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06-07-03, 05:42 PM
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If "Tornado Air" even understood the concept, at least *I* would not have hired the monkey on the infomercial. That guy's comments and the way he trys to explain the product is just TOOO funny 
) Oh well, I don't work for them so what does it matter what I say? All i know is people spend countless hours trying to weld vanes into their intake ports on 'other' engines. Not to mention the total port reshaping on most platforms.
) Oh well, I don't work for them so what does it matter what I say? All i know is people spend countless hours trying to weld vanes into their intake ports on 'other' engines. Not to mention the total port reshaping on most platforms.
06-07-03, 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by BobbyRX
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
fine - say it works.. what the performance gain? 1/2 maybe 1 whole horsepower? my money is better spent on a aux port actuation system or something..
you should heed your own advice. just because one guy cries its the best thing in the word doesn't mean hes' ****** God.
06-07-03, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by BobbyRX
I just dropped in to see if anyone had any comments about what I posted......
You guys are just too funny....
I can't believe how clear it is to most of the rest of the community. Well, the non-RX7 community.
Anyway... Velocity and flow have NOTHING to do with weather you have valves, or not.
Let me repeat: The engine still needs a proper mixture of fuel and air. If you don't have a proper mixture, the common thing to do is run rich. What this 'device' is doing is helping fuel atomize. It doesn't matter if its at the ****** air cleaner or at the intake port. When you start the air spiraling it will continue, except in a "hot wire" MAF system that uses an air strainer/flowrator. Bends do not matter, they affect it yes, but not negetivly. In some cases improves flow. Restriction creates velocity... just remember that.. check out: http://www.theoldone.com/articles/
under "Swirl Power". Also check out his head porting ideas. Even though its a piston/valved engine, the basic concept still applies. Weather you like it or not, the engine is still an (reasonably) efficient air pump. If it helps a rotary's efficiency whats the problem?
Velocity also creates momentum. You can use the air to work with you to help pull more charge into the system. If an engine breathes "too well", it will actually cavitate and stall out its flow. You hurt your low end and overall performance with a giant ported engine, thats the latest trend. See Formula 1, Porsche, or any other high $$ racing effort.
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
I just dropped in to see if anyone had any comments about what I posted......
You guys are just too funny....
I can't believe how clear it is to most of the rest of the community. Well, the non-RX7 community.Anyway... Velocity and flow have NOTHING to do with weather you have valves, or not.
Let me repeat: The engine still needs a proper mixture of fuel and air. If you don't have a proper mixture, the common thing to do is run rich. What this 'device' is doing is helping fuel atomize. It doesn't matter if its at the ****** air cleaner or at the intake port. When you start the air spiraling it will continue, except in a "hot wire" MAF system that uses an air strainer/flowrator. Bends do not matter, they affect it yes, but not negetivly. In some cases improves flow. Restriction creates velocity... just remember that.. check out: http://www.theoldone.com/articles/
under "Swirl Power". Also check out his head porting ideas. Even though its a piston/valved engine, the basic concept still applies. Weather you like it or not, the engine is still an (reasonably) efficient air pump. If it helps a rotary's efficiency whats the problem?
Velocity also creates momentum. You can use the air to work with you to help pull more charge into the system. If an engine breathes "too well", it will actually cavitate and stall out its flow. You hurt your low end and overall performance with a giant ported engine, thats the latest trend. See Formula 1, Porsche, or any other high $$ racing effort.
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
As posted countless times, the device that you are claiming is such a scientific break through, has been proven time and time again (with dyno and street/drag testing) to actually be hinderance to proper airflow on tuned intake runner vehicles. And while yes many basic carbed style intake systems do actually benifit from the device, it is useless in most tuned intake systems.
Again if you read the Swirl power article (written back in 85 BTW) you notice that the article is again refering to non-tuned intake runner systems, as found on the majority of pre '90s domestic vehicles. However the Mazda 13B engine has had tuned intake runners since 84, making the device useless on our vehicles.
Go ahead and use one if it makes you hard... it will make your car about as fast as it would if you added one of those LED tailpipes.
06-07-03, 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Icemark
Go ahead and use one if it makes you hard... it will make your car about as fast as it would if you added one of those LED tailpipes.
Go ahead and use one if it makes you hard... it will make your car about as fast as it would if you added one of those LED tailpipes.
06-07-03, 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by BobbyRX
I'm sorry, but you guys need to crack a forum or book... Here's how it works: Think of a velocity stack or venturi in a carburator. What is it for? Mixing fuel with air, using velocity. A restriction, creates velocity and give you more total flow from the air being a uniform mass, instead of glugging into the engine. You have to use a flow bench and smoke to see what I'm talking about....
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
I'm sorry, but you guys need to crack a forum or book... Here's how it works: Think of a velocity stack or venturi in a carburator. What is it for? Mixing fuel with air, using velocity. A restriction, creates velocity and give you more total flow from the air being a uniform mass, instead of glugging into the engine. You have to use a flow bench and smoke to see what I'm talking about....
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
Forgot to add: The fuel injectors in most systems are in the wrong posistion (you want them slightly facing up, not towards the back of the valves) and they are too close to the valves. Fuel injectors DO NOT do a good job of atomizing fuel. They spray fine droplets instead of mixing the fuel as fine as a carb can. That is why a highly tuned carb engine can make more power than a roughly tuned EFI system (but a well tuned EFI is better for around town driving). Point is: you need to have Something to help mix the flow, some intake manifolds have stacks or vanes built right into them to promote flow. </rant>
And what is this thing for? Is it supposed to promote flow or help atomize fuel?
06-07-03, 08:11 PM
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The swirling air which would normally mix the fuel better has to pass by the throttle plates, and many bends in the intake. By the time it hits the engine there's no swirling. Maybe it could help a tiny, TINY, bit in other cars with a very straight intakes, but not the FC.
BobbyRX, you are WAYYYY to gullible, Next are you going to tell us about how using Z-MAX will give you 50hp?
BobbyRX, you are WAYYYY to gullible, Next are you going to tell us about how using Z-MAX will give you 50hp?
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