88 SE

the big problem with that is....

most people dont have the stock mounts laying around. and at 40-50 bucks a pop they arent that cheap.

2nd you have to know how to weld. i CAN weld but it doesnt mean i trust myself to be able to weld something to my car thats holding up my entire drivetrain.

drilling 3 holes is pretty easy

banzaitoyota

and from a structural standpoint: A DISASTER!

RotaryResurrection

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John, I like to keep on good terms with people when I can, but I just can't keep my mouth shut this time. You seem to be a good enough guy personally, and you're probably actually pretty intelligent, too, probably more so than I am. BUt sometimes you come off as a real grade-A jackass, and just for clarity's sake let me state that this happens to be one of those times IMO. Whether you're wrong or right doesnt matter, but you talking to other people like you're their father or their physics teacher is a bunch of bull. Just like all the other "discussions" that you and myself have been involved in, you always think you're right, and no other points except those you present are anywhere near valid in your eyes. Some of us get tired of it...you're not the only one with a brain, let people make their own decisions and judgements, and don't instigate **** with them if you don't agree with those decisions.

And don't always act like we're building a ******* space ship, either. It's a damn car for god's sake. Yeah, that's my design. I know that it isn't the strongest, the prettiest, or even the best solution. My line of thinking in putting that design out there is that almost anyone can fabricate and install it in a matter of minutes with no special tools other than a hand drill. Not everyone is a master fabricator, designer, welder, or mechanic, and this is to be considered when speaking to the general public.

I don't care if you want to make yourself a bracket that weighs 60lb and is capable of supporting 10,000lb for your transmission...don't talk **** about this one and say that it won't work. It DOES work and has been in use on several cars i've converted for YEARS. Nobody has experienced "failure" yet, but perhaps it depends on how the installation was performed, and whether any tacks were welded for added stability which i recommend. It might not be a good idea for a race application or even someone who beats the **** out of their car with a hard launch at every light, but for the average streetcar looking to get back on the road after an auto trans failure it's not a bad way to go.

Not everyone here would be willing to find a 5sp car and cut out the stock mounts, take them to a shop to get welded in along with the chassis (in tow, since the car probably doesnt drive at that point), and tear apart their interior so that the welding doesn't catch the carpet on fire from the bottom up.

I've always been all about showing people the quicker, cheaper, easier way to do things, and I'll continue to do so, despite many people's dislike of this. These people would have you believe that everything to do with these cars must be precision engineered and must cost hundreds or thousands of dollars to accomplish properly. IN reality it's just an old car that people enjoy playing around with. You act like it's a commercial airliner.

RotaryResurrection

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******* forum...damn, back to this **** again...

88 SE

I agree I hate to see the pointless arguing , I just wanted a few different viewpoints..

I do like your idea though of the simple piece of iron .. i think with it tack welded in place it will be rigid enough to support the whole thing, it might end up bieng what ill do if i cant find someone to make me my custom bracket i have in mind.

slpin

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88se... i will take close up pictures of the bracket later today.... i have no doubts on its strengths and personally, i think it is a very strong rigid design....

xtremeskier97

Well said Kevin. Thank you for not flaming/attacking anyone personally. Keeps you above those people.

I agree that Kevin's adapter, along with some tack welds, would be the easiest/cheapest route for most to take, while still having a strong design.

Gregs

it never ends with this forum ive noticed, a simple question always blows up int a 2+ page bitch-fest....

Apathy

couldnt have said it even better greg... and kevin, I give you your props for how you handled the situation... because too many times have I seen simple question turned into personal arguments and people attacking each other verbally... that isnt why I joined this forum and I doubt anyone else did for that reason either...

banzaitoyota

BAD ENGINEERING IS BAD ENGINEERING, no matter how you slice it. I call it like I see it.

gerbraldy

The only right way to do it is get a mazda recycling number, call it, they will cut manual transmisison mounts off a car for you $135shipped for both. My friend is going through this right now, the only right way to do it is weld those manual mounts where they are suppose to be, those makeshift mount conversions don't look like they'd hold alot more over 200hp

banzaitoyota

I have 3 Chassis here right now that would be willing to sacrifice their floor pan sections for considerably less than that

RotaryResurrection

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And the motive of financial gain rears it's ugly head...

banzaitoyota

No, I crushed 8 cars last year with the mounts intact. Thats a crock of **** landers and you know it

xtremeskier97

Seems to be a little 'bad blood' here, wouldn't ya say?!

banzaitoyota

just a friendly disagreement on BASIC ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES

RotaryResurrection

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I see you can dish it out but you don't like getting it back. Sucks to be called out on the internet doesnt it?

xtremeskier97

Friendly? Calling other people's work "back woods" is friendly? I'm glad YOU think so.

banzaitoyota

I have other more appropriate engineering terms to call it, but decorum prevents me from doing so.

Cantilevering a load is not sound engineering judgement

RotaryResurrection

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damn, I can't believe aaron cake hasn't been along to shut this thread down long before it got this far. We're generally not left to our own devices for more than a few posts before intervention occurs

John, why don't you start making some type-R aircraft-grade engineered AT-->5sp brackets for the FC community. I'll gladly link to your site selling them from mine, and take down my poorly engineered bracket how-to writeup. I get lots of requests for these but I have neither the time nor desire to fool with it, so I stand to lose nothing, and I'd love to see someone manufacturing and selling them.

In other words, if you're so good, have at it, be my guest, you have my support. As of now, you're offering nothing to anyone, so I don't see how you can badmouth anyone else.

88 SE

well, its not like its that critical of a thing.

if it breaks it breaks. FC parts are a dime a dozen its not like its the end of the world if it were to fail.

jhammons01

Can the lod mounts be "Bolted" to the floor pan or do they have to be welded???

88 SE

well, its not like its that critical of a thing.

if it breaks it breaks. FC parts are a dime a dozen its not like its the end of the world if it were to fail.

banzaitoyota

They can be bolted into the floor pan, the load just has to be distributed. For those of you who dont follow my line of thinking, look at the way a bolt-in rollcage foot is installed. You will still have to remove the seats and lift the carpet to gain access to install the inside bracket and the bolts.

If someone is serious I can mock one up on the chassis I use for fitup.

xzyras

Mazda sells the brackets for 23.95 each side, Why would you pay 135+ shipping? Well thats what the parts guy told me on the phone anyway. I just have to figure out how to weld...

Banzai: You never answered my PM, how much are you asking for the brackets? Will they be preped to mount like in your pics? (Tacks removed) Let me know thanks!