NEED HELP PLEASE!!!! fc with fd motor
08-23-07, 04:16 PM
#27
I would say it does, as people get older they tend to be more open to learning from the experiences of others rather than damning the torpedos and getting in over thier heads (or credit limit).......which brings me to my next point, ones income, resources, tool collection, and credit limit tend to be directly proportional to thier age. I'm 30 and we have a little inside joke of looking at the guys at the track who are in thier 50s or 60s and have these enormous money pits. We smile shake our heads and say "old dudes with money"..... it is not in any way meant in a condescending maner....delightfully envious and admiring if anything of thier position in life and seeing them have what they have spend decades working for....
08-23-07, 04:45 PM
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younger people want a fast car, that is cooler than the rest and they don't care about spending the money because at that point in everyone's lives we don't care about whether or not we're going to be living with mom and dad till we're in our early 30's. I was there and I stupidly wasted 9K on a TII and I regret it now. WE all do stupid **** to attract attention and eventually SOME of us grow out of it.
When you leave mommy and daddy's house and go out into the real world you realize you have a lot of **** to pay for and take care of BEFORE you can go blow 5K in a car. You tend to listen when others say: "naw, it's a waste of resources and money" because you tend to want to make money last longer and do more for you. As we age we grow out of the "attention *****" phase and settle into the I want to buy a house/I need a garage of my own/I want to finish school/ I want to start a family/I need a career phase and you begin budgeting your build according to your plans and you LISTEN to others input and ideas because you assume they have been there and done that.
Once you get old, have your home, your kids are grown, and you have more free time and hopefully extra money from working all those years, you tend to say: ok, over tha past X amount of years I've done this and this and now I have a lil more time and money and i want to do this:_________________. These people have it right. DO what you NEED to do in the beginning and when you are done DO what you WANT to do. THey have gathered a large number of tools and knowledge and now they have the time and resources.
With that said: If you want a 13B-REW FC3C then go ahead and do it, it's your money and time but at least you got an honest answer from some of us.
I would much rather waste my $$ building a franken motor that will put out as much power OR MORE than a 13B-rew than use that money JUST so I can say I have a 3rd gen motor in my FC and sound cool. The motors look the same, perform almost the same (obvious differences make the REW more efficient but all these things can be worked out in a 13BT or franken-motor.) DO you want to say I have 2 turbos? then make a custom manifold and slap two turbo's on the 13BT. I've seen it done. It all depends on what you want and why.
Bragging rights?
Uniqueness?
why do you want a 13B-REW in your Vert? I don't get what is intriguing about these motors that makes all the noobs want to put it into their NA's.
I don't think I've ever seen a TII guy say: "i want an FD motor in my car."
younger people want a fast car, that is cooler than the rest and they don't care about spending the money because at that point in everyone's lives we don't care about whether or not we're going to be living with mom and dad till we're in our early 30's. I was there and I stupidly wasted 9K on a TII and I regret it now. WE all do stupid **** to attract attention and eventually SOME of us grow out of it.
When you leave mommy and daddy's house and go out into the real world you realize you have a lot of **** to pay for and take care of BEFORE you can go blow 5K in a car. You tend to listen when others say: "naw, it's a waste of resources and money" because you tend to want to make money last longer and do more for you. As we age we grow out of the "attention *****" phase and settle into the I want to buy a house/I need a garage of my own/I want to finish school/ I want to start a family/I need a career phase and you begin budgeting your build according to your plans and you LISTEN to others input and ideas because you assume they have been there and done that.
Once you get old, have your home, your kids are grown, and you have more free time and hopefully extra money from working all those years, you tend to say: ok, over tha past X amount of years I've done this and this and now I have a lil more time and money and i want to do this:_________________. These people have it right. DO what you NEED to do in the beginning and when you are done DO what you WANT to do. THey have gathered a large number of tools and knowledge and now they have the time and resources.
With that said: If you want a 13B-REW FC3C then go ahead and do it, it's your money and time but at least you got an honest answer from some of us.
I would much rather waste my $$ building a franken motor that will put out as much power OR MORE than a 13B-rew than use that money JUST so I can say I have a 3rd gen motor in my FC and sound cool. The motors look the same, perform almost the same (obvious differences make the REW more efficient but all these things can be worked out in a 13BT or franken-motor.) DO you want to say I have 2 turbos? then make a custom manifold and slap two turbo's on the 13BT. I've seen it done. It all depends on what you want and why.
Bragging rights?
Uniqueness?
why do you want a 13B-REW in your Vert? I don't get what is intriguing about these motors that makes all the noobs want to put it into their NA's.
I don't think I've ever seen a TII guy say: "i want an FD motor in my car."
Last edited by phoenix7; 08-23-07 at 04:54 PM.
08-23-07, 05:12 PM
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I am more of a sleeper guy. I want my car to look line an NA and be as quiet as possible so everyone ignores me. I like the track because you can get your blood/adrenaline pumping without the added dangers of other drivers, bad streets, fines, impounds ec., etc. PLUS you get to record this, send it to mazda and get an awesome discount on OEM and competition parts. I still would like to understand why most of the newer members are all crazy about the 13B-REW.
I can be a dick and assume that it's because they WANT an FD but can't afford it so they settle for an FC and want to compromise by doing this swap but I know it doesn't apply to everyone.
08-23-07, 05:19 PM
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To me i dont get it, its the same damn engine for all practical purposes. The guys who really set up thier FDs for all around reliability and performance go single turbo anyway so.... why not eliminate one more thing you have to re-engineer (namely motor mounts)....
Pineapple will take any S5 or S4 block and do all the reliability upgrades that were made to the third gen plus some that were not for like 300 bucks when its part of a rebuild......all this stuff has been figured out....
Pineapple will take any S5 or S4 block and do all the reliability upgrades that were made to the third gen plus some that were not for like 300 bucks when its part of a rebuild......all this stuff has been figured out....
08-23-07, 05:37 PM
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I really have never gotten a straight answer on this. It might have been because I'm too blunt about some crap and i rub people the wrong way but I never got to understand THEIR logic. It doesn't make sense to me but maybe they know something I don't.
08-23-07, 06:14 PM
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I can understand where the OP gets the idea from, since he has the motor already. The reason why I'm going to do it is because I got a deal on one, and am not planning to do all the other crap that goes along with a normal 13brew swap, like harness, seq. turbos and the sort. I do kinda wonder about the people that want to tackle something like that though.
08-23-07, 08:19 PM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Rocklobster + Phoenix + Titaniumtt = 90 yrs worth of "life" and expierneces and mistakes. 18 yo's crack me up, they really do. The whole rice thing, the whole drift thing, the whole neon thing, it's all to get attention and that's fine by me, keeps the popo away from me and my de-badged except the police badge on the back single color FC. I'm spending a ridiculous amount on my little project but I've also been waiting and plannung and building and SAVING (I laughed my *** off when I read RockLobsters line about credit) for years now. I have a career, a house, a wonderful supporting wife and a bank account specifically for toys. I say let the little ones have at it, get in over thier head and realize what they've done. Some lessons are best learned the hard way. Because of my backround and my career I tried to convince some kid here that he couldn't afford an FD. I showed him how over the course of 5 years it would cost him over $60,000 to have a toy. He didn't listen. I got bashed and flamed. I think he gave up looking, I'm assuming it was directly following a mtg with a loan officer. I think people get so wrapped up in these things they forget what they are now - toys. Nothing more nothing less. Be them show toys, street toys, or track toys they are just that, toys. People shouldn't be in bad debt and buying toys but they do. Oh well look at the bright side guys, it means cheap parts for us
08-23-07, 10:07 PM
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Is it just me?
I didn't see anything about anyone calling you stupid or "rediculous"[sic].
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08-24-07, 09:21 AM
#38
But make no mistake, learning costs tuition, tuition comes in many forms. In the toy car and truck worlds tuition comes in the form of having to do things two and three times to get something to work right if you are doing them without listening to others previus experiences. And when you tackle a project like putting and REW in an FC chassis there is a lot to figure out. Thus LOTS of tuition...
If you are involved in track stuff tuition CAN come in the form of being burried in a tire wall or two, as you learn. I personally havnt wrecked a car on the track but ive seen plenty of them... Hopefully that is all it is...because there can certainly be other NON-monitary tuition costs when you make a mistake at 120....
Regardless of if you quit school in 10th grade we all pay tuition throughout our lives...... some more than others, but that is a whole different topic...
08-29-07, 03:09 AM
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alright guys lol sry i havent been on in a while. i just read everything; only god knows why hahahaha. but the reason im doing this is because im working with what i got. i got $6,300 from insurence when my FD was considered totaled. thats how i have the motor and everything. and i just so happened to buy a vert because 2 of my best friends (early-mid 20's) convenced me how they are beter 
. dont get me wrong 2nd gens have there own sexiness to them too. and i plan on owning a 3rd gen again one day but i know i dont have the money for it as of now. i spent whatever i made fixing it before hahahahahahaha. but i thought what i was doing was the mature thing to do by using what i got?
. dont get me wrong 2nd gens have there own sexiness to them too. and i plan on owning a 3rd gen again one day but i know i dont have the money for it as of now. i spent whatever i made fixing it before hahahahahahaha. but i thought what i was doing was the mature thing to do by using what i got?
08-29-07, 08:33 AM
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I say go ahead. If you have the patience to do it properly, why not.
Searching around here for just a few minutes will net you everything you need to know about the swap. Which in my eyes makes it fairly simple. Just get EVERYTHING you need before even starting. This saved me a ton of time when I did my TII swap.
Searching around here for just a few minutes will net you everything you need to know about the swap. Which in my eyes makes it fairly simple. Just get EVERYTHING you need before even starting. This saved me a ton of time when I did my TII swap.
08-29-07, 09:09 AM
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i think its a good idea i mean for the price you could do a t2 and spend less money hell you could sell the fd engine and trans to someone for more than you could buy a t2 for but its cool its your choice have tyou looked into the megasquirt though for a standalone it controls more than the haltec and also cheaper just a thought
08-29-07, 10:54 AM
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People will knock on others all the time, but you should go ahead and attempt the swap if you wish to. Just remember everything attached to that motor will need modifications. Plumbing for fuel, exhaust, oil cooler(s), radiator, intercooler. You will have to go front mount or something other than top mount since you are using your stock vert hood. You will need to worry about the transmission if you decide to use the one from your FD. You will need to custom mount your motor and trans. You don't have a bolt in swap here. If you use the FD trans, you will need a custom drive shaft as mentioned and then your speedo won't work. FC is mechanical (gear driven) and FD is electrical (sensor).
As for the question of why do all the new guys like the 13-REW, I see two reasons why. Lighter, higher compression rotors and bigger intake ports on the cast irons. Everything else in the motor is just about the same as the next series motor.
You could swap in your FD ecu to the vert also, but you need all the matching sensors and wiring, which you already have. No reason that you HAVE TO go for an aftermarket ecu.
Be creative and enjoy this opportunity to turbo the vert!!!
As for the question of why do all the new guys like the 13-REW, I see two reasons why. Lighter, higher compression rotors and bigger intake ports on the cast irons. Everything else in the motor is just about the same as the next series motor.
You could swap in your FD ecu to the vert also, but you need all the matching sensors and wiring, which you already have. No reason that you HAVE TO go for an aftermarket ecu.
Be creative and enjoy this opportunity to turbo the vert!!!
08-29-07, 11:28 AM
#46
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the FC didn't have a starring roll in F&F
the FD is more JDM
(actual reason given)It's newer and therefore better and swaps just as easy
(actual reason given)I don't think n00bs know about lighter higher compression rotors......... This is of course assuming you are referring to the difference between the S4 and the S6 because the S5-6 are the same weight/compression
08-29-07, 03:59 PM
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I disagree - I think it's becuase
the FC didn't have a starring roll in F&F
the FD is more JDM (actual reason given)
It's newer and therefore better and swaps just as easy (actual reason given)
I don't think n00bs know about lighter higher compression rotors......... This is of course assuming you are referring to the difference between the S4 and the S6 because the S5-6 are the same weight/compression
the FC didn't have a starring roll in F&F
the FD is more JDM
(actual reason given)It's newer and therefore better and swaps just as easy
(actual reason given)I don't think n00bs know about lighter higher compression rotors......... This is of course assuming you are referring to the difference between the S4 and the S6 because the S5-6 are the same weight/compression
I do think that "newer" does have a part to do with the reasoning for wanting to swap the 13b-REW motors in. The motors came from a newer car with higher stock HP and it has twin turbos. Compare that to a stock HP and tiny single s4 swap. What sounds better *at first*?
I have been asked so many times by people when I say I'm upgrading my turbo.... "so are you going to put twins or a single?" Generally speaking (very general), people have this image of what the rotary world is about. They just have to learn what it really is
08-29-07, 04:36 PM
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"invested hours in the FAQ's sectioins AND SEARCHES????" what forum are YOU from???? I'm with titanium on this one. People fall in love with the FD for it's styling and then for it's speed. They want one right away but can't find then CHEAP enough so they esttle for an FC. Those that CAN afford them go TII and leave it at that but the "tuner crowd" that cannot afford a TII goes with the NA and THEN they ask about the 13B-REW as a swap. It's difficult because of all the things we mentioned (mounts, wiring, sensors etc., etc.) but it's not impossible when you have the time and money (which most of the noobs don't have otherwise they would have bought an FD to begin with.)
this doesn't seem to apply to the OP anymore though.
08-29-07, 06:05 PM
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i think its a good idea i mean for the price you could do a t2 and spend less money hell you could sell the fd engine and trans to someone for more than you could buy a t2 for but its cool its your choice have tyou looked into the megasquirt though for a standalone it controls more than the haltec and also cheaper just a thought
No, S5 and S6 are same housings outside of casting spark plug hole castings. S4 is a bit weaker. You are thinking about the rear iron and this is a misconception as some S5 Remans started coming with the same dowel reinforcement as S6. So strength wise is never yes and never no.
08-29-07, 09:52 PM
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Also you will need to fab up a oil pan to fit with the FC crossmemeber.
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