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Old 10-22-03, 06:55 AM
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TII rear end and tranny in a n/a

i got a complete TII rear end and tranny and planning to put it in but im not sure if the tranny is comapatible with the n/a block.
i know what you guys are going to say"why dont you drop a TII motor in it too or just buy a TII,this guys an idiot".before you guys start droppin bombs hear me out.

i already got a TII that im woking on for grip and drag and i wanna use my n/a for drifting. with the lsd and tranny in place i think it would help the slide.what do guys think?any advice or info would be greatly apreciated.
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Hey My Friend RONINAUTOBOX is having a t2 transmission put on his n/a car. They say it bolts right up as long as you change the flywheel!! SO thats all i know. Give him a pm and hell tell you he just got it done and probably went to pick up the car yesterday or today!! But i think change the flywheel and it bolts right up!!
Also im a drifter and Changing to LSd will really help the slide!! But go ahed and do it!! I have been wanting to do your swap for a while but no chance on finding rear end. Just make sure u have more power in n/a then usual to really whip those corners. But GOOD LUCK MAN!! DRIFT ON!!!!
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Re: TII rear end and tranny in a n/a

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i got a complete TII rear end and tranny and planning to put it in but im not sure if the tranny is comapatible with the n/a block.
i know what you guys are going to say"why dont you drop a TII motor in it too or just buy a TII,this guys an idiot".before you guys start droppin bombs hear me out.

i already got a TII that im woking on for grip and drag and i wanna use my n/a for drifting. with the lsd and tranny in place i think it would help the slide.what do guys think?any advice or info would be greatly apreciated.
Yes, the TII transmission will bolt right up to the NA engine. However, the TII clutch, clutch slave cylinder, starter, flywheel, and propeller shaft are different, so I hope you have those components also. The TII halfshafts are also different, but I'm not sure if the NA shafts will bolt up to the TII differential, as I have never tried it. There are hundreds of NA to TII threads in the 2Gen forum that you can read for more information.

Would a heavier drivetrain help your car slide? Sorry, I don't know anything about drifting, but basically if you don't need the extra strength of those components, the only thing they will add is weight. The NA components usually don't break until the car is pushing over 220-230hp or so, depending on how you drive it. IMO it sounds like you are planning on spending a lot of time and money on something that you don't need. If you just want the LSD (which may actually be worse for drifting, I'm not sure) then you can simply pull a NA LSD from the salvage yard or buy a nice, new one (clutch, viscous, or torsen, your choice).
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thanks for the info guys!i do aslo got the extra TII components.i was really worrying about the tranny not bolting on.i heard the drive shaft does fit on to the diff.
also in the n/a diff it dosent have an lsd,only TII have it.keep on looking around junkyards for the TII parts youll eventally run in to one.

i wouldnt say a heavier drivetrain or car does or dont help the slide.i think wieght can be a disavantage or an advantage,all on how you transfer it.you dont need a lot of power to slide but it makes a lot funner and easzier.
dam i need to stop watching initial d. i feel like i can drift any turn anywhere but really, more likely into a curb or some shiet!hehehehe
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Actually RexMan, I deided not to go with the Turbo 2 drivetrain. They replaced it with the N/A drivetrain for free, going with the Turbo 2 would have cost me just as much money as the conversion did in the first place when you figure clutch and parts altogether.

They had a T2 transmission coming in, but I needed my car back quick, so I went with the N/A drivetrain. The first transmission must have had problems from day one, because my car is so much faster now than it was before. 5th gear used to be just a fuel economy gear, now it PULLS in 5th, and I frequently find myself surprisingly ahead of the speed limit. Even with my AC on, I have to watch my foot very carefully on the gas, because I'll find myself at 90 way too easily. before, I would start losing speed if I shifted into 5th at about 80mph.

i noticed on my air/fuel gauge, that not only do I pull, but my engine spends more time in closed loop than before. I can pull in fifth and still be i closed loop with my lights sweeping back and forth. I love it.

I'm so convinced that the N/A drivetrain was that bad. In actuality my transmission has a blown bearing in it that eventually caused excessive front-to-rear play resulting in the failure which i described to you before. That and the fourth gear syncro was going out on me. I don't quite know how the hell that came about, but it did.
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ever thought about swapping the gears out of a fb, think mazdaspeed did this
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actually, some N/A's DO have an LSD. Don't know where you're getting your info.

The GXLs all have LSD, and I think the newer GTUs has an LSD, also.
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Yes, the GTUs and the GXL came with LSD, as well as a few other models.
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my bad. i thought the gxls didnt have it,right on for the correction.i totaly forgot about the gtus.lsd and gtus came out in 88 right?
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Ehhhh Heemmmm........... to clear up any confusion (anybody guess where this one came from):

"Did my FC come with a Limited Slip Differential?
Only the following FCs had a LSD from the factory:
86-88 GXL
87-91 T2
88 GTU
89-90 GTUs (however not the 89-90 GTU)
It is also rumored that a few rare 91 coupes with both the A (upgraded the interior trim, added a power sunroof, tilt steering wheel, cruise control, and 4 piston front disc brakes and vented single piston rear brakes) and the B package (leather seating, a CD player, and rear cargo cover) <b>came with a LSD</b>, but you should note that Mazda denies that any FC other than the T2 came with a LSD in 91). You can also tell by looking at the differential as there will be a LSD tag on S4 cars with a LSD."
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Originally posted by ThE R
i heard the drive shaft does fit on to the diff.
The manual transmission NA driveshaft will not fit on a TII transmission or TII differential.

Originally posted by ThE R
i wouldnt say a heavier drivetrain or car does or dont help the slide.i think wieght can be a disavantage or an advantage,all on how you transfer it.you dont need a lot of power to slide but it makes a lot funner and easzier.
So what is the point of adding all of those TII components? Like I said, if you just want the LSD, then pull an NA LSD from the salvage yard or buy a new one.
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
The manual transmission NA driveshaft will not fit on a TII transmission or TII differential.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Evil Aviator

my bad i havent slept for almost 2 days now i misread that part.

Yes, the TII transmission will bolt right up to the NA engine. However, the TII clutch, clutch slave cylinder, starter, flywheel, and propeller shaft are different, so I hope you have those components also. The TII halfshafts are also different, but I'm not sure if the NA shafts will bolt up to the TII differential, as I have never tried it.


So what is the point of adding all of those TII components? Like I said, if you just want the LSD, then pull an NA LSD from the salvage yard or buy a new one.
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i alredy got the parts
Originally posted by ThE R
i got a complete TII rear end and tranny and planning to put it in but im not sure if the tranny is comapatible with the n/a block.
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