve with Node. I'll let his juvenile homophobic spewings speak for him, instead of verbally napalming him back. It'd be far too easy and I honestly don't think he would "get" most of my verbal ripostes. Oh well.
To anyone who thinks I am flaming or "shooting down fellow forum members", I'm not. If I were, then /I'd/ be the one that would crack 3000 posts. *wink*
I asked a genuine question to gauge the immediate demand for a NA style carbon fiber hood so we (The REAL we, the "FC Community") could finally get a carbon fiber hood made professionally. And I get this disingenuous reply from a self-styled FC expert:
from my point of view, we already have aluminum ones stock (well some), and the only reason for a carbon would to be to have it Nude. I'd say go vented, I like cowl hoods personally
Why is it disingenuous? The "expert" doesn't even OWN an FC, nor is in the market for an CF hood any time soon. So why did he reply? Why is he offering up his point of view? When someone figures that out, let me know. I'm still puzzled.
KS
1989 GTUs "Member of the FC Community since 1998."
Yo,
Goodness gracious, looks like I hit a nerve with Node. I'll let his juvenile homophobic spewings speak for him, instead of verbally napalming him back. It'd be far too easy and I honestly don't think he would "get" most of my verbal ripostes. Oh well.
To anyone who thinks I am flaming or "shooting down fellow forum members", I'm not. If I were, then /I'd/ be the one that would crack 3000 posts. *wink*
I asked a genuine question to gauge the immediate demand for a NA style carbon fiber hood so we (The REAL we, the "FC Community") could finally get a carbon fiber hood made professionally. And I get this disingenuous reply from a self-styled FC expert:
from my point of view, we already have aluminum ones stock (well some), and the only reason for a carbon would to be to have it Nude. I'd say go vented, I like cowl hoods personally
Why is it disingenuous? The "expert" doesn't even OWN an FC, nor is in the market for an CF hood any time soon. So why did he reply? Why is he offering up his point of view? When someone figures that out, let me know. I'm still puzzled.
KS
1989 GTUs "Member of the FC Community since 1998."
Brad
11-27-01 | 11:46 PM
#29
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Originally posted by RarestRX
Yo,
Yeah Node, we can shake. It's just...that time of the month for me. *snicker* Sorry I took it out on ya. Now go out and get an FC dammit!! *grin*
Peace,
KS
1989 GTUs "So who's got a Border/Panspeed hood we can drop off?!"
Yo,
Yeah Node, we can shake. It's just...that time of the month for me. *snicker* Sorry I took it out on ya. Now go out and get an FC dammit!! *grin*
Peace,
KS
1989 GTUs "So who's got a Border/Panspeed hood we can drop off?!"
finally we brought this mess to peace. But yeah I'm trying to get an FC as soon as I can, saw a few nice N/As for sale around meBut I have never seen a site that sells Pan-Speed yet
11-27-01 | 11:47 PM
#30
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Originally posted by rx7_ragtop
Ok, this is pretty borderline... but to be fair... you both need to stop NOW.
Brad
Ok, this is pretty borderline... but to be fair... you both need to stop NOW.
Brad
we can take care of things by ourselves most times
11-28-01 | 12:18 AM
#31
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Weight is a non-issue with carbon fiber hoods. They are only 10-15% lighter than an identical aluminum hood. Other than that, that look cool( I still dont like seeing them not painted, but thats just me), and are dent-proof. If someone hits it hard enough, it will break, but it doesnt dent.
Any halfway decent carbon fiber shop wouldbe able to do create a custom hood with vents/scoops, etc without having that exact design physically made and in their possession. You will pay extra for their work, but they do not need a real Border hood to make one that looks the same. They can take a mold of a n/a hood and modify the mold. I know this because I work with carbon fiber myself, and I CAN do this. I have not due to funds and free time, but I am able to do it.
This shouldnt be an issue, especially if the shop is very reputable, but all epoxy resins soften as they heat up. The hoods on rotaries get a good bit hotter than piston cars, especially if no heat shield is present, and it gets hot enough to soften some resins to the point of distortion. Granted it may take months for it to be measurable or noticable, but it can still happen. I would recommend inquiring about the resin used and its physical properties.
Any halfway decent carbon fiber shop wouldbe able to do create a custom hood with vents/scoops, etc without having that exact design physically made and in their possession. You will pay extra for their work, but they do not need a real Border hood to make one that looks the same. They can take a mold of a n/a hood and modify the mold. I know this because I work with carbon fiber myself, and I CAN do this. I have not due to funds and free time, but I am able to do it.
This shouldnt be an issue, especially if the shop is very reputable, but all epoxy resins soften as they heat up. The hoods on rotaries get a good bit hotter than piston cars, especially if no heat shield is present, and it gets hot enough to soften some resins to the point of distortion. Granted it may take months for it to be measurable or noticable, but it can still happen. I would recommend inquiring about the resin used and its physical properties.
11-28-01 | 12:44 AM
#32
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Originally posted by ForsakenRX7
I dont see how putting a turbo II hood on my N/A is "Ricey". Is it ricey to want to cool the air under my hood for better intake and combustability? I personally dont think so. And if I wanna make my hood look more aggressive than the flat piece of **** thats on there, then thats my own deal. Everyone has their own definition of rice I guess.
I dont see how putting a turbo II hood on my N/A is "Ricey". Is it ricey to want to cool the air under my hood for better intake and combustability? I personally dont think so. And if I wanna make my hood look more aggressive than the flat piece of **** thats on there, then thats my own deal. Everyone has their own definition of rice I guess.
Last edited by Felix Wankel; 11-28-01 at 12:47 AM.
11-28-01 | 01:00 AM
#34
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Originally posted by mazdaspeed7
Weight is a non-issue with carbon fiber hoods. They are only 10-15% lighter than an identical aluminum hood. Other than that, that look cool( I still dont like seeing them not painted, but thats just me), and are dent-proof. If someone hits it hard enough, it will break, but it doesnt dent.
Weight is a non-issue with carbon fiber hoods. They are only 10-15% lighter than an identical aluminum hood. Other than that, that look cool( I still dont like seeing them not painted, but thats just me), and are dent-proof. If someone hits it hard enough, it will break, but it doesnt dent.
Actually someone already posted that the AL TII hoods weigh about 21lbs. The CF hoods in TII form will weight between 6-8lbs. That's a bit over 10-15% savings. On my track car, that is worth it to me. On the paint issue, I see o reason to add weight to a hood that is meant to be lighter, but again that is on a track driven FC. Just my .02
11-28-01 | 01:28 AM
#35
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From: Eats Wetsnatchee, WA
Actually, on my TII, I'm debating whether i should get an N/A aluminum or CF hood for an even more sleeper look. I'm keeping the stock wheels and body. The more boring the car looks, the better But I'm going with a full TO4E/ partial bridge/ haltech and a big front mount. I'd be interested.
steve
But I'm going with a full TO4E/ partial bridge/ haltech and a big front mount. I'd be interested.steve
11-28-01 | 02:13 AM
#36
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Wow, I'm one of only two people to have voted yes on the CF hood idea.
I'll give you my reasoning behind it. Where I live, RX-7s are not, in any way shape or form, a common car. There aren't ANY in the scrap yards around here. I have a crappy steel hood. It weighs like 4,000 pounds. In order for me to get a lighter hood, I would have to
A) Order an aluminum TII hood or N/A hood
--or--
B) Order a CF hood, and save a little bit more weight.
I personally would rather have the CF hood. If I don't like the way it looks with the darker color, I will just have it painted. But I think that with some black opel or gunmetal colored wheels, the black CF hood would set off the rest of the car quite well.
If you can get a mold for one, would the company that is doing it be willing to sell them via mail order??
I'll give you my reasoning behind it. Where I live, RX-7s are not, in any way shape or form, a common car. There aren't ANY in the scrap yards around here. I have a crappy steel hood. It weighs like 4,000 pounds. In order for me to get a lighter hood, I would have to
A) Order an aluminum TII hood or N/A hood
--or--
B) Order a CF hood, and save a little bit more weight.
I personally would rather have the CF hood. If I don't like the way it looks with the darker color, I will just have it painted. But I think that with some black opel or gunmetal colored wheels, the black CF hood would set off the rest of the car quite well.
If you can get a mold for one, would the company that is doing it be willing to sell them via mail order??
11-28-01 | 11:35 AM
#38
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Originally posted by fc3s.org
Actually someone already posted that the AL TII hoods weigh about 21lbs. The CF hoods in TII form will weight between 6-8lbs. That's a bit over 10-15% savings. On my track car, that is worth it to me. On the paint issue, I see o reason to add weight to a hood that is meant to be lighter, but again that is on a track driven FC. Just my .02
Actually someone already posted that the AL TII hoods weigh about 21lbs. The CF hoods in TII form will weight between 6-8lbs. That's a bit over 10-15% savings. On my track car, that is worth it to me. On the paint issue, I see o reason to add weight to a hood that is meant to be lighter, but again that is on a track driven FC. Just my .02
There is no way a 6lb CF hood will survive street use, even with hood pins. The RX7 hood is too big and too flat, and therefore needs to be strong. The hood also has to be strong enough to handle high speeds. Have you ever heard of cheaply made cf hoods breaking the latch or breaking through the hod pins at high speeds? It happens, usually from the hood being too thin at a high-stress point.
I CF hood for an RX7 on the street would have to be about 15 lbs to be strong enough to take the abuse of the real world.
11-28-01 | 12:32 PM
#39
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Yo,
I emailed Fiber Images and gave them links to this thread, and the other CF hood thread. Hopefully they'll reply and see if they can make a vented/reverse cowl hood, or an NA hood. Keep your fingers crossed!
KS
1989 GTUs "NA Powah!"
I emailed Fiber Images and gave them links to this thread, and the other CF hood thread. Hopefully they'll reply and see if they can make a vented/reverse cowl hood, or an NA hood. Keep your fingers crossed!
KS
1989 GTUs "NA Powah!"
11-28-01 | 01:33 PM
#41
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Can't we all get along
I would prefer a carbon fiber with cowl induction instead, It would please both the N/A owners and T2 crowd. But hey whatever floats your boat. If there is a market for it someone will buy it.
I would prefer a carbon fiber with cowl induction instead, It would please both the N/A owners and T2 crowd. But hey whatever floats your boat. If there is a market for it someone will buy it.
11-28-01 | 02:24 PM
#42
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Originally posted by Node
I've heard that before, too bad
I've heard that before, too bad
Originally posted by Samps
according to that aerodynamic flow chart, a headlight air scoop would be just about pointless and may even steal air from the filter.
according to that aerodynamic flow chart, a headlight air scoop would be just about pointless and may even steal air from the filter.
Originally posted by mazdaspeed7
There is no way a 6lb CF hood will survive street use, even with hood pins. The RX7 hood is too big and too flat, and therefore needs to be strong. The hood also has to be strong enough to handle high speeds. Have you ever heard of cheaply made cf hoods breaking the latch or breaking through the hod pins at high speeds? It happens, usually from the hood being too thin at a high-stress point.
I CF hood for an RX7 on the street would have to be about 15 lbs to be strong enough to take the abuse of the real world.
There is no way a 6lb CF hood will survive street use, even with hood pins. The RX7 hood is too big and too flat, and therefore needs to be strong. The hood also has to be strong enough to handle high speeds. Have you ever heard of cheaply made cf hoods breaking the latch or breaking through the hod pins at high speeds? It happens, usually from the hood being too thin at a high-stress point.
I CF hood for an RX7 on the street would have to be about 15 lbs to be strong enough to take the abuse of the real world.
12-04-01 | 02:34 PM
#43
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This may have been said but I don't feel like reading all 3 pages...I'm bored, but not THAT bored
I voted no for one reason only. I HAVE a N/A hood. Now if it has vents on them I'd be all over it. I am actually actively looking for a new hood for my FC. I am looking for a TII hood. However, a carbon fiber N/A with vents would probably win me over.
The type of vents I'm talking about are the kind that are in this pic. Look at the hood on this Probe GT. I think that would look awsome on a RX-7.
I voted no for one reason only. I HAVE a N/A hood. Now if it has vents on them I'd be all over it. I am actually actively looking for a new hood for my FC. I am looking for a TII hood. However, a carbon fiber N/A with vents would probably win me over.
The type of vents I'm talking about are the kind that are in this pic. Look at the hood on this Probe GT. I think that would look awsome on a RX-7.
Last edited by supergoat; 12-04-01 at 02:50 PM.
02-21-02 | 07:31 PM
#44
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Yo,
Gah! My poll is back from the dead!
Node: Sorry that our flamewar has been resurrected. For all those folks who thought I was an *******, this poll should cement that thought. *snicker*
KS
1989 GTUs "I said sorry! I did!"
Gah! My poll is back from the dead!
Node: Sorry that our flamewar has been resurrected. For all those folks who thought I was an *******, this poll should cement that thought. *snicker*
KS
1989 GTUs "I said sorry! I did!"
02-21-02 | 08:25 PM
#47
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Originally posted by Rx-7Addict
1) Any Turbo II or 89+ NA is going to have an aluminum hood already. So weight savings is already there somewhat.
1) Any Turbo II or 89+ NA is going to have an aluminum hood already. So weight savings is already there somewhat.
Is there a chart showing which hoods came on which cars? I've heard a lot of different stories on this one.
02-22-02 | 01:50 PM
#48
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Originally posted by Rx-7Addict
1) Any Turbo II or 89+ NA is going to have an aluminum hood already. So weight savings is already there somewhat.
1) Any Turbo II or 89+ NA is going to have an aluminum hood already. So weight savings is already there somewhat.
Kinda OT, but I just picked up an alum hood off an 86 sport for my 90 GTU. It is very light, but the middle of the hood seems very flimsy. I was washing it, and was afraid I was going to dent it. But it will do nicely until I get around to making the cf border style hoods. Dont ask me when, when I have time, I will make the mold. Until then, its not happening.
02-23-02 | 08:47 AM
#50
make hood like the new Knight sports or border with the vent hood.
I have a front mount and want to pull alll that air out of the engine bay to and route the air
ic - rad - and out.
can anyone do it?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
if so I will take 2 of them 1 for my street car and 1 for the 20B monster!!!
I have a front mount and want to pull alll that air out of the engine bay to and route the air
ic - rad - and out.
can anyone do it?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
if so I will take 2 of them 1 for my street car and 1 for the 20B monster!!!