Please help me figure out what is wrong with my starter wiring!!!
11-29-10, 10:37 PM
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Well i got to thinkin and i dont have that little theft light in center console so idk if i have the anti theft or not...I'll check the wire for current after work tomorrow!
11-29-10, 11:27 PM
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It's got the negative coming from the battery and the positive coming from all that mess and i disconnected the spade connector and it spins...if i take it off the tranny with everything hooked up like it should be it wont spin....but if it's on the car it will...hang on i'm gonna go outside and try to take some pictures and post them on here maybe it will help....i'm sorry guys i've had a rough time with this and a bad day...thank you for everything!
11-30-10, 12:03 AM
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then go find a new or used starter. refer to my second to last reply above. that small black wire is what is supposed to tell the starter to turn, without it hooked up something INSIDE YOUR STARTER is telling it it should be on, which is also why the gear is not coming out like it is supposed to, because the solenoid isn't energized, why? i won't go over the **** again because this has been the most simple nightmare i have dealt with attempting to help on this forum for some time.
all i will say is the answer has already been said in one of my previous posts but you don't understand it, so buy another starter and bolt it in there, with the battery wire going to the post WITHOUT the cable on it that leads to the starter motor itself(the big round thing that looks like an electric motor...the smaller thing is the solenoid which tells the motor to spin and also pushes out the gear).
if you want to save yourself $20-80 buying another starter, hit yourself in the head with a rubber mallet and think about where you are putting the battery wire on the starter and look at the wire coming off the starter motor, then look at the lonely other post on the other side.
so i wound up saving you the money anyways, if the sarcasm didn't bite you in the *** enough you can mail me the money i saved you on a new starter or the hours of headache digging through the ignition circuits. but wanna know what is worst? this could have been avoided with a single, god damn picture!
if none of this is still sinking in i will say it as plainly as i possibly can: "PUT THE DAMN BATTERY CABLE ON THE OTHER STARTER SOLENOID POST!"
all i will say is the answer has already been said in one of my previous posts but you don't understand it, so buy another starter and bolt it in there, with the battery wire going to the post WITHOUT the cable on it that leads to the starter motor itself(the big round thing that looks like an electric motor...the smaller thing is the solenoid which tells the motor to spin and also pushes out the gear).
if you want to save yourself $20-80 buying another starter, hit yourself in the head with a rubber mallet and think about where you are putting the battery wire on the starter and look at the wire coming off the starter motor, then look at the lonely other post on the other side.
so i wound up saving you the money anyways, if the sarcasm didn't bite you in the *** enough you can mail me the money i saved you on a new starter or the hours of headache digging through the ignition circuits. but wanna know what is worst? this could have been avoided with a single, god damn picture!
if none of this is still sinking in i will say it as plainly as i possibly can: "PUT THE DAMN BATTERY CABLE ON THE OTHER STARTER SOLENOID POST!"
11-30-10, 12:29 AM
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somebody's pissy.....excuse me....i took the starter to work and tested it...worked just fine....
switched the cables around on the solenoid which was damn near impossible because I HAVE THEM ALREADY THE RIGHT WAY and left the spade connector on....connected the battery and nothing happened.....turned the key and the starter kicks out but doesnt spin....
put the cables back on correctly.....connected the battery...starter spins on it's own without turning the key....tried turning the key while it was spinning and nothing happens just continues to spin....
i dont remember what happened when i moved the little wire on the starter housing but i know it obviously didnt do anything that it should have....besides the position of the wire was unnatural to how the wire was already bent...
the starter should have a positive a negative and the little spade connector running to it and that all am i correct?
i'm not being hard headed or stupid...i've tried everything but check continuity on some wire just because i dont have an ohm meter to test it with...I AM DOING THIS TOMORROW!
i'm about to take some pictures now my camera had been dead
switched the cables around on the solenoid which was damn near impossible because I HAVE THEM ALREADY THE RIGHT WAY and left the spade connector on....connected the battery and nothing happened.....turned the key and the starter kicks out but doesnt spin....
put the cables back on correctly.....connected the battery...starter spins on it's own without turning the key....tried turning the key while it was spinning and nothing happens just continues to spin....
i dont remember what happened when i moved the little wire on the starter housing but i know it obviously didnt do anything that it should have....besides the position of the wire was unnatural to how the wire was already bent...
the starter should have a positive a negative and the little spade connector running to it and that all am i correct?
i'm not being hard headed or stupid...i've tried everything but check continuity on some wire just because i dont have an ohm meter to test it with...I AM DOING THIS TOMORROW!
i'm about to take some pictures now my camera had been dead
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11-30-10, 12:37 AM
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you're still missing something.
the solenoid operates, and the motor operates but neither both at the same time.
look at the back of the solenoid, you have 1 spade connector on top and 2 battery wire posts. the 1 closest to the starter motor has the wire attached to the motor itself, which gets its power from the other post WHEN there is also power provided at the spade connector.
the other post without the wire to the motor is where the battery cable gets attached to. so when testing the motor you need to hook up the battery to that empty post, ground the starter chassis to negative AND apply power to the spade connector. if you did that and it still only did one of two things, turn the motor or eject the gear then you have a faulty starter. if you're only using 2 wires to test the starter you're not testing it properly and avoiding the underlying issue here that is still trying to be resolved. hooking the positive to the terminal with the starter motor wire only tests the motor, hooking the positive up to the spade connector only tests the solenoid ejector. if you are doing the test properly with 3 wires(empty post then spade terminal) and it still is only doing one of two things then your solenoid must be faulty. you can replace just the solenoid but this seems to be just a bad scenario, just replace the whole damn thing.
if the starter motor now tests ok take this thinking into how it is being hooked up in the car and you can see why i am getting frustruated, because it appears that your starter motor post is getting constant voltage, while the solenoid itself isn't getting anything which sounds to me like it is simply hooked up the way it sounds like it is. think of that spade connector being the bridge that allows the starter to operate when you turn the key, allowing current to pass from the battery to the motor which turns on both the motor and solenoid ejector, if it's turning on without a power source then that solenoid is passing it internally somehow without the need for a key to either the solenoid or the motor.
the solenoid operates, and the motor operates but neither both at the same time.
look at the back of the solenoid, you have 1 spade connector on top and 2 battery wire posts. the 1 closest to the starter motor has the wire attached to the motor itself, which gets its power from the other post WHEN there is also power provided at the spade connector.
the other post without the wire to the motor is where the battery cable gets attached to. so when testing the motor you need to hook up the battery to that empty post, ground the starter chassis to negative AND apply power to the spade connector. if you did that and it still only did one of two things, turn the motor or eject the gear then you have a faulty starter. if you're only using 2 wires to test the starter you're not testing it properly and avoiding the underlying issue here that is still trying to be resolved. hooking the positive to the terminal with the starter motor wire only tests the motor, hooking the positive up to the spade connector only tests the solenoid ejector. if you are doing the test properly with 3 wires(empty post then spade terminal) and it still is only doing one of two things then your solenoid must be faulty. you can replace just the solenoid but this seems to be just a bad scenario, just replace the whole damn thing.
if the starter motor now tests ok take this thinking into how it is being hooked up in the car and you can see why i am getting frustruated, because it appears that your starter motor post is getting constant voltage, while the solenoid itself isn't getting anything which sounds to me like it is simply hooked up the way it sounds like it is. think of that spade connector being the bridge that allows the starter to operate when you turn the key, allowing current to pass from the battery to the motor which turns on both the motor and solenoid ejector, if it's turning on without a power source then that solenoid is passing it internally somehow without the need for a key to either the solenoid or the motor.
11-30-10, 01:21 AM
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I understand the aggrivation believe me...i work at autozone i put it on our tester and it worked perfectly...i ordered a new solenoid....i just dont think thats it...idk what that spade wire could be touching...
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11-30-10, 01:26 AM
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mmm, the wire on the left side is your ground, which should be going through one of the starter bolts into the transmission. the right side wire is your battery cable which should be bolted to the left side terminal. in fact the starter motor wire probably should be going to the left side terminal and leave the battery cable on that right side BUT try it both ways, i don't believe the side either is on matters. either way the battery wire and the starter motor wire should NOT be on the same post, your negative battery wire is just confusing you because it should basically be out of the picture for your starter wiring. just make sure the battery cable wire isn't anywhere near the transmission when you get it placed, whichever side it winds up being on.
11-30-10, 01:37 AM
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take the leftmost thick wire off the starter and move it away for now, it is irrelevant. now take the starter motor wire(the wire coming from the starter motor itself, not the car) off the right post and place it on the left where you removed the ground. leave the battery cable on the right side post and leave the spade connector where it is, that should get the starter motor working properly when it is bolted to the transmission, now take the thick ground wire you removed and run it through the top starter bolt when installing the starter.
i'll be back in 10 minutes, it better be running by then!
i'll be back in 10 minutes, it better be running by then!
11-30-10, 01:41 AM
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okay...sorry i read your last post again you already said that lol i'm tired and ready to fix this thing....it is officially 2:41 a.m. and i'm about to try this! Dont go anywhere!
11-30-10, 02:20 AM
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You definately just made my day/night...morning whatever the hell you wanna call it!!!! It works now!!!! I feel like a complete *** but it works lol....i lost my wallet yesterday...along with 200 dollars and i couldnt get my car running....now....it runs...i just need to find my wallet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just might have to mail you some money! Thank you SO MUCH!!! I'm gonna go get everything put together now!
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