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11-09-10, 01:50 PM
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Need everyone's advice for this
So on 10/26/2010. I bought this S5 N/A from this guy 2 hours away from me. I got to his house and he showed me his car, he started it, no smoke and stuff. He took me to a run. The car was good, no problem was found. So i put down half payment and tell him I will come back 2 days later.
On 10/28/2010. I went back and paid the other half and got the title, bill of sale and stuff. I drove his car home but on my way home, the coolant light went on, so i was like oh, there's no coolant in the car. So I went to auto zone and bought a bottle, filled up the car before I hit parkway.
During my way home, all the warning light went on and the volt gauge was on 16v. After I got home, I parked the car at my backyard and didnt start it for a day.
So 2 days later, when I started it, the headlights went off and since then, i wont be able to turn it back on. The next day's weather was cold so i tried to start the car and there was a smoke screen. I thought it was because of the weather so I leave it, the next day i started it, same problem.
So i haven't touched the car until day. it's a week of time. I started it, so much smoke came out. I also found an oil spot under the engine bay. after i shuted off the car, the smoke was still coming out.
I need everyone's opinions. I really think i should go back to the seller and return the car, because when he sold the car to me, he said there is NO PROBLEM, NO LEAK AT ALL. Thanks guys
On 10/28/2010. I went back and paid the other half and got the title, bill of sale and stuff. I drove his car home but on my way home, the coolant light went on, so i was like oh, there's no coolant in the car. So I went to auto zone and bought a bottle, filled up the car before I hit parkway.
During my way home, all the warning light went on and the volt gauge was on 16v. After I got home, I parked the car at my backyard and didnt start it for a day.
So 2 days later, when I started it, the headlights went off and since then, i wont be able to turn it back on. The next day's weather was cold so i tried to start the car and there was a smoke screen. I thought it was because of the weather so I leave it, the next day i started it, same problem.
So i haven't touched the car until day. it's a week of time. I started it, so much smoke came out. I also found an oil spot under the engine bay. after i shuted off the car, the smoke was still coming out.
I need everyone's opinions. I really think i should go back to the seller and return the car, because when he sold the car to me, he said there is NO PROBLEM, NO LEAK AT ALL. Thanks guys
11-09-10, 02:05 PM
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Sounds like he fucked you. I, myself, am more than honest when selling one of my car. I point out every minor detail. Not everyone is a good person. He should have told you that it clearly leaks fluids. Bring it back if possible is my suggestion. I'm sure you can find one in running or near running condition.
...unless you plan on t2 swapping.
...unless you plan on t2 swapping.
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11-09-10, 05:20 PM
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So on 10/26/2010. I bought this S5 N/A from this guy 2 hours away from me. I got to his house and he showed me his car, he started it, no smoke and stuff. He took me to a run. The car was good, no problem was found...
... I really think i should go back to the seller and return the car, because when he sold the car to me, he said there is NO PROBLEM, NO LEAK AT ALL. Thanks guys
... I really think i should go back to the seller and return the car, because when he sold the car to me, he said there is NO PROBLEM, NO LEAK AT ALL. Thanks guys
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11-09-10, 06:39 PM
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I prolly want my money back and give him back the car. I didnt even get to really drive the car around. I just let it sit in my backyard for the past week. And the alternator already has problem, the alternator belt is broken, the headlight went off and now there's this smoke problem. He prolly did something before I went there to pick up the car. And the most suspicious part is there was no coolant when I drove off the car.....
11-09-10, 06:48 PM
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Sure it doesn't smell sweet at all? That would explain the loss of coolant and the smoke
Clokker is right though, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the seller knew anything about the issues.
If you aren't satisfied maybe he will be very understanding and refund your money for the car, but I wouldn't have any expectations.
Clokker is right though, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the seller knew anything about the issues.
If you aren't satisfied maybe he will be very understanding and refund your money for the car, but I wouldn't have any expectations.
11-09-10, 06:58 PM
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Sounds like on your ride home u blew the alternator belt, overheated the shyt out of the motor & prob killed water seals. I'm no pro but I know when the belt goes all the warning lights go on & an overheated rotary continued to be driven can result in MAJOR damage......
11-09-10, 07:16 PM
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I hate to say it -but he is prob right.
11-09-10, 07:48 PM
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Yeah, well, good luck with that.
First of all, I can't even imagine how the seller could have disguised so many fatal problems the day you first saw the car. You saw the car start, did NOT see any smoke and went for a test drive. You stated yourself there were no warning signs.
You liked the car well enough to return two days later and purchase it.
Secondly, you state you got a bill of sale...I assume it's one of the generic boilerplate numbers easily downloaded from the net, ALL of which include a "sold as is" clause.
Presumably you signed this.
Having been personally involved in a small claims case involving a car sale (disclosure: I was the seller), I can tell you that the burden of proof lies entirely on your shoulders.
Basically, you (the aggrieved claimant) must prove that the seller knowingly misrepresented the goods...a somewhat difficult claim for you to make given that you had a two day waiting period to consider/investigate the sale.
"Buyer's remorse" is not an actionable claim.
I'd recommend you give up the idea that you're going to be magically rescued from this dilemma and start thinking about the outcome you desire and the best way to achieve it.
First of all, I can't even imagine how the seller could have disguised so many fatal problems the day you first saw the car. You saw the car start, did NOT see any smoke and went for a test drive. You stated yourself there were no warning signs.
You liked the car well enough to return two days later and purchase it.
Secondly, you state you got a bill of sale...I assume it's one of the generic boilerplate numbers easily downloaded from the net, ALL of which include a "sold as is" clause.
Presumably you signed this.
Having been personally involved in a small claims case involving a car sale (disclosure: I was the seller), I can tell you that the burden of proof lies entirely on your shoulders.
Basically, you (the aggrieved claimant) must prove that the seller knowingly misrepresented the goods...a somewhat difficult claim for you to make given that you had a two day waiting period to consider/investigate the sale.
"Buyer's remorse" is not an actionable claim.
I'd recommend you give up the idea that you're going to be magically rescued from this dilemma and start thinking about the outcome you desire and the best way to achieve it.
11-09-10, 08:12 PM
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if it is coolant seals and u don't do the work yourself and find a garage that actually knows how to work on a rotory. ur lookin at like a grand ez. couldn't tell u for sure noone around here would even know where to estimate a price. do it yourself o-ring kit possibly gaskets and w/e else u might need prolly 300+
11-09-10, 08:18 PM
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A lot more than $1,000 buddy. No point in just replacing the coolant seals, should do a master overhaul. You could have warped everything and could be junk. Also i would only trust a rotary specific shop. And even then i dont trust a lot of them. Good luck
11-09-10, 08:32 PM
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Forgive my skepticism, but the same guy who destroyed an engine in one day is now contemplating a full drivetrain swap?
Kudos on admitting culpability for the first disaster, now it's time to realistically evaluate your mechanical skills and the probability of success should you attempt this without help.
Kudos on admitting culpability for the first disaster, now it's time to realistically evaluate your mechanical skills and the probability of success should you attempt this without help.
11-09-10, 08:36 PM
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Oh boy, this has happened to me already, just like that. Get ready to learn **** really quick. If you want to keep that car start reading everything about the rotary engine. If you think you can rebuild it you should then first open the engine and see if it's even worth building. I'll tell you I spent about $1200, probably more to rebuild mine, and it took me about 4 or 5 freaking months, but I was able to rebuild it. It's a very satisfying feeling too.
But seriously, if you can give it back by all means do it, because you could buy something else.
But seriously, if you can give it back by all means do it, because you could buy something else.
11-09-10, 08:49 PM
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Quite obviously, the seller had no reservations on the condition of the engine if he started it up in front of you, and took you for a drive. If he wanted to screw you over, he would have made up some minor detail that would prevent the car from starting, such as, it needs this to start, or something.
You also said that he must have done something to the car. This is most likely not true, and is just you trying to make sense of the situation. I highly doubt that. You would have noticed the problem as soon as your started it to drive it home.
Something went wrong while it was in your possession. It's not fair, it sucks, but it's reality. It's up to the seller if he wants to work something out with you, but he's not really obligated to, and you shouldn't assume that he should be, either.
Also, should you try to pursue this further, as someone else mentioned, you did sign a bill of sale that most likely says "Sold as is". This will hold up in court.
None of that really matters at this point, seeing as you've admitted fault. I just felt like expressing myself.
My advice is to accept the cards you've been dealt, and get ready to get your hands dirty. There's mountains of help and support on these forums, and it will be a great learning experience. Judging by the questions you're asking, you know nothing about these cars to start with. If you approach a (most likely) blown engine by asking "How do I fix it?", start researching now.
Hit up the seller. He won't take the car back, but he might be your new friend in the rotary world, depending on how well he knows these cars.
Or you could dump the car off to one of us for cheap, and try to get some of your money back.
You also said that he must have done something to the car. This is most likely not true, and is just you trying to make sense of the situation. I highly doubt that. You would have noticed the problem as soon as your started it to drive it home.
Something went wrong while it was in your possession. It's not fair, it sucks, but it's reality. It's up to the seller if he wants to work something out with you, but he's not really obligated to, and you shouldn't assume that he should be, either.
Also, should you try to pursue this further, as someone else mentioned, you did sign a bill of sale that most likely says "Sold as is". This will hold up in court.
None of that really matters at this point, seeing as you've admitted fault. I just felt like expressing myself.
My advice is to accept the cards you've been dealt, and get ready to get your hands dirty. There's mountains of help and support on these forums, and it will be a great learning experience. Judging by the questions you're asking, you know nothing about these cars to start with. If you approach a (most likely) blown engine by asking "How do I fix it?", start researching now.
Hit up the seller. He won't take the car back, but he might be your new friend in the rotary world, depending on how well he knows these cars.
Or you could dump the car off to one of us for cheap, and try to get some of your money back.
11-09-10, 09:00 PM
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Like i said, this is my first RX7.... Im sorry guys, i just want to fix this problem. I just need everyone's opinions as i said on the topic. I got the car with a really good price and i know i fucked things up. I repect Rx7 so does everyone's advise.
I have an Evo8 and im not a newbie with that car, but with rotaries, i am conpletely a noob. I just try to seek some helps so can you guys try nit to insult me please......
I have an Evo8 and im not a newbie with that car, but with rotaries, i am conpletely a noob. I just try to seek some helps so can you guys try nit to insult me please......
11-09-10, 09:25 PM
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Try to take this in the spirit in which it is offered...
Sometimes the best advice- especially if it's not what you want to hear- sounds like an insult.
Here's all we know of your automotive expertise so far...
You have an Evo8.
You took a nicely running rotary, ignored EVERY warning light/buzzer in the car and roached the motor.
You wanted to shirk responsibility for the damage and make the seller rescind the sale.
You now admit it WAS your fault and want to fix it.
Correct me if I've made any factual errors here...
...no?
Thought not.
Based on the above, my advice would be to find a rotary expert and have him/her evaluate what you have and present estimates based on the findings.
With this info in hand, you can begin to formulate a plan.
It's been previously noted that this forum is a treasure trove of info...it is.
The forum is full of "first build" success stories...very encouraging.
I suspect though that for every "I can't even set my VCR clock but I just rebuilt my rotary!" thread, there are probably more than one failures that never see pixelization here.
Even the most experienced piston engine man would be at a total loss if asked to evaluate the condition of a rotary's housings, rotors and plates...he's never seen anything like it and has no basis on which to start.
The point being, unless you are supremely confident in your abilities, pay someone who knows what hey are doing and enjoy the car.
Sometimes the best advice- especially if it's not what you want to hear- sounds like an insult.
Here's all we know of your automotive expertise so far...
You have an Evo8.
You took a nicely running rotary, ignored EVERY warning light/buzzer in the car and roached the motor.
You wanted to shirk responsibility for the damage and make the seller rescind the sale.
You now admit it WAS your fault and want to fix it.
Correct me if I've made any factual errors here...
...no?
Thought not.
Based on the above, my advice would be to find a rotary expert and have him/her evaluate what you have and present estimates based on the findings.
With this info in hand, you can begin to formulate a plan.
It's been previously noted that this forum is a treasure trove of info...it is.
The forum is full of "first build" success stories...very encouraging.
I suspect though that for every "I can't even set my VCR clock but I just rebuilt my rotary!" thread, there are probably more than one failures that never see pixelization here.
Even the most experienced piston engine man would be at a total loss if asked to evaluate the condition of a rotary's housings, rotors and plates...he's never seen anything like it and has no basis on which to start.
The point being, unless you are supremely confident in your abilities, pay someone who knows what hey are doing and enjoy the car.
11-09-10, 11:22 PM
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I did not say it was HIS FAULT directly because I didn't know the reason. that's why i opened this post. And after you guys being "all up my ***" then I know the reason. So right now, I prolly have to pay someone to fix it up or sell it to someone that can take it as a steal and rebuild it themselves and I will get another one and hopefully wont **** it up again.....