scathcart

I'm 19. I was referring to the ricers which come and overload the forum with their questions about shooting flames and what stickers to buy.

JonEQuest

GEEEZ............ I did'nt mean to start a war. I think it's funny how the TII owners and the N/A owners seem to be having a rivalry, and the TII owners and the few turbo N/A owners argue constantly over who can do what and what is possible or not possible. Here is my take on all of this, Fact: Turbocharging is NOT high tech, it is an old school thing that got revived in the 80`s, Fact: Turbo`s were being installed on cars before they even made "turbo engines", the reason for a lower compression engine is the trade off of heat and power loss usually works out better if you start at a lower compression. Another fact is that for whatever reason, the turbo rotory engines are only a little bit lower compression than the N/A engines which means that the high compression problems should not as hard to deal with as they are in piston engine cars, where a turbo motor might be a 7:1 comp. ratio, and the N/A version has a 9:1 comp. ratio. That is a big difference, this is not. Finally, I have a convertible and if I had an N/A I probably would buy a TII. But I only bought the car because I found a vert for a $1000.....and you can`t beat that with a stick.......unfortunatly you CAN beat mine with a tuned up Cavalier, and that`s why I`m here.

John
Finally over 100 posts, I can finally post a pic of my car......hmmmm........where is that camera???

dpf22

you guys sound like kids arguing like this. those that don't like the turbo-ed NA set ups, TO EACH HIS OWN. you aught to leave people to their own madnesses. noone ever advanced in anything without a little experimentation or hands on trials. just because there are parts premade for cars does not mean that they are necessarily the best or worst. sometimes thinking outside the walls of the assembly line helps to create newer better things. some people don't see this. you can't learn everything there is to know about shtuff without hands on learning. and it is not all about money. sometimes the ghetto-rig fix works just fine. it does not have to be premade factory bent metal piping (which is also heavier than pvc) to be "not ghetto". so I leave it at that.

88 SE

There IS a rivalry and for a simple reason.

T2 owners tend to have money and a nicer car to start with

NA owners tend to be cheapasses and crappy cars.

Just simple fact that alot of the N/A's out there are pieces of junk because they were treated as everyday cars because of their low price.


And BTW, im not a T2 owner. I'm an N/A owner who spends way too much on his car that is "worthless" according to the blue book.


Back to the point.... If it were my choice I would find a N/A since you can find great condition N/A cars all day long with blown motors. Buy myself a Jspec turbo engine and rebuild it, and just swap in a whole ECU/wiring harness etc. Using a USED T2 motor is "ghetto" as anything.


Besides, buying a T2 would be taking the easy way out

scathcart

No offence, but with after a total contribution of 13 posts, do you really think you are the one to address our fora etiquette?

As long as we are pointing fingers about sounding like children, you spelled rudimentary words such as "no one", "ought", and "stuff" incorrectly. Not to mention the complete lack of capitalization and grammar.

Mazda made a turbo 4-port motor for a reason. If adding a turbo to the 6 port motor made sense, they would have done so. Adding components from another engine to a current motor won't help make any new products, either, it's just re-using what currently exists, and adapting a part to a place it doesn't belong.

JonEQuest

88 SE I love your pic, it seems that 90% of the people here post a pic of a car that looks nothing like what they probably own. It is nice to see the reality of where many of us are at.... restoration.

Mine is looking better though since I sold my other car and bought some rims and a new top. Tonight I plan to update my pic.

John 88 vert.

JusRollin

I got my car for $150 USD. I'm a Cheapass, Sue me. And if you want to know the actual reason why they didn't turbo charge the 6 port is most likely becuase of pricing reasons which would make the car unpractical to purchase, or drive since it would be a teenager purchasing or driving the car who's gonna be doing 4,000 RPM clutch drops and sliding sideways every gear shift in a race, assuming they know how to race. and N/A actually have around 9.5:1 compression while the TII have about 9.1:1 compression. If you ask me the N/A will spool the turbo's a bit better becuase of an increased exhuast compression. In other words, the turbo will spool up at lower RPM's produce more boost at higher RPM's and basically leave your Turbo II ( if done right) looking at tail lights. And since 7:1 compression is usually what piston motor's with a turbo charger run and a rotary has 9.1:1 is it any wonder we spank them bad? we spool up quicker. The only practical reason i can see for turbo chargin an N/A is to basically spank alot of people's civics and such not to mention show off at a car show with all the pretty looking custom work . And by the way.. What wing number do i order out of the O'reilies catalog that's a two bolt support instead of 4 bolt? I won't ask about decals cuase I don't like them, which is why any images going on my mazda are gonna be airbrushed! cuase adhesive bad for paint!! plus it increases blue book value ( Note: Custom work also increases blue book value if you keep receipts of all items purchased and maintanence done to the car) SO what if my car looks like a rice rocket in the end? i wanna outdo the dodge sitting up round here for looks and get up and go go.

JusRollin

I got my car for $150 USD. I'm a Cheapass, Sue me. And if you want to know the actual reason why they didn't turbo charge the 6 port is most likely becuase of pricing reasons which would make the car unpractical to purchase, or drive since it would be a teenager purchasing or driving the car who's gonna be doing 4,000 RPM clutch drops and sliding sideways every gear shift in a race, assuming they know how to race. and N/A actually have around 9.5:1 compression while the TII have about 9.1:1 compression. If you ask me the N/A will spool the turbo's a bit better becuase of an increased exhuast compression. In other words, the turbo will spool up at lower RPM's produce more boost at higher RPM's and basically leave your Turbo II ( if done right) looking at tail lights. And since 7:1 compression is usually what piston motor's with a turbo charger run and a rotary has 9.1:1 is it any wonder we spank them bad? we spool up quicker. The only practical reason i can see for turbo chargin an N/A is to basically spank alot of people's civics and such not to mention show off at a car show with all the pretty looking custom work . And by the way.. What wing number do i order out of the O'reilies catalog that's a two bolt support instead of 4 bolt? I won't ask about decals cuase I don't like them, which is why any images going on my mazda are gonna be airbrushed! cuase adhesive bad for paint!! plus it increases blue book value ( Note: Custom work also increases blue book value if you keep receipts of all items purchased and maintanence done to the car) SO what if my car looks like a rice rocket in the end? i wanna outdo the dodge sitting up round here for looks and get up and go go.

Aaron Cake

iTrader: (1)

"Failure" is relative. All cars will fail, it is just a matter of time. I know I will blow my engine at some point. You know you will blow yours. Does that prevent us from driving the car?

Well, I was probably too hasty with that remark since I don't have timeslips to back it up. HOWEVER, unofficial timing (ie. stopwatch and friends) shows the car to run between 13.2 and 12.5. Take the average, bearing in mind that it is a COMPLETELY unofficial number. But it's certainly not slow by any means.

I cringe everytime I hear of someone doing that. I have visions of the JB Weld being eaten by the engine...Anyway, I'll put it another way. What if I were to CNC my own sleeves? Won't cost more than $10.

I think people are WAY too stuck on the idea that all mods must come from stores. Just because you build something yourself does not mean that it is "ghetto". My engine bay is not full of shiny chrome for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is because it's an engine bay on my daily driver, not a showcar. Shiny chrome does not tend to add forward velocity to the car.

Stainless pipe look like stainless pipe. ABS looks like ABS. I fail to see how something can be considered low quality based on looks alone. And as you probably know, 304 stainless pipe is anything but cheap. (pipe is the easiest example, but there are others as well...S-AFC, FD fuel pump, etc.)

I spent time making my parts functional, not pretty. I do not personally judge a car by the amount of shiny things in an engine bay.

The stock intake is made of ABS.

That is a fact, but the "not even coming close" to a mildly modded TII is not. I don't know how Bambam7s car is running, but when mine was uncorked it....nice.

Yes, of course.

No, it was not mearly a learning experience, and I didn't "blow" money. Learning was part of it, and was mainly the practicle aspects of this particular setup. Not very useful knowledge all things considered.

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A car is only worth as much as the amount you could sell it for.
I could sell mine for $10K+, without a doubt, to someone who knew about RX-7s. You would never see that, unless you sold it to a current 16-year-old honda boy. [/quote]

I don't care how much my car is worth on the market. It was never an issue. And frankly, any 10+ year car is worthless (relativly speaking of course).

I have NO DESIRE to sell my car. I WILL NEVER sell it. I will be buried in it if possible. Bluebook value means about as much to me as a festering bowl of dog-snot (bonus points if you can figure out what movie that came from ).

That is the difference then. I don't base my self-worth on other people's opinions. My self esteem is not based on what others think of me.

So do I. But it's a long road, since I still don't even have the car in the garage yet and the engine pulled...Probably start this coming weekend.

Well, if you really want to...But there's no way I'm driving that far when there's a track 20 minutes from my house.

And never did I say to the forum that it was a lucrative idea. In fact, in case you haven't noticed, I discourage every person who asks.

I have never, nor will I ever, recommend turbocharging an NA when a factory turbo car is available. Drop in the TII engine...

My ignore list contains yzf-r1. I'm sure you can understand why.

Well, I would not post on it because I don't have any experience first hand with it. Quite simple really.

It was a joke....I put in a smiley face to convey that.

Many low-slip drag racers run high compression turbo engines as well...Moot point. Racing is racing, has very little bearing on the street in a daily driven car.

However, this whole thing is dumb. We are arguing two opinions that will never agree. I picture both of us banging our heads against a brick wall...

JonEQuest

.....and the wall is the other guys head............



...I had to add that.:-)

JonEQuest

....also was that line from "Fight Club" like the pic? Do you know about the extra frames added in the end scene of that movie?

John

Funklord

"We can meet in saskatchewan. "

yeah do it! then i get to see 2 cool 2nd gens that are fast by means outside the normal ways of being real fast. aaron cake = high compression rotors, scathcart = lots of nitrous, norm = to4, standalone. i think scathcart would win though, if he was able to get all the power to the ground. 280hp combined shot? added with the 200 stock hp.. you'd be in the low 11's i would think? but still, i've heard plenty of good advice from both of you. you both know your stuff, even though its different.

TonyTurboII

scathcart

I'd be running 160hp combined, at 10 psi (14 psi under nitrous), and all other existing mods.

280 hp is too much.

But all that's being scrapped now anyways.

Funklord

oh i thought i read somewhere that you were jetting 280 alltogether... but with 160 thats still like 400hp!

scrapping? for a new setup or are you quitting the bottle?

scathcart

New engine, turbo, intercooler, and different nitrous set-up.

KiyoKix

People argue over the stupidest **** (pardon my language)! If it's not your car, why bash it when someone does something that makes THEM happy. If it doesn't make YOU happy, look the other way. Cars are worth far more than money if you ask me. I wouldn't put a price on my FC, why because I love the car...end of story. This thread was SUPPOSED to be about putting a turbo on an N/A not why one person is pissed off that someone did that instead of do what he/she did. If you don't have any tips on this subject...WHY POST! I personally like the idea of a turbo on an N/A motor due to the higher compression that the N/A motor has. You just need to know what to look out for, and not get too carried away. All it takes is some self control and some knowledge, I'd say go for it. As a matter of fact even though I preach the N/A gospel, I myself have been thinking about this samething. I don't really know if I'll do it, but it's not a bad idea.

Xentrix

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