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Old 08-28-05, 10:09 PM
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I've got a nice idea for a turbo CAI. You still need to have your top mount for it to work, but it involves making a custom intake duct using sheet metal. Basically you would make a duct where a front mount intercooler would go, having it go into about a 3 inch pipe towards the passanger side of the engine bay. From there you can plumb it into a small box that is completley sealed where your cone air filter would reside, wich then mates right onto the turbo. You could fit the AFM in there easy with an S5, but with the S4 it would be more tricky. I havent actually planed it out seriously yet, but I am defenitly going to consider it.

Just a small idea.
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$0.25 camber links.
They work great but sqeek a little due to lack of lubrication.





$4 camber links.
It's a 10mm rod-end threaded into a chunk of aluminim. I havn't used these on the road yet.


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Old 08-29-05, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
Heh, I have seen your ride before, i think it's da bomb. Didn't realize it was you who posted that Q though . ooops. But didn't you chop a coupe into a targa? LOL LMAO

yeah, awesome mod though, really well done, factory look.

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Actually, Mazda happens to be researching that idea,.............
Yea, they have been working on that for a long long time actually. Not just on the newer rx8, but they have been working on it for some time in a few different incantations. For years and years they have been running an Mx5 miata with a rotary engine using fuel cell tech. Just doesn't seem to be getting anywhere yet...... at least not on our shores in big numbers anyways. IF you look around, there's dozens of articles about the Mazda research.

But I know that in Cali, there are a few(very few) stations that fill Hydrogen. For what I know that will be the biggest hurdle. Hydrogen is a very unstable gas when being transfered, (please correct me if I'm wrong)and it currently requires a special licence just to fill your tank! mostly due to it's wanting to explode. But there are a few places that they are doing real world testing of these vehicles. Ford is in on the tests too. Right now I can't remember the other manufacturer who is in on the testing too, but there is another major player.

Wouldn't it be nice, to go for a drive, and you get to a rest stop, only to take a drink of fresh clean water right outta your exaust!?!@?
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mount a gas powered leaf blower in the trunk and use that as a supercharger. LOL!!! Make sure you have spare engines!
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I always wondered if it would be benificial to run a cai through an intercooler....would it help? just an Idea
Old 08-29-05, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fullcircle
I always wondered if it would be benificial to run a cai through an intercooler....would it help? just an Idea
Sure, if you can get the intercooler below ambient temperature by a significant amount.

Otherwise, you're taking ambient air, running it through an intercooler to exchange the temperature with... ambient air. All you'll do is add a restriction to the intake system.

The reason it works with a turbo is because the air coming out of the turbo is HOT - 200+F is quite normal, with higher temps easily reached. Cooling this down with ambient air works fine.

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LOL... Just take a car with a rear window washer system and point the sprayer up in the air.. That way when someone is tailgating you you can spray a mixure of water and food coloring at them so they back off.


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Heres an idea....Turn the highlight washers around, so they point to the car infront, and fill the tank with water you want, as someone walks by you could always nail them with whatever... OR Fill the tank with acid, as to burn the cars infront and people aswell! lol...
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Originally Posted by MichaelFregoe
LOL... Just take a car with a rear window washer system and point the sprayer up in the air.. That way when someone is tailgating you you can spray a mixure of water and food coloring at them so they back off.
We don't need such things, we've got rotaries. Just rev and let off in neutral, then watch as you cover their front bumper in soot. Especially effective at night.
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Originally Posted by Tech_Greek
Dood...I so want that...
Old 08-29-05, 06:43 PM
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WOW, So much for legitimate ideas. Can't anyone just post pics of things they've done to improve performance or make the car more reliable. I've made a cold air box myself, in the process of a radiator shroud, hood spacers and a Vmount Intercooler. But God knows everyone says the Intercooler will cost an amazing amount of money. There are really good ideas out there but most of these aren't in that category.

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Old 08-29-05, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
^ I was so waiting for that post to be busted out.
that supposed to mean something??? yourself everyone hates you.
Originally Posted by Mordachai
Heh, I have seen your ride before, i think it's da bomb. Didn't realize it was you who posted that Q though . ooops. But didn't you chop a coupe into a targa? LOL LMAO

yeah, awesome mod though, really well done, factory look.
Actually it sucks i hate that roof job i wish it was factory, it was a terrible hack job, now i have to clean up the mess the last owner had done by either making it factory again or doing it better, mmm gotta love chassis flex. I can't wait to find out how much bondo they used in this thing.
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
that supposed to mean something??? yourself everyone hates you.

Actually it sucks i hate that roof job i wish it was factory, it was a terrible hack job, now i have to clean up the mess the last owner had done by either making it factory again or doing it better, mmm gotta love chassis flex. I can't wait to find out how much bondo they used in this thing.
OH NO!
I didn't realize it was hacked like that! It really looks like it was done well, but some pictures tend to hide some things~~

Chassis flex? what's that? LOLOLOL
Any thought of a 4pt or 6 pt cage? that should eliminate most of that front to back flex. If its twisting, then you've got you're work cut out for ya!.


Syonyk, Russ
What do you think about using a water to air intercooler for the said CAI set-up? Probably use the water wetter in the water in the intercooler to make it drop a little more heat?.?... I guess in my own theory that would drop you below ambient air temps, but it might require some other kind of coolant than water in there.
But again, I really have no experience with water to air (or air to water) intercoolers. Maybe they are just something 'new and different'
I'm pretty sure they are heavier than air to air `coolers though.

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Originally Posted by Mordachai
Syonyk, Russ
What do you think about using a water to air intercooler for the said CAI set-up? Probably use the water wetter in the water in the intercooler to make it drop a little more heat?.?... I guess in my own theory that would drop you below ambient air temps, but it might require some other kind of coolant than water in there.
But again, I really have no experience with water to air (or air to water) intercoolers. Maybe they are just something 'new and different'
I'm pretty sure they are heavier than air to air `coolers though.

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I'm confused as to what you're trying to accomplish. You want to cool the intake air charge, which with a proper CAI is at ambient, below ambient, somehow using ambient air and not a lot of energy.

An air/water intercooler just has a separate radiator to cool the intercooler-coolant, but it STILL won't get it below ambient.

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The only way to drop below ambient temps is having a water-air intercooler and putting ice in the water. That or running a wall unit in front of the intercooler.
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Originally Posted by patman
try reading guys, he was talking about fuel cells, not a hydrogen combustion engine.
and actually, there is aquite a bit of R&D going on in the fuel cell area, and they are damn near feasible to implement nowadays, you just dont hear about it. they dont want you to know whats coming or you wont buy whats out now...
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Except the major problem of where all this hydrogen is going to come from, how to store large amounts in a vehicle to give you enough range, the narrow operating temperatures of fuel cells, insanely high cost, and the massive inefficiency of the entire system....

Much cheaper just to build an EV and charge batteries directly. In fact, many studies have shown that the fuel cell cars are overall half as efficient as pure EVs, with many of the drawbacks but none of the advantages...
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the source of hydrogen is the only major problem nowadays. assuming you can get hydrogen, new generation fuel cells are super efficient (80-90%), can operate at ever lowering temps ( i think the latest is about 400F, but dont quote me on that). the cost is high, but not insanely high, and if it were put into production would decrease by half or more.

there are a few people using fuel cells for home power nowadays... i suppose it might not be a bad idea to just do that and use it to charge your EV.
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Makes sense, I was just thinking that water is probably a better regulator of heat/cool and that water would do a better job of cooling the air. I mean if a air to air has the ability to drop temps 20% 30% 40%, shouldn't an air to water be able to cool it down just a little little bit more? Maybe not. Like I said , I have no experience at all with air to water intercoolers, just know that they exist. and that's why I said it might not be water that will get it colder than ambient. I don't know what would do it, some crazy AC hack job, with an evaparator cooler behind, next to, or under the intercooler, and the cold air lines running in front of the intercooler? OR maybe you'd have to be even more creative!~

and if the air/water coolers will not do any better job, than an air/air, why do they exist? as thought before: just for something different?? just to say you can do it?
there's got to be some reason for them........



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The only way to drop below ambient temps is having a water-air intercooler and putting ice in the water. That or running a wall unit in front of the intercooler.
Ah, that makes alot of sense with the ice. Somehwere I've seen some kind of car( top fuel drags, I think....) that had ice put into some weird looking airbox/icebox thing. I don't know if it was used to cool any coolant, or if the air simply went through a 'dry' ice box to try to drop the temps. I know in FL, the ice would last about 25 seconds!LOL

But maybe if you used dry ice, it would last a good bit longer and cool things faster... any thoughts?

But what you just said about putting a huge wall AC unit infront of the cooler is kinda what I was thinking previously. Maybe some highly modified Car AC system, and instead of having it cool the passengers, have it cool down the intercooler itself. It would look all kinds of wrong, a cooler infront of your cooler, but I know there are Companies making all kinds of things that you can use to spray infront of your intercooler to get it colder than ambient temps. I think most are using No2 to do this, but I'm not sure. I just about never pick up any tuner mags, there's never enough rotarys in them....

Hey after all , this is the strange or unique mod thread.
Why not figure out some way to make your intercooler get the air below ambient temps, and do it regularly and reliably?? figure it out, and you could be in the green!
any thoughts?
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you need to give up on this idea.

you cant cool below ambient using outside air, because it is ambient. A2W still uses the outside air to cool, it just uses a stage of water in between.

any AC unit you use will take FAR more power to run than it adds.


cooler intake temps make more power, sure, but not that much more power. not enough to be worth it to make some complicated system to cool the intake, not to mention that on a non turbo car, the intercooler will make enough of a restriction to cancel any power that is gained.

its cool that youre trying to pursue an idea, but pick a different one.

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Originally Posted by patman
you need to give up on this idea.

you cant cool below ambient using outside air, because it is ambient. A2W still uses the outside air to cool, it just uses a stage of water in between.

any AC unit you use will take FAR more power to run than it adds.


cooler intake temps make more power, sure, but not that much more power. not enough to be worth it to make some complicated system to cool the intake, not to mention that on a non turbo car, the intercooler will make enough of a restriction to cancel any power that is gained.

its cool that youre trying to pursue an idea, but pick a different one.

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Hey man, Like I said, This is the strange and/ or unique mod thread, and I was wondering, only wondering, if any of that makes sense at all and is even remotely plausible.

I'm so glad you are here to tell it like it is..................


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Originally Posted by patman
you cant cool below ambient using outside air, because it is ambient. A2W still uses the outside air to cool, it just uses a stage of water in between.
Spray alcohol onto the intercooler.

Same idea as a swamp cooler: http://www.air-n-water.com/faq_swamp.htm
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i wasnt trying to make you feel bad man, just trying to save you from wasting a bunch of your time.
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where can we get those license plate kits?
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I know this is basically useless, buty couldn't you put an aquarium cooler in to cool the water? I know of people that do it with water cooled computers. It shouldn't add much strain to the alternater,especially if you had an FD alt. Of course it wouldnt add much power, either. Oh well.
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How about setting up a device to feed ritalin to the hamsters that make the rotors spin? That outta make them run faster!
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damn... forgot all about those poor little critters...havent fed em any peanuts or anything for a long time...

i remember those days....

"how does it work?"

"all i know is, theres a gerbil in there, and the more peanut butter i mix with the oil, the faster he runs"

lol


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