No interest in Camden's SC kit?
#28
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
Did that TII have A/C and all emissions? Full interior? Audio system? Power windows? Mine is 2670 with me and 10 gallons of gas.
No emissions.
No interior.
No audio system.
Yes, it had power windows.
It also has power steering.
With everything put back in and driver, it should be within 100 - 150 lbs. if your weight.
My point is that I dunno why some people think a (Kouki) FC turbo is a pig.
Unless you think 100 - 200 lbs. a significant weight difference on an almost 3000 lbs. chassis, we're talking a 3% to 7% weight difference.
I don't call that a significant difference in weight.
So please, get off your high horse about your NA being so light...
-Ted
#29
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I'd like to see what that kit could do with a real blower on it (Lysholm screw type). That might actually give the performance to merit the cost (assuming it was still 4K, which it wouldn't be with a Lysholm).
edit: And once again, 88IntegraLS shows he knows his stuff. Rarely do I hear it properly referred to as "aftercooled".
edit: And once again, 88IntegraLS shows he knows his stuff. Rarely do I hear it properly referred to as "aftercooled".
#30
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Originally Posted by jacobcartmill
i'm just saying 2510 sounds awfully liberal. i mean, i have ALL of my a/c and powersteering removed, spare removed, AL hood, (mine actually started as an NA but now has full TII drivetrain) but i dont see my car weighing anywhere near 2510.
So I can't get a pic of that particular car on the scales.
edit: also, all the ac and ps stuff weighs ALOT. also the steel spare weighs alot.. i wonder how much weight i've removed?
PS is still installed - no excuse about it wasn't installed.
ALL Turbo II ran the aluminum spare, and with the tire the combo weighed around 30#.
That **** isn't that heavy.
I have most of those weights posted on my website.
Full interior and carpet cannot be more than 50# - 60#, unless you soaked the carpet with liquid prior to removal.
Sound deadening was not removed.
Exhaust is probably the most heaviest thing, but you're telling me you guys are running the original, stock exhaust system???
-Ted
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
Big V8s make more power off of SC kits because SCs run directly off the engine and generally the more power it provides to the pulley, the more power the SC provides to the engine.
A big V8 makes more power on equivelant boost (or less boost) because it's a BIG ENGINE. It simply has more displacement with which to work.
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I wonder how much my car weighs, here are the details of weight addition/removal:
-88 SE model-
-Removed all A/C
-Removed P/S
-Removed front bumper support
-Removed spare/jack
-Removed stock seats (replaced w/ 14lb Corbeau forzas)
-Removed air pump and ALL emissions
-Replaced stock exhaust w/ HKS downpipe, Apexi dual N1, custom racepipe
-Replaced stock flywheel w/ RB aluminum
-Added S4 TII motor w/ stock turbo
-Added GReddy FMIC
-Added mazdaspeed replica front lip
-Added S4 sport model rear spoiler
-Added Kamanari side skirts
-Added front/rear strut braces
-Added 17X7.5 rims w/ 215/45 front, 235/45 rear
I still have the four bolt hubs, NA tranny/rear and the SE model crank windows. I have the power sunroof as well...
Any ideas? The the 2400's would be nice hehe All I can say is the car is an ANIMAL @ 11psi w/ the walbro and rtek V1.5 on the stock turbo w/ ported wastegate.
-88 SE model-
-Removed all A/C
-Removed P/S
-Removed front bumper support
-Removed spare/jack
-Removed stock seats (replaced w/ 14lb Corbeau forzas)
-Removed air pump and ALL emissions
-Replaced stock exhaust w/ HKS downpipe, Apexi dual N1, custom racepipe
-Replaced stock flywheel w/ RB aluminum
-Added S4 TII motor w/ stock turbo
-Added GReddy FMIC
-Added mazdaspeed replica front lip
-Added S4 sport model rear spoiler
-Added Kamanari side skirts
-Added front/rear strut braces
-Added 17X7.5 rims w/ 215/45 front, 235/45 rear
I still have the four bolt hubs, NA tranny/rear and the SE model crank windows. I have the power sunroof as well...
Any ideas? The the 2400's would be nice hehe All I can say is the car is an ANIMAL @ 11psi w/ the walbro and rtek V1.5 on the stock turbo w/ ported wastegate.
#33
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I would really like to see one of these SC kits with the webber style TB's like codeblue or codeblue2 has on their SC set-up, and add a intercooler to the mix, I think that could ofer a decent power gain over thier "stock"(couldn't think of a better word) kit.
Actually I just rememberd seeing a nifty water to air intercooler that was used in a miata SC kit, that would definatly be better than just running the SC into the engine.
Actually I just rememberd seeing a nifty water to air intercooler that was used in a miata SC kit, that would definatly be better than just running the SC into the engine.
#34
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Not sure what you mean here...Most every supercharger (besides a turbosupercharger and a few of the legitimate electric units) run off of the engine.
A big V8 makes more power on equivelant boost (or less boost) because it's a BIG ENGINE. It simply has more displacement with which to work.
A big V8 makes more power on equivelant boost (or less boost) because it's a BIG ENGINE. It simply has more displacement with which to work.
#35
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS
Remember kids, roots blowers w/o aftercooling don't get anywhere near their power potential. The camden kit has no aftercooling.
#36
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Originally Posted by RETed
So please, get off your high horse about your NA being so light...
-Ted
-Ted
#37
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
I haven't seen many roots-type superchargers aftercooled, mainly because it's damn near impossible to work it into the system. Centrifugal superchargers are the ones that benefit more from aftercooling.
Here are a couple of reference shots of my aftercooler setup on my other car (~400 HP Pontiac GTP). It really wouldn't be hard to fab up on an RX7, as you're already doing custom fabbing anyway. If you seriously wanted one, let me know, and I can give you some help.
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
When was I on it? You said your TII weighed as little as it did, and I wanted to know why. Jesus, you just want to argue or something? Are you that bored?
Post #8...
Besides, it's a lot lighter than a TII.
That's why I told you to get off your high horse, cause you have this misconception that your car is significantly lighter than a TII, which it is not.
I don't consider something that is not even 10% lighter to be a "lot lighter".
-Ted
#41
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This thread is so stupid.
And snub, I agree with Ted, you were the one bringing up the fact that your n/a was "a lot lighter" and he was just trying to show you how you were overexagerating. You seem to be getting way to bent out of shape about this crap. It's your money, your car, your decision, so why ******* care if other people thing you're stupid or you shouldn't do it? Do whatever the **** you want...
And snub, I agree with Ted, you were the one bringing up the fact that your n/a was "a lot lighter" and he was just trying to show you how you were overexagerating. You seem to be getting way to bent out of shape about this crap. It's your money, your car, your decision, so why ******* care if other people thing you're stupid or you shouldn't do it? Do whatever the **** you want...
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there is another way......
A SC is a great way to overspend on power on an old car, for $4000 you could BUY a whole turbo car then sell your NA and buy enough goodies to kill anything on the street.
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Originally Posted by digitalsolo
I'd like to see what that kit could do with a real blower on it (Lysholm screw type).
If Aaron Cake didn't break his na driveline with his turbo project, that's good news.
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If ur talking 300 bhp on stock ports, theoretically it would take two atmospheres (15 psi) of pressure at 0 intake temp rise to double the bhp of a stock S4 NA (150). If ur talking a good streetport making 200 bhp, then it should only take 1.5 atmospheres (7.5psi) assuming no temp rise. However, even with aftercooling there will be a few tens of degrees of intake temp rise, which dampens the boost effect so I'd bank on 9 psi on a well ported / exhausted NA if ur going to use some form of aftercooling. If no aftercooling will be used, be prepared to be as underwhelmed with ur power output as the buyers of certain $4k blower kits may soon become . .
As far as the whipple (my avatar) you can run a large fmic and get the charge density much higher than if u were using just a blower shoving hot air into an intake manifold, bwahaha.
As far as the whipple (my avatar) you can run a large fmic and get the charge density much higher than if u were using just a blower shoving hot air into an intake manifold, bwahaha.
#48
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
Are you using braided lines with AN fittings for your IC plumbing?
Oh, and 88, don't forget, the ouput temperatures on the screw blowers will run massively cooler per given boost compared to a roots. Adiabatic efficiencies run massively higher across the board, and rival/exceed turbos when lag is factored in. Screwchargers rock. My uncle and I were discussing thier merits on his motorcycle (yes, on his motorcyle).
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Oops I forgot the effects of compression ratio rise when inserting compressed air into an engine. Boost causes the effective compression ratio to rise and creates more efficient combustion, so I'll change my psi estimate to 8 psi with aftercooling on a good street ported NA engine with header, etc. if u want 300bhp, aka the power that TII ownerz get from maxing their stock compressor . .
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
Which is what I'll be doing if this M90 doesn't get me to 300hp. Whipple 2300AX. That should take care of it.
-Ted