UniqueTII

Yeah, Ken, you're right...RX-7s are only made to handle...that's why they put turbos in them. Does this crap even make sense to you?

I never said I was just a drag racer...I said I want both straight line acceleration and cornering ability out of my car. Do I need to spell this out any more?

I ran a 14.1X in my car. What does that have to do with anything? I don't have the money for engine or suspension upgrades, so why does it matter what my car runs? The fact of the matter is that an RX-7 can be the fastest car on the road course and still do well on the drag strip, so why not let people use them for what they want to use them for?

vosko

iTrader: (4)

oh yeah i've also run my TII at www.virclub.com for MADS....... dual purpose is a wonderful thing i choose to race legally not mountains and wreck my car and possible harm other people

Node

iTrader: (1)

then get more sleep

momar

I love driving the twisties, and drifting. I'm only gonna go to the drags once for a run, just to have a quarter mile time, as thats about all people ask for around here.

Saw this on BMW poster: Happines is not around the corner. Happiness is the corner.

RarestRX

Yo,



UniqueTII: Here's the scoop: You said my analogy (RX-7's are biased towards handling, and not ideally suited for drag racing) sucks. Guess what? It doesn't suck. RX-7's /are/ biased towards handling. There's a reason why your engine is pushed back past your front suspension. Yes, the famed RX-7 50/50 weight distribution. Why did they do this? To make a balanced platform for /handling/.

Again, if my analogy is so flawed, can I lump TII's into the same ranks as Grand Nationals, Z-06's, and Z-28's? At 13.7X and 14.1X? Um, no.

The fact that I'm even having to argue that RX-7's are biased towards handling vs. drag racing is beyond me.

This isn't a Turbo vs. NA debate either, I don't give a crap about that. It's about if what I said "sucks" or is wrong/incorrect.

Trying to drag race an RX-7 is like:

Using a sniper rifle for knocking down stone walls.

I still stand by that. RX-7's are about handling finesse, not the brute strength of drag racing. Yes, of course you can drag race the turbo ones, but that is not their greatest strength. Handling is. Either you "get" that, or you don't.

KS
1989 GTUs "It's pretty clear to me."

Felix Wankel

Handling finesse on the left, brute force on the right

UniqueTII

Can you knock down a stone wall with a sniper rifle? Hypothetically yes, but probably not.

Can you drag race with an RX-7. Yes, quite well.

Your analogy still sucks.

RarestRX

Yo,


Okaaay...definitely putting you in the "Don't get it" file.

KS
1989 GTUs "Stay in school."

UniqueTII

An analogy, according to dictionary.com, is "Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar." The things that you are comparing are an RX-7 and a sniper rifle, and a drag strip and a stone wall, using the connection: An RX-7 is to a drag strip as a sniper rifle is to a stone wall. As I previously stated, an RX-7 is much more capable of handling the task of a drag strip than a sniper rifle is capable of taking down a stone wall. I really can't make this any simpler.

I never said RX-7s weren't designed for handling, either. I said that people can use them for both road courses and drag strips. Reading is fundamental.


EDIT: I just need to add one more time that your analogy was the part about the stone wall, not about RX-7s being setup for handling. You have missed that a few times so far, so I want you to get it this time. Go ask an English teacher what an analogy is if you still don't get it. "Stay in school"...lol...practice what you preach.

ZenFox

speak scientist/noo

No... What he's saying is that a sniper rifle CAN be used to shoot down a brick wall, in fact rather effectively, depending on caliber (a .50 BMG or .440 Corbon should do the trick nicely), but that is not it's primary function by design and hence does not perform as well as say.. a cannon. On the other hand, he is saying that the RX-7 can be used on the drag strip, in fact rather effectively, but that dragging is NOT it's primary function and hence does not perform as well as other cars that have been engineered for straight line only. Makes sense to me... Obviously, he exaggerated a bit, but most analogies do that and his over all message, that being that RX-7s are geared towards handling, is correct.

So :P Now stop th' flamin'.. :P

-ZenFox

UniqueTII

I think a better analogy would be "It's like using a sniper rifle to shoot someone point blank" because that would show that the ability of finesse is going to waste in place of brute force. To me, and probably to most people who don't study guns, his analogy didn't get this point across. Of course, that's the risk with anything you write, so it's all good.
Thanks for posting ZenFox.

RarestRX

Yo,


Unique, you've almost got it.

I'll still stick with the stone wall part because I want to show that there is something else out there that is better at knocking them down: a cannon.

This goes back to the finesse vs. brute force thing.

It's a matter of function.

I also understand what you're saying about the exageration, that Turbo RX-7's aren't THAT bad about knocking down walls like a sniper rifle, but that's the nature of analogies. Or at least mine. *grin*

I'll try and come up with a clearer one:

Drag racing an RX-7 is like using a scalpel to split wood.

Does that work? An ax would be better. Although you can split wood with a scalpel, it's not what it was designed for.

Bah, it's late. I'm done.

KS
1989 GTUs "Carving up turns like a Thanksgiving Turkey."

Rotary Dawg

I am so glad that everyone (well, almost) love the twisties...coz back home nobody drag races, and I find it quite weird that ppl here care so much about 1/4 mile times and such...not that I don't care about the speed, but I just care a little bit more about handling.

fast13b

Isn't it funny how most of the **** talking is coming from those who have the most to learn...

Are you aware that all of the REALLY fast rotary dragsters use FORD 9" REAR ENDS??? Yes an RX7 CAN be a fast drag racer, but it is not the best tool for the job. It is a sports car.

Next time I go to the batting cages I'm gonna take a popsicle stick. Maybe the dept. of forestry should equip their fire fighters with super soakers...

~Jeremy
the "I've spun off turn 9 at Willowsprings" club

BadBoy

just save up and buy one for each then they can back eachother up in their specialty...

fast13b

BTW the first time I took mine drag racing I dusted the clutch bearings.

Oh yeah, its over 400 hp... If your 7 hasn't broken yet then you drive like a gramma.

Mine will want to drift in a straight line with 9" rims on the back. Makes turning interesting.

I think next time I want to get drunk I'm gonna drink Coors Light!

Gefunk

Aight, since I am an N/a lover than yeah I guess I am gonna have to side with RarestRx. And to make this even easier, I have wasted a S5 Turbo in a drift match with my S5 GXL with only intake and exaust. Ok here is the problem, the guy and I talked afterward and we both came to a decission. The turbo only has four ports where my N/a has 6....and if you ever drifted much you know you keep the car up there where the 6 ports hit almost all the time.....well maybe braking into the corner. While Turbo's are nice on the straitaway they also act like a double edge sword. Your coexisting N/a motor has been severely detuned to accomidate the turbos so in theory if you aren't evey using the turbos than you are seriously screwed cause you are merely running on a detuned motor. Sure you might have the exit of a corner but what if you aren't all that good. I have been driving since I was 14 with a 1st gen in my father's sand pit and I am 18 now so you do the math....hmmmm I have been drifting for 4 years. Well I can exit a corner fast, well not mind numbing fast but fast, and upon the exit I can open up the car and wam!!!My 6 ports are there at the same time as your turbo and you will leave earlier but I will keep up. It really is quite an easy concept to come about on. And the main reason for me choosing an N/a is that I don't have much headace with it, besides the oubvious reasons , so this allows me to knab some pretty cool stuff like suspension, sway bars, and other cool stiffies. If I wanted to drag I would get a 4WD car or something wit mad power like a grand national or a sunbird? hmmm....was that what they were called? OH well there is my 02 sense.

GETAWAY

im into BOTH

jarrod

both forms of racing can be fun I am sure.
I have played with my 7 on some rural roads
and have drag raced it too...
The IRS is not well suited for high HP drag racing
applications thus the earlier post about
the 9" ford rear end.

I enjoy my RX-7 for what it is....
if you want to play it can serve both purposes
very well
unlike my blown 5.0 wich is not set up
to play in the twisties..
I find myself enjoying the RX-7 more and more

ZenFox

Well, duh. But then again, how many RX-7s are considered to be "REALLY fast rotary dragsters"? I'm willing to bet far less than are considered to be a handling god.

But, what am I arguing about? The results of the poll speak for itself.

vosko

iTrader: (4)

PFS FD ran 9.99 on stock drivetrain, rear, tranny etc

87turbo2

hmmmmm......what are these twisties you speak of????
land here very flat........sucks big one

my2cents:
if by stoplight to stoplight...then drag racing it IS; not enough $$$ to make a 7 compete that well with alot of cars ( lot of domestics run here )
cornering is where it's at though!!!!! 49.2/50.8 weight ratio...hello!!!!!!!!!

fast13b

I'l have to agree that the 2'nd gen n/a is better suited for drifting because the powerband is so smooth. I've owned both, I've drifted both, and I've spun both. The TII is better suited for spinning and crashing... About the "in Japan" thing though, the twin turbos on the FD's basically have as smooth of a powerband as an n/a, so they are great for it...

MtnRacer

Lol, RX-7: Drag car or road racing machine? Here's my opinion. ANY car can be a drag car, you just drop a few thousand under the hood(new engine, bigger turbo, what have you) and it will go fast. ONLY a select few cars are blessed with the stiff chassis, 50/50 weight ratio, and the dozens of other performance traits that our cars have been blessed with thanks to the superiority of Mazda race engineering. In the end, it's your car, do what you like with it. Sure, I cry when I see an RX-7 with a V8 in it, or NOS, or something else drag related, but I smile when I see the owner having just as much fun as I do on the track or in the mountains.

Steve

P.S. Please no bitching if you have a V8 in your rex and you DO autocross, and you still have your 50/50 weight ratio, yada yada yada, I recognize this fact and more power to you(literally )

fast13b

Well said MtnRacer.

I drag, autoX, and road race in my car and I have fun at all of them. Do what makes you happy.

Regardless, the PURPOSE of the RX7 being built was for twisties, not straight lines.

~J