ONly read this if youre bored, like dispute mediation, like to laugh at idiots, etc. SOmebody tell me what they think here...who is in the wrong?

BTW, the thread in its entirety (with other ebay idiot stories) can be viewed here: https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...53#post1296153


Then, I get a real, class A, top of the line, *******/dumbass in re: to a VDI intake set and t2 lower intake manifold. You can view the auction here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...1873768879&rd=1

"Dear Sir,


I have this complete system, but when removing the engine from the car, some idiot broke off the 2 outside "ears" fro the middle intake runners. Would consider selling just the lower part of this system? (the "flat" part).
Can we make a package deal with the other turbo intake that you have for sale?"

I RE: that I will not split up the set, but that I will cut shipping costs in half if he wins both auctions. HE later wins both auctions. I then recieve the following:

"Dear Sir,


Like we discussed before, please please ship the 2 auction items
together to save me shipping cost. Please, ship them COD via US Mail
Parcel Post to :

xxxxxxxxxx

Please, e-mail me to confirm"

That email was recieved at 5pm on saturday afternoon. 35 minutes later, I recieve this email from teh same guy:

"Dear Sir,


I am the winning bidder and have still not received a reply from you on my previous e-mails"

I RE: "OK, let's see here. The item ended late thursday night, therefore you got the standard confirmation and payment information on Friday.

Today(sat.) at 5:25pm I recieve the following email, meanwhile I was outside doing chores...(see above email)

Then, today at 5:56pm I recieve this email...(still outside/downstairs)

Do you expect people to sit around on their weekend by the computer waiting to hear from ebay customers??

Oh, I remember you well from about 3years ago. You're the moron who wanted me to try to ship a turbo II hood via UPS, and when they told me they would not accept it you got pissed at me and gave me a big long lecture about going back on my word. IM glad to have the honor to serve you once again, this time a little smarter and more experienced. I hope in this time you have become a bit more professional as well, as your ebay feedback would indicate.

Now, on to business.

I remember granting you a waive of shipping charges on the turbo intake. I do not remember stating that I would send the items COD, or even shipping COD, or even USPS. IN fact, the auction description of these and all my other auctions it specifies paypal payment only and UPS shipping only. This is because both are quick and painless for me...i recieve payment, I click ship, enter some package information, and I get the shipping prepaid and label printed automatically, meaning I dont have to stand in line, fillout any labels by hand, or go to the stupid local post office which closes at 4pm daily as opposed to UPS' 7pm.

I prefer to keep my arrangement as stated in teh auctions. Thanks for your time."

Buyer replies: "Dear Sir,


I have a 1st gen, I don't even have a 2nd gen, so would not have any use
for a Turbo II hood.
You probably were talking with my old roomate who skipped out on me and
who used to use my name & e-mail without my consent to buy stuff on the
internet for his 2nd gen RX-7, until I caught him. He skipped out on me
years ago, so I hope you don't hold his bad actions against me. I have a
82 RX-7 and I need these parts to convert a 13B 4-port from carb to F.I.


E-mails can get lost, which is why I sent a second e-mail after about 24
hrs of not getting a reply. I did not mean to annoy you with e-mails.
Anyways, I have been burned many times on eBay before and since then
have ALWAYS bought COD with no problems. I have NEVER had a seller
refused COD, due to my excellent feedback record. As a matter of fact, I
recently bought a $1000 Barco HDTV projector COD from eBay with no
problems and I also have 3 other COD packages coming to me as we speak.


US Mail is much more convenient for me, because I can have it sent to my
P.O.Box and don't have to be home to receive it.
But if you only want to ship UPS, you can send it COD to xxxxxxxxx

Please, e-mail with with the exact amount and tracking #, so I will know
which day to expect it and have a Money Order ready for the UPS driver.


Thank you very much for your cooperation".

Now, IM like WTF????


I RE: "HE used the name Donovan Olario, said he sold parts himself, had a large stock of 2gen parts, and was going to trade me a set of blue 2gen seats and a custom steering wheel for my turbo hood. When UPS refused to take it due to size and I told him that I sold it locally instead, he called me up and gave me a long lecture about going back on my word, etc. blah blah. Guy had the usual south florida strong accent. You dont know who Im talking about? Back then, I had a webtv as well. It was hypntyz@webtv.net. Regardless, I remember a lot of stuff. Whether or not it was you, I had a bad experience. Doesnt really matter now, its just something that sticks in the back of your mind...



E-mails can get lost, which is why I sent a second e-mail after about 24
hrs of not getting a reply. I did not mean to annoy you with e-mails.

Ah, its no more annoying than the many emails daily asking the exact questions I answered in the item description. IT should be noted that the first email I got from you arrived Sat. at approx 5pm, and the next sat. at approx 6pm...



Anyways, I have been burned many times on eBay before

Well, so have I, thats why I handle transactions exclusively through paypal now. Since I have been through the extensive verification process, buyers can feel safe. IF I buy from some one else and get screwed, paypal will reimburse me and go after them. ITs almost bulletproof. I have lost money to local banks before, but not a dime yet to paypal.



and since then
have ALWAYS bought COD with no problems. I have NEVER had a seller
refused COD, due to my excellent feedback record. As a matter of fact, I
recently bought a $1000 Barco HDTV projector COD from eBay with no
problems and I also have 3 other COD packages coming to me as we speak.


It's not a matter of feedback, trust, or the like. IT's a matter of following the contract you entered into, just as in any business deal. ITs a matter of the fact that Ill have to wait 3-4 weeks for my COD check to arrive, then Ill have to leave teh shop during the day to go cash it. Since I dont want to deal with this, I just specify paypal payment ONLY. I get my money instantly online, I ship online, I drive up to the UPS dock at 6:30pm and throw out my packages, and I go to walmart that night and spend my money from paypal via my debit card. Screw some banks and post offices.



US Mail is much more convenient for me, because I can have it sent to my
P.O.Box and don't have to be home to receive it.
But if you only want to ship UPS, you can send it COD to :

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Please, e-mail with with the exact amount and tracking #, so I will know
which day to expect it and have a Money Order ready for the UPS driver.

How about this. Just follow the auction terms as stated before you bid: "READ BEFORE BIDDING:
This auction is for paypal bidders only. NO other payment forms will be accepted, and if you cannot pay with paypal you will recieve a negative feedback" or I will have to follow through on that for both auctions. Surely an intellegent person such as yourself can grasp the concept that if you read my description, bid and win my auction, then refuse to comply with my terms which were CLEARLY stated 2-3 times in the auction, IM not gonna be real happy about it. I stated my terms ahead of time repeatedly for a reason. It is not your place to second guess them, but rather since you bid on my auction and thus accepted my terms it is your place to follow them. IM not trying to be unreasonable here, but it's my right as the seller to stick by the terms I stated up front. IF you werent up to those terms, you should have a) emailed me first to see if COD was acceptable to me or b) not bid on my auctions.


Thank you very much for your cooperation.


Thank you for yours. "

Buyer RE: "Dear Sir,


It was using PAYPAL that I got burned.
All a seller has to do is provide a tracking # to PAYPAL to prove that
they shipped a box and they are off the hook. So the seller can ship an
empty box or a box containing a differnt item and there is nothing that
PAYPAL will do, because the are not responsable for "item not as
described".
This is what happend to me TWICE before and that's why I stop paying via
PAYPAL.
By using COD I can be sure I am getting what I paid for and the seller
is also protected because UPS will not hand over the package untill I
give them the payment.
Like I said before, no reputable seller has ever refused to ship COD to
me, because it protects both parties. I always pay with an Western Union
Money Orer that can be cashed anywhere in the world.
Would you like me to send you referances of all sellers I bought COD
from?
Since you agreed to waive 1 shipping charge, what is the total for both
items + the COD fee?."

GOD DAMMIT!! This dumb ****** just doesnt listen!

I RE: "OKay, look, IM about done fooling with this. My auctions are for paypal payment only. It says so 3 times. IT also says if you do not pay with this method you will recieve a negative feedback. Plain and simple. I dont want to argue about it anymore. Either you want to buy what I have according to your **LEGALLY BINDING** bid in which you agreed to pay me via paypal(you did so by bidding), or you want me to leave you a negative feedback as a deadbeat bidder.

IF YOU DIDNT TRUST PAYPAL, WHY DID YOU BID?? IF YOU WANTED TO USE COD, WHY DIDNT YOU ASK FIRST??

IF you go into a convenient store for a pack of cigarettes and the sign says they do not accept personal checks, do you then argue with them about the merits of personal checks vs. cash? Not if you want the cigarettes...Remember, you walked into *their* store and you are wanting to buy *their* parts, so *they* have the right to define how the payment will be made"

Buyer re: "Dear Sir,


I have been very polite to you, but you are starting to get abusive.
This is not how eBay expects sellers to behave.


As my feedback CLEARLY shows, I am NOT a deadbeat bidder, as I am
perfectly willing to pay via COD like I have been doing for years.
As eBay suggest, I am trying very hard to resolve this matter amicably
and if you have the bad faith to prematurely post me negative feedback
while we are working this out, I will be forced to post you negative
feedback too.


Why are you so against COD? It protects both of us. I am paying for it,
so it does cost you anything. UPS does all the work, so it does not take
any extra work for you.
All you do, is tell UPS to collect the COD amount, that's it.


No offence but, the only reason a seller would have to refuse COD is
because they are trying to collect the payment first without shipping
the item or ship a bogus item and PAYPAL does NOT protect against that.


I doing my best to resolve this matter in a friendly matter, so please
have some respect for me and do not make threats against me.


Please, reply."

**** ME RUNNING!! SUNNOVABITCH!!

I RE: "I have been very polite to you, but you are starting to get abusive.
This is not how eBay expects sellers to behave.


Not really. I have simply stood by my rights as a seller. IF I say I dont want to do COD, its my right not to do so. IF I had wanted to accept COD, I wouldnt have written "paypal only, no other forms of payment will be accepted". Why, is that so hard to understand? IT is not up for debate, it is not for you to second guess. It is my choice as teh holder of the items.

Now I know it was you 3 years ago..you were hard to deal with then as well. I knew this would be an excerise in futility.



As my feedback CLEARLY shows, I am NOT a deadbeat bidder, as I am
perfectly willing to pay via COD like I have been doing for years.


That's great, and it's not a matter of that. It's the matter of THIS IS AGAINST WHAT I STATED. IT IS MY AUCTION. I CAN SET THE RULES FOR PAYMENT. How hard is that to understand?



As eBay suggest, I am trying very hard to resolve this matter amicably


There is no matter to resolve. Either abide by the contract or take the consequences. You are in the wrong. You bid on an auction that you had no intention of paying for (as instructed) which is expressly against ebay rules.



and if you have the bad faith to prematurely post me negative feedback
while we are working this out, I will be forced to post you negative
feedback too.


I dont really care. You have nothing to say. What are you going to say? "Seller refused to let me tell HIM what payment I would pay with, regardless of his auction terms, therefore I leave negative feedback." Yeah, ok. You dont know how stupid you sound.



Why are you so against COD? It protects both of us. I am paying for it,
so it does cost you anything. UPS does all the work, so it does not take
any extra work for you.
All you do, is tell UPS to collect the COD amount, that's it.


Do you think I sell stuf on ebay for fun? No. I do it for money. I need money now. IF i wanted to wait a month for my money, I would be on a government check. I want my money NOW, by bidding on MY auction you agreed to give it to me NOW. End of story. You did not ask my permission ahead of time to use COD nor would I have granted it. You think you can come on here and TELL ME how you will pay? Not today by friend...



No offence but, the only reason a seller would have to refuse COD is
because they are trying to collect the payment first without shipping
the item or ship a bogus item and PAYPAL does NOT protect against that.


Whatever. You're in the wrong. Stay out of my auctions from now on if you cant abide by the rules I set forth.



I doing my best to resolve this matter in a friendly matter, so please
have some respect for me and do not make threats against me.


I have made no threats against you.

I wish you would THINK about what youre doing. IT's not too hard to understand. You're being a real moron about it. Just complete the freakin transaction, like everybody else, and go on, and quit whining. Check my feedback.

I have items for sale. I state that if you buy my items, you pay me this way. You agree to buy my items, then refuse to pay me in the way I stated ahead of time. You accuse me of wrongdoing, when **MY** feedback (since you are so prone to checking feedbacks) indicates otherwise. You are basically coming into my business and insulting me. I wish you would either complete the transaction as stated, or leave.

To summarize:

You WILL pay me via paypal or you WILL recieve negative feedbacks, as a buyer unwilling to follow the instructions he agreed to upon bidding. NO DISCUSSION. I am within ebay's rules in stating this. REAS THIS AGAIN:

"READ BEFORE BIDDING:
This auction is for paypal bidders only. NO other payment forms will be accepted, and if you cannot pay with paypal you will recieve a negative feedback

Winning bidder to pay $15 flat rate UPS ground shipping to the lower 48 US. WILL NOT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY.
PAYPAL BIDDERS ONLY. Payment is to be recieved within 3 days of auction end or negative feedback will be left."

What about that is NOT clear??

Pay me or leave me alone. You have 2 days remaining. Ths is within ebay's rules."

BY the time I finish writing this reply and send it, I have not one, not 2, but 3 of the identical following email:

"I am checking to see if you received my previous reply. Please, let me
know."

I RE: "I just recieved it, and I just replied. I also replied to the first and second of these emails you sent me. Thanks for those 2. Now I recieve a third. You're becoming a pest. I have better ways to make 60 bucks..."

AM I IN THE WRONG HERE OR SOMETHING??

 

LOL...

nah you're not in the wrong...

 

I'm really really really sleepy and I didn't read it all but I'll say this.

Kevin is awesome, he is always nice and helpful.


I think it sucks that so many dumb people have been getting to you.

*when I ever get enough spare $$ I'll get some tII parts from you*

 

Update, maybe the buyer read this thread, cause 20 minutes after I post it, paypal comes through for both auctions.

"I followed your rules, I paid via PAYPAL beforeyour deadline and so I
have completed my part of the auction, so please post me the 2 POSITIVE
feedbacks right away"

I RE: "I will do so, thank you for the hard time and the quick payment. However, at this time, I am going to bed. :-) I will ship and leave feedback tomorrow. :-) Good night"

 

I once shipped an empty box to a customer to just prove how assanine (sp?) COD is. He emailed me in a threatening manner saying he was going to sue me and such..... I replied and asked him to call me, he did. I proceeded to ask him how COD protected the buyer in this case. I still got the money in the long run after about 3 weeks. At the end of the phone call, I told him the FedEx tracking number and said that I did this to educate him that COD doesn't do jack for fraud protection. Stupid buyers....

Joe Breese

 

hahaha thats hilarious

 

Kevin, to be honest, if it was me I would have told him to take a flying fu@k long before you got a resolution. It was obvious he knew exactly the terms and conditions, but was either trying to **** you off, or trying to rip you off.
I think that maybe rather than trying to explain and repeat yourself 100 times (and driving yourself crazy), you should make a form letter and just send that each time someone wants to argue. This will save you time, and also diffuse any continuing conversations (which a lot of people like to have, just for the hell of it).

 

email UPDATE:

buyer: "Dear Sir,


You forgot to post me the 2 POSITIVE feedbacks.


Thanks."

my RE: "Nope, didnt forget, havent posted anybody else's yet either. Got too busy actually shipping out packages for high maintenance customers such as yourself. Oh wait, you're the only one...

My god man, relax about the feedback already. Your items will go out today...I ran out of room in the truck yesterday, had about 40 packages."

 

My final RE: to the buyer...

"BTW,

"The RX-7 Club knows about you..."

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...58#post1296858

Have a nice day :-) "

 

give us all his e-mail addy and we'll throw rocks at him........

 

Well, after reading all the various threads Kevin, I really don't know how you can deal with the public day in and day out. We must give you, and other vendors, a lot of credit to put up with the asinine requests day after day. There are some people you will never satisfy. With the amount of parts you have readily available, I'm sure you must be kept quite busy just dealing with parts requests, auction items, repair service, replys on the forum etc. So do what you can for people, and if you feel confident in that regard, that's all that matters. Some people will challenge you no matter what you do for them. Screw 'em.

 

Well posted this the other day but the forum crashed and lost it... Anyway, hypntyz7, I saw several of your auctions the other day. Saw several parts that I could use. Read the auction details, said pay by paypal ONLY. Cool, no biggie, bid, win, sent the paypal same day, got a UPS confirm the same day (maybe next). As long as you don't send me an empty box , I'll be a happy camper!

Bottom line: You're not in the wrong -- your auction states very simply (and multiple times) how you conduct your auction. Most educated folks can read that and participate if they agree and not if they don't.

Take it from someone who has worked in retail for 20+ years -- it's not your fault there are a bunch of idiots out there. The only thing you can do is watch out for yourself, treat the good customers right, and wave bye-bye to the a$$holes...

 

He should be happy now. I posted his feedback, positive ratings with negative comments:

hypntyz(102) Dec-10-02 16:21:21 PST 1873768879 B
Praise : not very cooperative initially, but it all worked out...
hypntyz(102) Dec-10-02 16:21:21 PST 1873768650 B
Praise : very resistant to following my auction terms, but paid w/in 3 days

Who is willing to bet me now that I get negatives in return?

 

you might, just like I might bid on that TII tranny you've got.

 

well at least you didn't get screwed like i did. I sell apple G4's over ebay sometimes. Usually there isn't a porblem with the transaction. However this one guy was late on payment and very impatient. He does pay up though. Anyway, a few days later he emails saying his G4 is a DOA. I was like bull crap, i reloaded the OS and everything before hand so I know it wasn't messing up. Then I started doing some background on the guy and found out hes an IT. More than likely he had a dead G4 and swaped out the dead parts in his computer from mine and then said ours was dead. Next time Ill record the serial numbers so if I get him again Ill be ready

 

Kevin, you have to be careful about COD. UPS only accepts money orders now, not cash, for COD. Here i Atlanta, there has been a rash of fake money orders being spent through UPS on Ebay orders. It's been on the news several times. Basically, you can't trust that a money order is good or that it is not a stolen money order now. I refuse to accept a money order from anyone other than a brick-and-mortar business now.

 

Yeah some people are ******** about that. Anyways hyp, do you know if ups will accept rx7 doors or are they too big? I have 2 spare ones that I dont want / need. Plus they are closed right now... or Id just call them

 

Bah, what are you guys talking about, Landers is just a stuck up over-sensitive asshat! :-D Did you send out my wing yet!? :-D *hides*

 

BY hell, that's the final straw. Im including in your shipment a printed scan of my *** in a 10x13 frame. Im going to write a caption below the picture that says "Thanks for the business, sorry we got a little BEHIND on your oder..."

NOW WHAT...

 

Are you charging him extra for the ***, or is it free?

 

HEY! I didn't get a pic of your *** when I bought stuff from you..

Brad

 

You know how in most shops/parts places/offices etc. there is a printout that says something along the lines of :

"Answers $1, correct answers $2, smartass answers $0.50, dumb looks FREE"?

Well, the modified version has pictures of my *** replacing dumb looks...

 

I must not have been BEHIND then...

 

Wooo, maybe I can sell it on the forum and make some money off it! Sounds like a hot item! :-D

 

What kind of exhaust does he have.