Rob XX 7

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just a couple of thick headed people thats all, including myself. Its just that some of us can discuss things with more respect to others.

88RXVERT

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Its very complicated when swapping series to series in either situation JDM or US almost none of the plugs are going to match up between the wiring harness, the chassis harness, the ECU and engine harness. Its best to stick with a plug and play swap same series, or change EVERYTHING over, so if you had a full donor car…you could make the whole thing easy if you insisted on going S4 to S5 by switching ALL the wiring over, which leaves you stuck using a US S5 engine. I admittedly did not do all the wiring myself…I was WAY over my head…the trouble shooting and wiring on my car cost over 1K by itself.

88RXVERT

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Whether or not you’re deleting 16 pounds from a vert or 100 or so, I don’t believe the car is a **** car and you do…well leave it at that. I have also owned both series and my vert feels lighter then my GTU’s, in fact I know it is, based on the giant pile of unnecessary **** it took two guys to pick up and move when I was done. All the things that you would consider a “**** car” once removed still remain in my car AC, PS, ETC…so im in the clear there ..oh thank god!!!!!


Anyway let’s put an end to this. If you feel I was disrespectful to you in any way then I apologize, even though I can’t find any post that could be even be misconstrued as such, I thought we were engaged in a constructive discussion between two people pasionate about the FC's. Sometimes people take my humor too serious (like the hypothetical race I won) that was a just a joke and I was driving your S5 TII (with 100 more ft. lbs of pavement pounding torque) in that imaginary race, did I forget to mention that?….LMAO…(another joke)

Either way I have respectfully agreed to disagree.

Rob XX 7

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have you ignored the multiple times I had said that if you remove the TOP AND TOP MOTORS FROM A STREET DRIVEN vert it becomes a **** car? I ALREADY said that I should have been more clear with my **** comment because it was directed at that weight saving method.

Obviously if you remove interior and even more then that its really **** car.

Thats it, nothing else. And im done.

88RXVERT

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No, this is what you said:

"Removing enough weight from a street driven vert to get it to coupe weight leaves you with a **** car."

The reason you said it was because you were under the impression that you would need to remove alot of the car (including the top and motors) to do so, only to find out its a mere 16 pounds. It would not require you to remove the top or motors to get a stock S4 vert to the weight of a stock S5 TII. Not only that but my post which you responded to clearly indicated that it depended on the application among other factors. Dude a pair (two) of 2" aluminum wheel spacers weight 10 pounds to put this in perspective.

Now I will admit that a stock street driver S4 vert would be a "**** car" but it would also be over 200 pounds lighter then its S5 TII counter part.

Again...is this third time I have said this?? I respectfully agree to disagree!

jjcobm

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Let's keep on topic please, enough and lets leave room for people interested in swaps into verts....

88RXVERT

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Ok, Sorry for my part in the hijacking of your swap thread, I would just hate for other people interested in doing vert swaps to be swayed away from doing so based on misinformation.

Back on topic, I think you really should find a donor car..compare the price of the TII engine, trans,driveshaft, LSD, axles, among other interior parts/color you may be intersted in using to the cost of a middle of the road TII donor car, and this is exspecially true since you are infact rebuilding the engine, so it could have bad seals etc..and you take the whole car for a steel. I wish I would have just bought a donor car. I have seen people buy whole RX-7's on here for less then I paid for my new demister and defroster dash vents or my S5 window switch. I read that you didnt want the hastle of selling off the left over stuff from your swap.. I didnt either...I ended up trading the entire drivetrain for a mint VERT black interior minus the dash, seats and some other misc peices, not much stuff really. Anyway some of your statements make it seems like your cost conscious while others seem like you are willing to throw some serious coin into this car...which is it? In my opinion buy the donor car, tear them both down, sell what your not keeping from both to pay for your mods then put 1 perfect car back together. I paid over $3500.00 for my JDM full drivetrain, yes it had under 30,000 miles verified. Im betting you can find a S5 TII with a blown engine (who cares your rebuilding it either way!) for less.

88RXVERT

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I meant to say:

[QUOTE=88RXVERT;9138344]
Now I will admit that a stock street driver S4 vert WITHOUT THE TOP would be a "**** car" but it would also be over 200 pounds lighter then its S5 TII counter part. So in almost every other application the vert being the clear choice.[QUOTE]

Rotary13B1

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Yes it's fun... but it wasn't cheap. = )

88RXVERT

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NICE..looks very um... straight forward and a clean swap, is all the emmisions stuff taken out?

Rob XX 7

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I have a build thread somewhere here, here are some pics to get back on track and get you in the mood for some turbo convertible fun


how it looked at the end of the summer:












as I sit now, have some changes going on at the moment

Rotary13B1

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Rob, that looks a little more advanced than what I have going on. = ) Very clean engine bay.

88RX- You're observations are correct. The TII really makes the Vert scoot. I'm currently running a LT10, for future upgrades.

88RXVERT

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WOW ROB...I have to admit..that is one of the cleanest and nicest engine bays I have ever laid eyes upon! I have pretty clean stock looking bay. Here is a pic…there have been some minor changes since the pic was taken... like a newer intercooler and more polishing, its still a work in progress. I have to give props where props are due!

88RXVERT

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OP..this is the kind of deal your looking for an entire TII donor car for $400.00-$1000.00 maybe this guy would sell it to you for a finders fee!!!!

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/found-t2-front-end-damage-need-opinions-833797/

clokker

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Jeez, both you guys have beautiful engine bays.

jjcobm

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Yeah that is exactly how I am feeling, but I had no idea deals like this could be found, i felt like all donor cars where gone for some reason. This would definetly be the way to go.

As far as budget, yes I do have it, but I am also the type of person that likes to get the best bang for the buck instead of throwing it around blindly. Thats why I am so hesitant about some things at times

Thanks for that link, I PM'ed the guy. At the moment I am going to be moving in the next month so this would be something I am really looking forward to doing once I get that done if all goes well.

Rob xx 7, 88rxvert, rotary13b1: thanks for those pictures, you guys have very clean swaps.

Robxx7: did you end up powdercoating the UIM, throttle body and other engine components or was it painted some other method? I like what you did....

jjcobm

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I have another question also, I haven't looked into it much but did any of you guys end up running a piggy back such as an Rtek, SAFC, or a full blown EMS such as mega squirt with your swap?

I might have to post this elsewhere, but just wondering if you guys had any experience with any of these when you did your swap.

As it sits, I am familiar with the MS system personally, but from what I read the Rtek is a piggy back for the stock PCM. I can't find an official website for the Rtek, on top of that where to buy it. Anyone know where I can find it?

RotaryRocket88

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The Rtek 2.0/2.1 versions are a re-chip/piggyback setup that let you connect a palm pilot to tune, but the 1.5, 1.7 & 1.8 are just a re-chip. The fuel and timing maps are adjusted. Go to www.pocketlogger.com for info.

And since this turned into a TII vert picture thread :

jjcobm

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Thanks for that link. Now that you guys showed your swap pictures, I was wondering how you guys were able to get the fins on the stock intercooler so straight, in particular RotaryRocket88's intercooler. The JDM engines I have looked at had them really bent and smashed? Did they come like this when you bought them or did you find a good condition one?

Also, did you guys end up adding any wire mesh or "filter" to the hood scoop in order to prevent debris from smashing your intercooler?

RotaryRocket88

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Most of the used intercoolers you'll find (especially on j-spec engines) get beat to hell being transported around. The one I'm using was in OK shape (it's a US-spec intercooler. I threw away the trashed J-spec), but I spent a good couple hours bending all the fins back straight, cleaning, polishing & painting it. I've never had a problem with rocks getting into the scoop either; only bugs, leaves, etc...

Rob XX 7

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the swaps on this page look like alot of time and care was taken, refereshing to see such attention being paid to not only the swap but the entire vehicle.

My parts are combo painted and coated, I knew I wanted similiar color wheels ( BBS RS-GTs ), and I wanted something different then all polished. Im still up in the air over the IC pipes but I have left them polished for now. One thing that does not jump out at you is the belt set up, ribbed belts using cosmo and FD pulleys along with a FD alternator and compressor- which ended up being alot of work to get it to line up and sit on the TII manual steering AC bracket, just getting the custom AC lines finished up tomoroww so I can put the car back together.

Im running a Wolf, currently upgrading to a V500 and taking the older unit out. I knew I wanted to have the capability to run any set up and have the tuning capability to do so. I eventually want a 400-450hp car and still may do a 13-BRE swap later on in life.

88RXVERT

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I have a few up for sale in the Parts for sale section, one is almost mint, I would say its comparible to the one in RR88's pic or better. I bought almost 30 intercoolers and I only found 2 that were in really good shape, one is a JSPEC and is on my car the other is US spec and its for sale right now.

88RXVERT

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The US spec intercooler has the two extra hoses on the left back side...did you just block those off?? Have you ever priced one out at the dealer, they quoted me $2300.00.


EDIT: Never mind...I see it in the pic!

RotaryRocket88

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Better?! No way, there are exactly 0 bent fins on mine . I went to town with some tiny needle nose pliers and a flat blade screwdriver. And after respraying in black, it all looks new again.

I also find the text on the J-spec intercoolers annoying. "Rotary Turbo with Intercooler." Oh, good, glad you threw in that intercooler at the last minute, Mazda. It's like a bad translation that should have read "Intercooled Rotary Turbo." Just one of those things, I guess, haha.

And yes, I capped the ASV and AWS nipples on the back of the intercooler. I'll probably get them welded up at some point.

88RXVERT

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, well the one I have for sale you would have only needed to do that to 1/2 of one S fin plus flicked out like 4 tiny pebbles with a needle and I know you know what that means since we have both restored stock intercoolers. If no one buys it im gonna F'ing restore it and frame it in my garage.

I planned on doing just what you did, until I found a very nice JSPEC which I restored, coupled with the fact that the 91 Turbo FC3S was not called a TII, just
"Turbo" I know thats picky and ****..but

BTW, I fried the motor in my dremil polishing mine...