Black13B

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You point WAS made, you just overkilled it by using 2.0 final drive ratios and 90% of weight in the wrong spot.. I mean who does this? Think logically.

Jabbering on about "logical" talk all day?
What are those pesky scientists (science = logic) doing in the labs all day? Saving lives or wasting time?

BDoty311

Nobody that I know of, but it helps people realize that other factors, are just that, factors. I made everything up, nothing was based on a real car.

I quoted "logical" from you and your logic. Im glad scientists dont use your form of logic.

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5 Ltr V8 250 Hp 3600 Lb
Stock TII original engine.

Can you tell who won this race?

This thread could go on forever, you could argue over how much power actually gets to the wheels, the tires size, the grip of the compound of each tire type, the pressure of the tires, the suspension setup, etc, etc, but at the end of the day the cars are so close that it would come down to driver.

but for the hell of it, every one jump into GT and post you stock 1/4 mile times

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Ohh.. just in case your wondering I did win the race

Black13B

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Which helps solve the debate... how?

I've already said I based my initial arguement on your logic! Which makes your assumption of my logic a reflection of your own.

KiyoKix

Okay, once and for all lets go to a respectable source for the final say. You can continue to argue all you want to after this, but bottom line it's in black and white and it reads...@ss whipping. Motor Trend Magazine 1989...Top 10 comparo watch and learn something...power is not everything...

Supra Turbo Power and Weight Numbers (notice the MR2 numbers...it's faster than the Supra in the 1/4...wonder why that is??? *looks out the window at the 2 MR2s and thanks God they're not supras*)
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1189-09.jpg

RX-7 Turbo Power and Weight Numbers (don't forget to look at the numbers people...)
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1189-06.jpg

0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers (holy fat @ss cars batman! btw...anyone remember the stock time on the FC N/A in the quarter...??? )
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1189-10.jpg

Handling/Lateral G and Braking numbers
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1189-11.jpg

Slalom and Road Course times
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1189-14.jpg

And the grand finale...just because I can...

RX-7 FC N/A numbers...(Motor Trend 1985...notice that one of the cars ran BETTER than the posted time...as a matter of fact look at the Supra time to 60 again...man.... .2 of a sec off???)
http://www.iluvmyrx7.com/2ndgen/arti...mt-1185-07.jpg

So there you have it, the Supra is NOT the beast that you might think it to be, it's a great car but just not in the same league as the FC period (N/A or turbo).

As for the FC vs. 924S review from Top Gear...here you go... (http://www.mymazdarotary.com/mazda_r...dtest_1985.avi)

In case the link can't be directly used here is the page.

http://www.mymazdarotary.com/mazda_r...bbc_videos.htm

RXSevenSymphonies

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good job kiyokix, TII's kick more *** than I thought.

KiyoKix

Btw, forgive me for the RSX Type S typo, I was reading an article about and intake test on it. I meant to put that the Civic Si runs the 15.9 (MT says 15.7 and 7.7 to 60...also the Celica GT-S runs 15.6 and 7.3 to 60, not far off at all, give us some new '03 technology street tires and bam there you have it) NOT the RSX...got a bit ahead of myself, thanks for pointing that out though

And maynard5000, that they do...but so do N/A's , don't forget that. Hopefully this will end this senseless argument

KiyoKix

Btw, forgive me for the RSX Type S typo, I was reading an article about and intake test on it. I meant to put that the Civic Si runs the 15.9 (MT says 15.7 and 7.7 to 60...also the Celica GT-S runs 15.6 and 7.3 to 60, not far off at all, give us some new '03 technology street tires and bam there you have it) NOT the RSX...got a bit ahead of myself, thanks for pointing that out though

And maynard5000, that they do...but so do N/A's , don't forget that. Hopefully this will end this senseless argument

KiyoKix

Sry for the double post, my connection was acting up

ViRuS

Yeahhhh!!! 7's rule!!! Good thing to cause I was getting worried... we are in a rx7 forum right...supra's you can have some more of this if you want

Maybe next time.

13bpower

In the middle of the fastest growing thread I have ever seen I will give my first hand experiences. I have a 87 TII and my brother has a 87 Supra Turbo. We both got them in completely stock form. Supra 236 hp 250 tq..... TII 182 hp 183 tq. I drove both like this. The supra has a slight advantage in 1st gear, but after that the TII would be slightly faster. The supra is a boat and it shows. 800 lbs on the 7.

Cory Simpson

Hummmm, maybe unloaded, but lets see you get in that truck, and do that with a full 20+tons on a trailer. And well see how fast you pop a U joint. Or maybe something worse. There's no way you can use that as any kind of comparison, it was made to pull 20 tons, but if you can get in it, and drop it into 5th with a full load I might be impressed.

And we had a peterbuilt, and a Marmon dump truck for a long time, so yes I do know, and yes I did drive them.




I hope you mean power stroke diesel. Because I have never heard of a 2 stroke diesel engine.




I would have fired you in the spot.

Black13B

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Regardless, torque still equals launch (or at least plays the biggest role). More torque is like making the car lighter - It will pull harder and faster. You can't argue this without looking stupid.


Just because youve never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If a trailer is too heavy and you put too much stress on our 2 stroke, it will bog and then run backwards effortlessly. Search on the internet for 1985 Ford 2 stroke turbo diesel.
Pale in comparison that one incident is in the winter to what some of the other guys do on a daily basis to that machine.
Either way I'm not concerned, especially becase It will be a long time before your in any type of managerial position.
But that's not what this debate is about.

My88Se

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Some people are just good at making themselves look stupid.

Who cares about numbers and *if* it will win. If you want to see it go do it and stop sitting here and arguing about what will and will not happen.

My88Se

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By the way you are all postwhores.

ERAUMAZDA

so what happen to Terrh

Aaron Cake

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Please keep it friendly. No insults, no "**** talking", etc. Otherwise this thread will be closed.

xfeastonarsex

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Why do you think that they measure 0-60 and 1/4 mile... to get a more accurate gague on how the car behaves. Cars accelerate at different times differently., there is no linear acceleration through all the gears at all rpm ranges...There are many factors that make one car better or faster in this case to another car.
Another thing that I have been told from my friend who has supras and works on them is that their hp does spike it isnt as "smooth" as the rx-7's.

MasteRX

All this talk about 1/4 mile times and HP vs torque, but it is all missing the point of what an RX7 truely is. An RX7 is not all about being the fastest car down the dragstrip, but rather being the fastest car around the racetrack. I dont even need to argue that this car is the best in its class on the track; it's own race record is a testament to that. In fact, every so often I still see them racing on Speedvision(channel) against other much newer cars.

ERAUMAZDA

sucks to go fast forward, but can't corner

yearrgh

What I would do for that channel. It's basic cable in other places but not here. Damn it all.

Black13B

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Is he required to post within a certain time limit?

bingoboy

those are some super slooooow loading picture thingies from motortrend, but very cool

KiyoKix

MasteRX, I fully understand that the 7 was made for MUCH MORE than straight line (I own an N/A for a reason ). That is the reason I posted the road course times...notice the supra vs the 7. I couldn't really bring that to the table though as the main argument because the thread was not about road course times, it's about straight line speed (else I would've laughed at anyone who said the supra was even close to being faster) so I had to bring out the truth. 7's are NOT simply straightline warriors, but they're not slouches either and now that many more people realize that.

I'm not really worried about Terrah replying, he doesn't have to. This wasn't done to **** someone off, it was to bring some people to the truth. If he replies it would merely be for people to take more shots at him, which they're gonna do regardless so why bother posting? He's seen the truth and that's all that needs to happen . No hard feelings man...