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Originally Posted by CrispyRX7
Dunno where I found it
Originally Posted by gxlbiscuit
forest for the trees ladies and gents. main priority is to increase the intake area.....
Now about the intake area that you think needs to be increased... when using the Search function on this forum I found that the intake area should be about 1/4 the size of the intercooler core cross-sectional area, which I think is close to how Mazda designed the stock system. So if you double the size of the inlet area but keep the same intercooler core, then wouldn't that make the ratio more like 1/2 instead of 1/4? And if 1/4 is optimal then wouldn't 1/2 be worse?
Maybe you should have NZConvertible design the scoop for you? What he is saying mostly matches what I have found on the internet.
Originally Posted by Agent_D
all he is saying is, he wants one made to test out, and i think unless someone has some kind of proof that it wont do anything over a stock one, that none of you really know that its not going to help airflow, or the intercooler.
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lol 1/2 is bigger than 1/4... 1/4 may be optimal for stock boost levels, but he isnt running stock boost levels.
as for the thread, he asked if someone would make it, he didnt say "i want everyone to throw in their criticisms even though no one has any real proof or numbers saying it doesnt work"
bottom line to everyone, if you dont have numbers or some kind of proof to back up that its a bad design/bad idea/ or otherwise, quit wasting his time with hearsay or what you think is right or wrong. if you wanna say its not gonna work, make one like he said, go get it tested, post your numbers compared to stock and prove him wrong, otherwise its just talk.
the only person i give any credibility to is NZConvertible, cause i know he's one smart cookie and knows a LOT about FC's, but even so, he has no numbers backing up his theory either.
as for the thread, he asked if someone would make it, he didnt say "i want everyone to throw in their criticisms even though no one has any real proof or numbers saying it doesnt work"
bottom line to everyone, if you dont have numbers or some kind of proof to back up that its a bad design/bad idea/ or otherwise, quit wasting his time with hearsay or what you think is right or wrong. if you wanna say its not gonna work, make one like he said, go get it tested, post your numbers compared to stock and prove him wrong, otherwise its just talk.
the only person i give any credibility to is NZConvertible, cause i know he's one smart cookie and knows a LOT about FC's, but even so, he has no numbers backing up his theory either.
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
lol 1/2 is bigger than 1/4... 1/4 may be optimal for stock boost levels, but he isnt running stock boost levels.
Originally Posted by Agent_D
as for the thread, he asked if someone would make it, he didnt say "i want everyone to throw in their criticisms even though no one has any real proof or numbers saying it doesnt work"
Originally Posted by NZConvertible
Sorry man, but these two comments are really stupid. If incorrect info is posted, it must be corrected. Otherwise the whole forum turns into a steaming pile of useless info that nobody can trust. If being proven wrong bothers you, you should not be posting stuff like this!
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lol his proof would be if it worked or not, if it didnt work, then he was wrong, but you keep insisting that your right with no proof, believe what you will, when you have numbers disproving the theory then you can talk all the **** you want.
the way you saying it, 1/4 is optimal for absolutely everything for the TMIC, 1/4 is optimal for a stock system, you have no way of knowing if 1/4 is optimal for a different turbo, more boost, engine porting, etc etc etc.
GET NUMBERS THEN TALK ****, i dont care what kind of educatin you do or do not have, without actual numbers supporting what you say, everything you say is useless, why is that so hard to understand??
oh btw, im done with this thread, when you have hard evidence, IE: numbers if you didnt figure that out, disproving his theory, and actual testing done to see that it doesnt work, PM the numbers.
i never said it would or wouldnt work in any of my posts, i said it could increase velocity of air going in, and he never said it would or wouldnt work either, just to make it so he could find out.
the way you saying it, 1/4 is optimal for absolutely everything for the TMIC, 1/4 is optimal for a stock system, you have no way of knowing if 1/4 is optimal for a different turbo, more boost, engine porting, etc etc etc.
GET NUMBERS THEN TALK ****, i dont care what kind of educatin you do or do not have, without actual numbers supporting what you say, everything you say is useless, why is that so hard to understand??
oh btw, im done with this thread, when you have hard evidence, IE: numbers if you didnt figure that out, disproving his theory, and actual testing done to see that it doesnt work, PM the numbers.
i never said it would or wouldnt work in any of my posts, i said it could increase velocity of air going in, and he never said it would or wouldnt work either, just to make it so he could find out.
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
he never said it would or wouldnt work
Originally Posted by gxlbiscuit
it would have to help with cooling being its intake area is more than twice that of stock ) it would also move the intake closer to high pressure area so more air would go in that way.
Originally Posted by Agent_D
when you have hard evidence, IE: numbers if you didnt figure that out, disproving his theory, and actual testing done to see that it doesnt work, PM the numbers.
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HOLY CRAP!!!
Dudes, all you need is is to read my previous posts to figure out if it would work or not, I'm not going to repeat myself...this is waaay over the head of some, just some of the posters here.
LOL, 1/4 beter that 1/2 on a heat exchanger...dude, I'm not even going to comment on that monumental statement. Here's the bottom line YES IT WOULD WORK period.
You want numbers?? I charge regular math tutorial fee, even if you do you wouldn't understand a single page of the many to show them.
Please don't take this personal, but if a read a post I know if it's over my head, we're all here to learn... so I think some of you have been way out of line insulting
each other (OK OK I'm new here..I'm saying it anyway), so c'mon we're supposed to be a fraternity here!
Google will help little on this but Physics I+II, Aerodynamics, Thermodynamics and Fluid Dynamics will get you the numbers everybody has been talking about. Oh yea BTW, you need Calculus I, II, II and Differential Equations before taking most of those!
Or plenty of experience moving IC's around and measuring temp at the IC.
I think this thread is entering a stall!! (Google that...it will help to understand this thread)
Dudes, all you need is is to read my previous posts to figure out if it would work or not, I'm not going to repeat myself...this is waaay over the head of some, just some of the posters here.
LOL, 1/4 beter that 1/2 on a heat exchanger...dude, I'm not even going to comment on that monumental statement. Here's the bottom line YES IT WOULD WORK period.
You want numbers?? I charge regular math tutorial fee, even if you do you wouldn't understand a single page of the many to show them.
Please don't take this personal, but if a read a post I know if it's over my head, we're all here to learn... so I think some of you have been way out of line insulting
each other (OK OK I'm new here..I'm saying it anyway), so c'mon we're supposed to be a fraternity here!
Google will help little on this but Physics I+II, Aerodynamics, Thermodynamics and Fluid Dynamics will get you the numbers everybody has been talking about. Oh yea BTW, you need Calculus I, II, II and Differential Equations before taking most of those!
Or plenty of experience moving IC's around and measuring temp at the IC.
I think this thread is entering a stall!! (Google that...it will help to understand this thread)
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I didn't mean to throw anything on somebody's face, I'm no better that anybody else, but this silyness needs to stop. I want to put some good tech info here...that's what this place is all about.
If were just going to say " Ahhh you're full of ****" the moderators might as well put a big, stainless steel, bullet proof LOCK on this thread
If were just going to say " Ahhh you're full of ****" the moderators might as well put a big, stainless steel, bullet proof LOCK on this thread
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Would you also like me to test to see if street porting the engine makes the car go faster, or do you think that a simple Search and some common sense would save everybody a lot of trouble?
hahaha, see you dont understand at all, no one has done any testing for this type of larger scoop, lots of people have tested street ported engines so we know numbers on that, and that it produces better results.
your trying to make a comparison between something with no testing and something with lots of testing, and it just isnt the same, link to me a thread, or a webpage anywhere that has some kind of testing done with a larger hood scoop, you wont find one.
i agree with you av8tr, people talk **** and say bad stuff about each other, but no one ever has the inclination to actually do any kind of real world testing on anything to see if it works, they just want to say it wont work. if people posted good useful information on here we wouldnt have so many questions, but everyone tries to post stuff they have heard, or know nothing about and saw a web page with the info on it that was actually wrong.
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
hahaha, see you dont understand at all, no one has done any testing for this type of larger scoop
Anyone like to post their result???? (pics would be enough!!)
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oh no, i didnt mean another company, just the FC alone, i doubt the numbers would be the same on a WRX since the air flow characteristics are probably different, they probably have a different size IC, maybe different sized scoop inlet duct, etc.
i believe it will increase velocity, volume; maybe not, but velocity for sure.
i believe it will increase velocity, volume; maybe not, but velocity for sure.
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
i believe it will increase velocity, volume; maybe not, but velocity for sure.
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what the world needs now............ is luuuuuuuv sweet luv................... AND A BIGGER FREAKING FRONT SCOOP!!! subaru did make the scoop bigger for the stis because it works better. im done i just want a freaking bigger scoop. the forum can be poop sometimes.... i want a solution some of you people just subconciously have to find the time to argue about something(must be the bitch at work or home). either you can help US get bigger scoops or shut up. (*&#$*(&@@ @ !!!!!!!! im done trying to debate my concept renewed.. help or dont post .. done
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
...it seems your saying that it wont get better flow cause its moving to a lower pressure area as was stated before, lower pressure doesnt mean its not going to get more air flow, it seems a lot of people like to associate low pressure with no air, which is stupid to think, cause if there was no air flow in "low pressure areas" then there would be no benefit to having any kind of scoop on any hood of any car.
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We Need A Bigger Scoop
BTW, isn't a custom scoop going to cost like $2k? Have you gotten any estimates from custom shops like Monster Garage?
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NZ, are you willing to bet on that?? I go to Australia often, sometimes to NZ... PM me if you want to know why I think it's neglible you just mentioned. We've talked about it enough here.
BTW...That's a bold statement you made, all I've posted based of principles straight out of books, and lots of years of study and tweaking TII's...I really don't appreciate that my friend, I know you're the man but on this one I think you should budge a bit.
Happy face.... This is all in a friendly tone...
BTW...That's a bold statement you made, all I've posted based of principles straight out of books, and lots of years of study and tweaking TII's...I really don't appreciate that my friend, I know you're the man but on this one I think you should budge a bit.
Happy face.... This is all in a friendly tone...
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Just the scoop is being made bigger stop trying your best to be so damn stupid..you're succeeding... i drew a simple picture for you........... now who can make the scoop........
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Originally Posted by RX_AV8TR
NZ, are you willing to bet on that?
Originally Posted by gxlbiscuit
...now who can make the scoop...
In your first post you called yourself resourceful, said you didn't want negative comments, and just wanted someone to make this for you. If you can come back with a design that you have proven will improve intercooler efficiency, you will be taken far more seriously. Everyone keeps blabbing about proof; how about you go get some?
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Originally Posted by cardzrule
Why? Where do you get your information from? Why not make the scoop 10 times bigger? In fact, why not just remove the hood completely if you think that exposure to more air is going to help?
BTW, isn't a custom scoop going to cost like $2k? Have you gotten any estimates from custom shops like Monster Garage?
BTW, isn't a custom scoop going to cost like $2k? Have you gotten any estimates from custom shops like Monster Garage?
its common sense that a bigger opening will force more air through the ic
and if u remove he hood completely it wont force air through the ic it will create a low pressure area above the engine which will suck air from the engine bay and bleow the car
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hmm lets see.. im in the military... i surely dont have the work areas to create such things.. i brought my idea renewed to the forum in hopes someone else would goo haaaaaaaaaa good idea i wanna do that. i will be measuring intake air tempteratures.. throws a table at NZ. lands on his big toe... stop trying to be so damn difficult. one purpose of the forum is to help each other out.. what the **** is this..
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hmm lets see.. im in the military... i surely dont have the work areas to create such things
http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...ite_air_du.php
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one purpose of the forum is to help each other out
Originally Posted by gxlbiscuit
i brought my idea renewed to the forum in hopes someone else would goo haaaaaaaaaa good idea i wanna do that.
Originally Posted by renagade_rotary
if u remove he hood completely it wont force air through the ic it will create a low pressure area above the engine which will suck air from the engine bay and bleow the car
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Originally Posted by gxlbiscuit
hmm lets see.. im in the military... i surely dont have the work areas to create such things..
i brought my idea renewed to the forum in hopes someone else would goo haaaaaaaaaa good idea i wanna do that.
i will be measuring intake air tempteratures.
stop trying to be so damn difficult.
one purpose of the forum is to help each other out.. what the **** is this..
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Looks like the conversations are getting better....whew!! Now I'll put the physics principles aside and now to reality, this is just my personal opinion on IC's.
After debating a lot here, although I think that it would definitely result in a drop in temp, I think it would be minimal, when I say that I refer to it being berely noticeable in performance...if at all, just like a cat-back, it gives but very little.
Given the amount of work involved in making or modifying the scoop vs. relocating the OEM IC to the front...it's probably not worth it. Now, putting the IC in the front right in front on the grille that's another story, you're taking a huge factor out...radiated heat, and there's no way around that top mounted. Even with about .5 to 1psi drop the drop in temp alone will result in increased hp...and there's tests to many brands and sizes of IC's out there to back that up, all you do is turn that **** 1/4 turn to the right!!!
All in all...I would just put it on the front...
Food for thought.
After debating a lot here, although I think that it would definitely result in a drop in temp, I think it would be minimal, when I say that I refer to it being berely noticeable in performance...if at all, just like a cat-back, it gives but very little.
Given the amount of work involved in making or modifying the scoop vs. relocating the OEM IC to the front...it's probably not worth it. Now, putting the IC in the front right in front on the grille that's another story, you're taking a huge factor out...radiated heat, and there's no way around that top mounted. Even with about .5 to 1psi drop the drop in temp alone will result in increased hp...and there's tests to many brands and sizes of IC's out there to back that up, all you do is turn that **** 1/4 turn to the right!!!
All in all...I would just put it on the front...
Food for thought.
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... in my post which is 10 posts before the one where you included the same picture. But I'm a bonehead so I guess my input doesn't count. I guess it doesn't matter since I found it searching this forum so it's not like I was the first person to post the picture anyway.
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ok nz youve crossed the line.. how about a nice cold glass of shut the hell up you dont know what my living conditions are like.... we arent allowed to work on our cars in the parking lot and since im 1500 miles from home hmmmmmm... cant fabricate **** using fibreglass and the usual bits of things you would need..... damn know it all you are officially in the range of saying **** you know nothing about... i guess the goal is to agrivate me.... dipshit