C-Murder

Nah, I was just thinking of that. The tube will contaminate it. But I think it would be good to get it as pure as you can before you add it.

iceblue

Ok let me clear this up for you.

You are misunderstanding why this happens and its propertys. 1st boiling it like this befor puting it into your engines does nuthing but exsplods and burns your face. The reson the watter exsplodes is b/c you microwaved it. If you microwave something past the boiling point du to the magnetic frequencys that a microwave uses to create its heat it.
Basicly bounes off a metal plate causin ultra high frequent magnetic waves this causes the molicules to get super super tight in the watter causing it to not surface boil anymore and when you desturb this the molicules suddenly freek out and are set free and CABOOM!

so stop playing with this befor you give yourself 3rd degree burns on your body from the boiling water you can not see boil

xtremeskier97

OMG this thread is going down the tubes.

Me thinks it should be closed.

RotaryEvolution

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forget the boiled distilled water BS, plain ole' tap water has been used for years with decent results but only if performed properly.

iceblue

im chiming in late so dont get mad just puting a few words out there hey i read this whol freekign thing for the 2nd time i earnd it

Ive ben reading this water stuff on here and searchign it and asking about it. I think there is a clarity ishue here. I know some of you long timers here that so know this are getting quit adjitated and even at me. Why? b/c evryone keeps asking how to do it and u keep exsplaining it.

Now on defense to the non water gurus. We read this and are like sweet lets do it and we search it and read it and are like what umm ?????
This again is like the OMP problem on here. Someone posts something on how to do it and someone ells posts a whol nother way compleatly contradicting the other and another person says no that dosent work and so forth.

Basicly what I have learnd form this is ANY VAC line will work as long as it splits into the intake to both rotors. The problem is what ones. Somone needs to be sure on what ones to use for each engin and use detaild pics even thow this is so simple and post it on the ARCHIVES. And as well post what people might run into that may arise a ? such as the filter that the vac line has in it on hte big hose on a NA S4.

I reserched this and did it several times and non the less without mistake.
Ok my dad has ben building engines since he was around 15. he wasa front line macanic for GM and crystler for 16 yrs and built miky tompson race engines for 10. he built a 8sec 1/4mi NA all motor hurst olds 442 at 20 and ben my race macanic since i started racing 18yrs ago. For god sakes i had a pw50 that did 65mh and pulld a wheely off the line untill i let out of it. I ran the watter thing by him. Yes he dosent know rotarys but he does know recipicating and he said yes it will work and it will clean it up some and theres nuthing wrong with it. We used to do it all the time to clean the valves its fine.

From what I have learnd on here is that it is alot safer on a rotary then a recipicating engin and alot fo you guys are freeking awsome when it comes to rotarys so if they say its safe and people provide valid points then make your own decerment on wether u like the idea or not insted of bashing each other for it. evryone is insulting evryones inteligance and evryone has a valid point to be wade here.

patman

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ok, i;m tired of this one too. a few last words:

any vac line that feeds both rotors will work. if you cant figure out what lines fit that criteria, then dont even bother doing this, youre liable to **** up something else.

use distilled water from the store, you can get it by the gallon real cheap, it wont leave any deposits. if you arent worried about infinitessimal deposits, then just use tap water.

all this **** about microwaving water is retarded and has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.

i'm out, unless maybe someone at some point has a worthwhile question

pat

Jaguarx7

What about, instead of using a vacuum line, you got a garden hose with a spray nossle set on "mist", removed your air filter, and sprayed into the intake? Surely it woudn't give too much water.

xtremeskier97

The engine does not run well AT ALL with the air intake disconnected. Plus...its a lot easier, not to mention safer, to do it as stated before.

I cant believe people are still questioning this method....geez.

Jaguarx7

How would removing the air filter change how the car runs (if it's just in your driveway, of course)? I just figured if the water was sent into the engine in a mist form it would be a little easyer for the engine to digest. Besides that, I think this method would be a lot easyer than having to fumble with vacuum hoses whilst struggling to keep the car from dying from the vacuum leak. Understand, I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm just trying to find an easyer and more efficient way of doing things, which is why we tune/modify our cars in the first place, right?

RotaryEvolution

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once the water is drawn into the plenum (intake chamber) it turns into about as fine of a mist as a mister could do anyways, also for turbo applications this isn't practical, water would build up back into solids in the intercooler and the evaporation accross the cold side of the turbo would make it an innefective method. you don't want the mist too fine or it won't do it's cleaning process very well at all.

Adam

yeah right, like its gona suck the water all the way up the tube into the intake, thats why using vac lines is more pratical, it Flows Directly into the engine!

Amur_

You can do it that way, but:


a) You risk (however unlikely) your motor inhaling something through it's now-filterless intake that will harm it.

b) I have total faith and confidence in Kevin's assertion that after using the tee-ing method, he has seen in subsequent teardowns signs that the water did just what it was supposed to do. So the tee-ing method is already successful. Would blasting water up the intake also be? (I think Karak's already answered that.)

c) You are still going to be struggling to keep the motor running. You're still putting water into it, and it isn't going to like that. With the water trick, you're right there at the TB and can manage the throttle yourself. Will you still be able to do that when using a garden hose?


It's not a struggle to do the water trick. It will be the first time you do it, but after you get used to it you'll have a feel for how you 7 reacts and you'll do a better job of managing things.

Jaguarx7

Just read the replys (been out camping all weekend), good points raised, another thought I had on my way out of town was using the cold start assist piece on the VDI manifold to inject the water, as it goes to both rotors. Any thoughts? (keep in mind that as I'm writing this I'm suffering from lack of sleep due to other people's incorect assumption that consuming large amounts of beer make you funnier and a better singer, and those people's need to demonstrate this theory untill about 5:00 this morning, and am therefore not exactly thinking at top notch.

RotaryResurrection

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Problem is not all cars have that, plus it's inaccessible on turbo motors. After sometime in late 89 or 90 they stopped installing that valve.

As a rule, use the tee and 2 ports.

patman

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man a mod should close this thread. someone posted kevin's description of how to do it way back at the beginning...thats the right way, and it works fine. if you want to do it, do it that way, if not, dont. all this talk about water hoses and different lines and **** is bullshit.

nothinguntil

after reading up on this forum I did everything right I think. Last night I about a gallon and a half threw the two openings in my lower intake manafold and there when I got down to the end of the water just about finishing I noticed flames coming out of my tail pipes. My exhaust got so hot that my rubber mounts by my cat started on fire!! After I put out the fire and then replaced my spark plugs my car ran like a dream!!!!

nothinguntil

after reading up on this forum I did everything right I think. Last night I put about a gallon of and a half of water threw the two openings in my lower intake manafold and there when I got down to the end of the water just about finishing I noticed flames coming out of my tail pipes. My exhaust got so hot that my rubber mounts by my cat started on fire!! After I put out the fire and then replaced my spark plugs my car ran like a dream!!!!

nothinguntil

I forgot to add something. It scarred the **** outa me