NZConvertible

You could just as easily argue than your exhaust and FCD are dumb and not necessary. The fact is both will give you more power, and both have the potential to kill your engine if you don't know what you're doing. There's no reason why you can't do both and get even more power, but again, knowledge is the key.
Who cares if it's cool or not, of if other people respect you. That doesn't make it any less effective at making power.

jsotelo

The MG Miget, Mazda Miata, NA RX-7 FB and FC, NA Porsche 944, Porsche 914, Datsun 280z, Hachi Roku, 240sx, VW Scirocco.. Wow look at all these cars that SUCK because of your limited deffinition of what is COOL.

You wanna know what NAWWSS is for? It's for DRAG RACING.. the only application it's good for period. As I said before if you have a TII just spend the money on upgrades and you will make more HP. Go drag race.. go beat some Mustangs for me.. I'm not real partial to them.

If you have an NA and want to drag race.. WHY!! Do you use a circular saw to cut fine detail into wood? Do you use a scroll saw to cut 4x4s? Do you use a nitro burning funnycar to run autocross? When why the hell would you drag with an NA FC? Go get a drag car, go get a Camero where you can add a buck fifty shot and make some HP.

And yeah.. REAL CAR GUYS would much rather open the hood of a car and see a bolt on turbo kit or a supercharger than a bottle of nitrus in the trunk. You show me the person who knows their stuff who would rather see a big bottle of nitrus. Go look at the tuner special of Car and Driver they just did. Now you tell me how many of these tuners used nitrus on their cars.

Okay NA Focus SVT what did they do? Supercharger. Neuspeed GTI.. nitrus? nope but it got turbo and computer upgrades. okay another SVT.. opps supercharger, Dodge neon.. custom all motor engine swap.. sorry.. Okay let's skip ahead.. let's see what Vishnu did to the Lan Evo.. oops.. repap of the computer and exhaust.. okay how about Cobb on the WRX.. ***** out supercar that costs around 87K.. custom everything but still no nitrus..

Okay I made my point.. go call up Cobb, Vishnu or whoever and ask them why they didn't just do nitrus. You want me to tell you why? Becuase it's NOT flexible. It's for DRAG RACING! Okay you people with TII.. you think you have dangerous boost creep? Try running nitrus on the street.

Now let's attack your limited deffinition of slow.. How about a GTUs with 150 hp and 114 lbs of torque? Runs 15's in the 1/4 mile slow? Then why the hell when we took it to Thunderhill did my friend best a Viper, Porsche 911 Cabrio.. TWO OF THEM, Honda S2000, BMW 540i and I in the same car, my first time on the track, beat a 350z, Focus SVT and a Turbo Jetta?

It's car balance and driver skill. Is the 15 second quarter mile car slow now? What about the Viper that could not keep it's wheels on the track and was sliding all over the place? Is it still fast? Bestmotoring ran Keiichi Tsuchiya 's 20 valve hachi roku against an Skyline GT-S on the Touge.. Need I even tell you what car won?

Just because doesn't do a 11 second quarter mile doesn't mean it's not cool. I love my FC. My car is one of the best cars I have ever driven in. It it a drivers car. I had someone offer to trade me his WRX for my FC the other day. Yeah he was joking but I said no without even thinking of what he had offered.. it would take a LOT for me to give up my car.

Look, nitrus has it's place.. it's a cheap way to get more air/fuel to burn and more power. I have a good friend who runs nitrus on his Chevelle. It's a built motor drag car. Would he rather have a supercharger? Who wouldn't but nitrus was a lot cheaper and with his big *** motor he can get 150+ hp out of it. He can't even use the nitrus until he gets into second gear otherwise his wheels spin and he gets no traction. He said it really sucks when you hit the nitrus and your bottle is empty.. just shoots a bunch of fuel into the engine and bogs you down.. makes your car run really slow.. He said that is not cool.

In reagards to NZConvertible

Make your powah how you want bro. nitrus is effective at what it does and for it's specific application. I was in a rush on my org post and my true meaning didn't come out. Basicly it's what I wrote above but less violet because c-squared pissed me off with his ignorant statements. I'm trying to get across that it's for drag racing.. can you hear me now ;-)

It just seems that everyone and their brother saw Fast n Furious and think that nitrus is the end all be all to HP.. and it isn't.. but really what is.. wel maybe more displacement

"Duude does your car have nawwwsss? It doesn't? Oh.."

NZConvertible

I just think you're far too hung up on a stupid movie that really has nothing to do with the pros and cons of nitrous, and of other people's opinions of what's considered "cool".

I have no desire to run nitrous either, but it's got nothing to do with what anybody else thinks of me or my car. Argue the technical metrits, not some imagined perception or people's opinion of you.

Aaron Cake

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Unless someone posts some real info, this topic is pretty much done.

blasphemy512

wow..this has gotten a lil outa hand i just wanted to know if nitrous went well with a rotary. and all of the sudden id be judged as not cool if i had "nawwss" ? haha not tryin to **** people off but cmon now. yeah and by the way what would be the best wet system for a 90 t2 ?

dr0x

no

blasphemy512: There arent any real 'best' kits. All of them have their draw back in one way or another. Im probably piecing my kit together using NOS and nitrous express parts. I suggest you read the nitrous write up at 1300cc.com. It explains in great detail what you need. Then start calling up manufacturers and see what they offer. I would also suggest finding a forum cenetered around drag racing and read up in their nitrous forum. Youll find a lot of good info. ls1.com may or may not have one. clubsi.com has a shitty one.

scathcart

Dave brought this post to my attention. We work together, and race together.

You're forgetting a couple simple facts about racing: Give yourself any advantage you can. When you're out on the track in your GTUs and outhandling every other car, you're still going to be limited on the straight stretches. While you may be able to out-handle a viper (must've been a shitty driver in that car... geez), the guy is going to kill you the moment you hit a straight stretch. Anyone who takes competition seriously knows to give themselves any advantage they can to win a race. Sponsors like to have their cars make the news with winning cars, not be the car so severely underpowered that it got passed every time there was a straight line.

Of course the factories are going to use a mechanical form of forced induction. You can't ask the public to refill a chemical form of power; its the same logic for why mazda used engine oil for the MOP. Your basic idiot needs to be able to get in and floor it, not worry about keeping bottle pressures constant or changing fuel maps.

Fact is, going to come down to it: I don't care what magazines you've read stats out of; until you have first hand knowledge with racing or being a team member, keep your opinions to yourself. Until you have first hand knowledge dealing with nitrous, via installing, tuning, and racing with it, keep your opinions to yourself.
B/c, really, when it comes down to it, you're just another internet poster with no experience to back up his words. Why would anyone believe you on a subject you have never actually dealt with yourself?



To the original poster: I recommend avoiding the Zex kit. I have done some research and testing with it on a modified N/A, and have found some issues that would cost some engines. Your best wet kit would be either from NOS or NX.

I think you should really avoid putting nitrous on a TII. The ratio of product gases to intake is incredibly huge, so you will have an incredible amount of exhaust gases spoolibng your turbo and trying to escape through your tiny wastegate. You will creep with nitrous on, and if you don't have the fuel control for up to 18 psi, you will blow your engine.

For more info on this, PM Dave, and he will give you my email address.


Yes, I sold my old S5 TII. Yes, I have a new RX-7; a couple, actually. Yes, my "fun" RX-7 is faster than my last one. No, it does not idle below 2000 Enough said.

OutlawstaRX7

u wont get looked down if u have nos. racers use nos becase is cheap HP .i would use nos but i think my motor is to old and i dont have the money to get a new one