FC3AZ

Ok here is the situation on my new project car. I have a problem with the title. I need to know some options that I can take. The person that gave me this car, for free, has the title. He has not changed it over to his name, from the previous owner yet. Now, I know all will be fine and dandy if he transfers it to him, then to me. BUT........ I need to know the "what if" of the situation. What if he fails to get the title to me? What are my options in getting a title for this car? I heard of something called a bond title. Is this an option? I need your guys' help, please!

Taranis

It depends whether or not you have a bill of sale from him. If you have that, which says that x amount of dollars was paid by you to him for that specific vehicle, then you could either force him to sign the title in court or get a replacement. It all depends on the Bill of Sale.

At least that's how it works up here.

- JB

Felix Wankel

Did the guy you got it from sign it? If not, do what is called an open title and forge the guys name on a bill of sale and bypass the person you got the car from. Cheaper and easier. Just do a good job matching the signatures. I do it all the time.

bkapold@aol.com

He is right, you can do that. If your "free" friend has the title but isn't signed by the previous owner, sign it in his name (previous owner) and take it down to transfer the title....Here in MN they frown on free cars, but it still can be done....DO NOT even involve the free friend or the DMV will start asking question you can't answer and it won't get tranfered.....Tell them as little as possible, like " I bought this car and I want to transfer it" thats it.

Brad Apold, LLLP

RX-7 at Law

Cwaters

Somehow forgery seems like bad advice...

If the guy who gave you the car won't get you the title, you have to get him to at lease sign a receipt stating that it's YOUR car. But I would call your state's title office (or whatever) and see what they require for issuing a new title.

Cory

Sundevil

Good Luck, I know of someone who gets by with this weekly. Bad for me. AZ is still kind of backwards. See MVD. You can get by with it.

RETed

If you CAN get the title relatively easily, DO IT.

If you can't, the fastest and easiest procedure is to fake the previous owners signature.&nbsp The DMV doesn't check for forgeries, and I doubt the previous owner cares (especially if they gave the car to you for free).

I know this is not the most kosher way of taking care of business, but we've run into some pretty iffy situations where faking the PO signature was the only way to get the car "legal" again in the state's eyes.



-Ted

FC3AZ

problem is.........I cant get ahold of the title..........so.........do they give me a seperate piece of paper to get signed by him?

drake696

all u have to do is to go to the person that had the car and is still registered under his name and tell him u need registration papers from him he will have to go to icbc if he doesn't have them and get them for u then tell him to transfer it to ur name and wala thats all u need I have the exact same problem as u

RETed

Go down to the DMV and get a duplicate title made...


-Ted

FC3AZ

how would I go about doing that RETed? Just take the VIN, and tell them "I need another title printed" ???

RETed

It might be slightly different for your area, but check with the DMV about details...

If they balk you're not the original owner, just tell them you're buying the original owners vehicle, and they lost the original title.&nbsp They should've give you too much hassles after that.



-Ted

FC3AZ

thanks bro, that helps a lot. I just want the freakin title, cause I want this thing to be street driven.

execelon1

you may have to take this person to court if they wont give you the title. first stop investing any more $$$ or time in it till you can acquire true ownership. to do this first get a bill of sale from the person you got the vehicle from, if you cant do this have a witness that can substaniate where you obtained the car from. (you will need this person later. find out who the person is that sold the car to the person you got if from and see if he still owes him anything for it, and advise him that this person sold you the car and if he is still holding the title you would like to know what you have to do to get it. the person who hold the title still has LEGAL ownership of the vehicle and if they want they can file a claim and delivery and legally take the vehicle from you! any monies that you have invested in the vehicle will be your loss, and the only recourse is to sue the person you got the car from . dont want to rain too much on your parade, sooo if you really dont have the car in your posession and they cant find it ( if it comes to that ) you may be able to buy enough time to get the one who GAVE you the car to get things set sraight , and i'm sure after that you will be able to locate the car, no matter where it has been hiding. Be sure to take notes on every contact you make concerning this matter they will be very useful if you go to court. good luck. PEACE . ex...

Morbius

I had a similar situation on my car also. The person I bought it off of didnt get it transfered to their name but had the bill of sale to them. I paid for his taxes and included a self addressed envelope when I sent in the forged title to him. They sent me the title in his name back to me . I then paid the taxes for me and forged his name again back into my name. So twice the taxes and boom its in my name free and clear. The guy gave me permission though to put his name on it as long as he didnt have to pay anything.

-Morbius

Tom93R1

iTrader: (2)

Here is how I resolved the exact same problem in Colorado. I bought my REPU from this guy B. B bought it from person A but never had it registered in his name. He did have a bill of sale from A which was never written to anybody, just signed by A. He also gave me the title, which now that I think about it wasn't even in A's name, it was in pre-A's name but signed to A. I went to the DMV and picked up a couple power of attourney forms to be signed by A (forged by me?). I needed one to have a new title with A's name on it sent to my address instead of A's address. I needed the second one stating that A gives me permission to sign the new title over to myself. I would guess that there is a similar procedure in AZ for this type of thing, but it would require you to have a copy of the title.

Another option I know exists in AZ is to get what is called a bonded title. Basically you have to pay a bond fee of 2X the value of the car and they give you a title. The purpose of the bond is for the case that the car is found out to be stolen. The bond fee goes to the rightful owner to pay for the car.

FC3AZ

hmmmm...........I wonder what this POS is worth?

FC3AZ

what do you guys think would be the easiest route, if i cant get the original title??

BoostedRotors

I say forge the name thats on the title onto the bill of sale...quick simple and on your way!

FC3AZ

sorry i know so little, but is there an official bill of sale? and IF i do this, will they print me a new title?

BoostedRotors

theres no universal bill of sale, if thats what you mean. they are all pretty much the same though

FC3AZ

I am talkin like, is it just a piece of paper from the computer printer, or is there a form? I use that computer printer paper as an example.......

BoostedRotors

you can write it on a napkin if you like!

FC3AZ

BAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAH thank you for the help, by the way. its greatly appreciated.

FC3AZ

oh yea, what would I write on this paper???? I am so clueless.......sorry for being an annoyance.