TORNADO AIR ANT ONE please read
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TORNADO AIR ANT ONE please read
dose anyone have a tornadoair or a spiralmax on the rx-7 they say it gives between 10 to 20 hp and its only $70 if it dose add that much i will get it. iam a little iffy on it though. go to tornadoair.com to read about it iam not sure yet though.
05-24-03, 11:35 AM
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it IS a waist of money on our cars. I remember a thread a while back Icemark posted and talked about the reasons why they don't work for our type of cars cuz of something about the intake. Not to mention your putting a restriction in your intake. Just common sense man.
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right but on the site it has post from tons of ppl saying how it worked. i was just wondering. i might get it anyway but if it dosnt work i will send it back
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Originally posted by brandon's rx-7
right but on the site it has post from tons of ppl saying how it worked. i was just wondering. i might get it anyway but if it dosnt work i will send it back
right but on the site it has post from tons of ppl saying how it worked. i was just wondering. i might get it anyway but if it dosnt work i will send it back
However, since you're reading the company's own personal website, I'd be willing to bet that most of those people don't even exist.
Don't waste your money. Those Tornado Air thingies DON'T WORK.
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right i should since i can return it if it dosnt work. iam just trying every little thing to get h/p since i have an n/a. and h/p is hard to come buy after a few aftermarket parts
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Now, if those testimonials were on an unbiased website, not directly owned or affiliated with that company, I'd be inclined to believe that the Tornado actually works.
seriously, they're total garbage man. just another rip-off..
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I'm sorry, but you guys need to crack a forum or book... Here's how it works: Think of a velocity stack or venturi in a carburator. What is it for? Mixing fuel with air, using velocity. A restriction, creates velocity and give you more total flow from the air being a uniform mass, instead of glugging into the engine. You have to use a flow bench and smoke to see what I'm talking about....
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
Forgot to add: The fuel injectors in most systems are in the wrong posistion (you want them slightly facing up, not towards the back of the valves) and they are too close to the valves. Fuel injectors DO NOT do a good job of atomizing fuel. They spray fine droplets instead of mixing the fuel as fine as a carb can. That is why a highly tuned carb engine can make more power than a roughly tuned EFI system (but a well tuned EFI is better for around town driving). Point is: you need to have Something to help mix the flow, some intake manifolds have stacks or vanes built right into them to promote flow. </rant>
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
Forgot to add: The fuel injectors in most systems are in the wrong posistion (you want them slightly facing up, not towards the back of the valves) and they are too close to the valves. Fuel injectors DO NOT do a good job of atomizing fuel. They spray fine droplets instead of mixing the fuel as fine as a carb can. That is why a highly tuned carb engine can make more power than a roughly tuned EFI system (but a well tuned EFI is better for around town driving). Point is: you need to have Something to help mix the flow, some intake manifolds have stacks or vanes built right into them to promote flow. </rant>
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bobbyrx:
and i saw the informercial.. sure it may WORK depending on what type of car you have.. but theyre good for what? all of 2 or 3 horse? that money could go to blackjack and hookers! ... ahh screw the blackjack.. 
I remember a thread a while back Icemark posted and talked about the reasons why they don't work for our type of cars cuz of something about the intake.
05-24-03, 02:56 PM
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https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...ght=fuel+saver
ok next time do a search as you can see even I asked this before and got flames out the ***. lol
This question has come up about two or three times in the past several months. In my thread that I linked you all to ICEMARK posted what I meant about our type of intake.
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ok next time do a search as you can see even I asked this before and got flames out the ***. lol
This question has come up about two or three times in the past several months. In my thread that I linked you all to ICEMARK posted what I meant about our type of intake.
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05-24-03, 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by BobbyRX
I'm sorry, but you guys need to crack a forum or book... Here's how it works: Think of a velocity stack or venturi in a carburator. What is it for? Mixing fuel with air, using velocity. A restriction, creates velocity and give you more total flow from the air being a uniform mass, instead of glugging into the engine. You have to use a flow bench and smoke to see what I'm talking about....
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
Forgot to add: The fuel injectors in most systems are in the wrong posistion (you want them slightly facing up, not towards the back of the valves) and they are too close to the valves. Fuel injectors DO NOT do a good job of atomizing fuel. They spray fine droplets instead of mixing the fuel as fine as a carb can. That is why a highly tuned carb engine can make more power than a roughly tuned EFI system (but a well tuned EFI is better for around town driving). Point is: you need to have Something to help mix the flow, some intake manifolds have stacks or vanes built right into them to promote flow. </rant>
I'm sorry, but you guys need to crack a forum or book... Here's how it works: Think of a velocity stack or venturi in a carburator. What is it for? Mixing fuel with air, using velocity. A restriction, creates velocity and give you more total flow from the air being a uniform mass, instead of glugging into the engine. You have to use a flow bench and smoke to see what I'm talking about....
Have you seen the infomercial? The whole "spiraling" the idiot is talking about is No bull. In a fuel injection system this is essentially what would be needed to increase the flow into the engine since there is no venturis. Do some reasearch before jumping on the BS bandwagon....
Forgot to add: The fuel injectors in most systems are in the wrong posistion (you want them slightly facing up, not towards the back of the valves) and they are too close to the valves. Fuel injectors DO NOT do a good job of atomizing fuel. They spray fine droplets instead of mixing the fuel as fine as a carb can. That is why a highly tuned carb engine can make more power than a roughly tuned EFI system (but a well tuned EFI is better for around town driving). Point is: you need to have Something to help mix the flow, some intake manifolds have stacks or vanes built right into them to promote flow. </rant>
That sounds impressive, but it lacks intelligence.
First, (i'm going to yell this one for obviousness sake) WHERE THE **** ARE THE VALVES ON A ROTARY?!!?!!!?!!??!!?!?!!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!!!!!1!
Secondly, as far as the carb v. efi arguement, EFI wins in most respects (costs and complexitiy being the losing points).
Cmon...the highly tuned v. roughly tuned arguement? Let's think common sense...
How is air swirling, then ceasing to do so due to turns in the intake path going to effect anything other than the amount of air able to be ingested by the motor?
THINK ABOUT IT. IF THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS SO PROFOUND, IT'D BE ON EVERY NEW CAR ON THE ROAD.
*wipes a tear*
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I just dropped in to see if anyone had any comments about what I posted......
You guys are just too funny....
I can't believe how clear it is to most of the rest of the community. Well, the non-RX7 community.
Anyway... Velocity and flow have NOTHING to do with weather you have valves, or not.
Let me repeat: The engine still needs a proper mixture of fuel and air. If you don't have a proper mixture, the common thing to do is run rich. What this 'device' is doing is helping fuel atomize. It doesn't matter if its at the ****** air cleaner or at the intake port. When you start the air spiraling it will continue, except in a "hot wire" MAF system that uses an air strainer/flowrator. Bends do not matter, they affect it yes, but not negetivly. In some cases improves flow. Restriction creates velocity... just remember that.. check out: http://www.theoldone.com/articles/
under "Swirl Power". Also check out his head porting ideas. Even though its a piston/valved engine, the basic concept still applies. Weather you like it or not, the engine is still an (reasonably) efficient air pump. If it helps a rotary's efficiency whats the problem?
Velocity also creates momentum. You can use the air to work with you to help pull more charge into the system. If an engine breathes "too well", it will actually cavitate and stall out its flow. You hurt your low end and overall performance with a giant ported engine, thats the latest trend. See Formula 1, Porsche, or any other high $$ racing effort.
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
You guys are just too funny....
I can't believe how clear it is to most of the rest of the community. Well, the non-RX7 community.Anyway... Velocity and flow have NOTHING to do with weather you have valves, or not.
Let me repeat: The engine still needs a proper mixture of fuel and air. If you don't have a proper mixture, the common thing to do is run rich. What this 'device' is doing is helping fuel atomize. It doesn't matter if its at the ****** air cleaner or at the intake port. When you start the air spiraling it will continue, except in a "hot wire" MAF system that uses an air strainer/flowrator. Bends do not matter, they affect it yes, but not negetivly. In some cases improves flow. Restriction creates velocity... just remember that.. check out: http://www.theoldone.com/articles/
under "Swirl Power". Also check out his head porting ideas. Even though its a piston/valved engine, the basic concept still applies. Weather you like it or not, the engine is still an (reasonably) efficient air pump. If it helps a rotary's efficiency whats the problem?
Velocity also creates momentum. You can use the air to work with you to help pull more charge into the system. If an engine breathes "too well", it will actually cavitate and stall out its flow. You hurt your low end and overall performance with a giant ported engine, thats the latest trend. See Formula 1, Porsche, or any other high $$ racing effort.
BTW there is countless articles, books, and websites that go into great detail of what I'm trying to express. Just open your eyes guys.. You wouldn't have to ask so many questions and waste your time. P.S get off the BS bandwagon... Just because one guy cries BS doesn't mean he's ****** God.
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Re: TORNADO AIR ANT ONE please read
Originally posted by brandon's rx-7
dose anyone have a tornadoair or a spiralmax on the rx-7 they say it gives between 10 to 20 hp and its only $70 if it dose add that much i will get it. iam a little iffy on it though. go to tornadoair.com to read about it iam not sure yet though.
dose anyone have a tornadoair or a spiralmax on the rx-7 they say it gives between 10 to 20 hp and its only $70 if it dose add that much i will get it. iam a little iffy on it though. go to tornadoair.com to read about it iam not sure yet though.
